GSL Mini Mafia III - Page 3

On October 23 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, living up to his name like a baws.

On October 23 2012 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I 100% do not want to lynch keir right now. So if that comes up as a thing. Ima shut it down as hard as I can.

On October 23 2012 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:

Is there a reason you want to know? I don't feel like I particularly want or need to share my reasons. Especially at night.

On October 23 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote:

I used the same argument as town in Aperture 2, and I Can't Believe It's Not Themed too, as town. So...how is that relevant? You're making an argument about my "meta" without any fucking clue what my meta actually is. Or hell, what meta even is in general. It's a pattern of things repeated across multiple games. That I even have to explain this to you is so mindboggling that I can't comprehend it, since I've used it to correctly read you and tell you about it in like 4 different games, granted I was wrong in another game.

I actually don't know what you're talking about with Ottoxlol. I named my scumteam in the obs thread on night 1, then checked out because the game was boring and dead.

You're right. Dropping a hammer, in and of itself, is completely a completely null tell. Did I ever say I was voting him for hammering v7? No. I'm going to vote him for the REASONS he hammered v7.

On October 23 2012 05:43 drazak wrote:
About which?

On October 23 2012 22:37 marvellosity wrote:
that IS wifom wifom wifom and is a terrible reason for anything.

On October 24 2012 00:56 austinmcc wrote:
iamperfection,

Apart from the whole "what scumbuddy would allow this" train of thought, what are your thoughts on drazak? Do you still stick with "said some things too odd/dumb to be scum"?

On October 24 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Hey guys, I've been really busy with schoolwork for the last half-day. I do have some stuff to has out, and I'll post more complete thoughts when I get out of class in a couple of hours.

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Regarding Z-Bo/Kei

The "99.9%" thing seems like very misplaced rhetoric. Unless there's something you're withholding from us, Z-Bo's actions so far in no way make him 99.9% scum. I see you posting a lot of "weak reasoning," but so what? Fact of the matter is, there wasn't much reasoning to discuss on the v7 lynch. He was inactive, hadn't been contributing, and therefore some of us found him scummy. I can see how this can be interpreted as scummy, but "99.9%" is farfetched at best.

In fact, what do you make about the rest of Z-Bo's play? It's important to take into consideration more than just his stuff on v7. Is there anything else about his play that suggests scum Z-Bo? The context of his play, in particularly his fearlessness, points to the exact opposite methinks.

But your attitude shift from "I don't wanna make a D1 read" helplessness to "99.9% scum" on Z-Boson is really really weird. I'm not sure if it makes you scummy or not, but it is strange. I'll have to mull this one over.

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Regarding Drazak

I don't know what to make of his in-activity at all. However, I kinda think he's town due to process of elimination (see below)

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Regarding my Scumreads

Iamperfection
Marvellosity

The gist of it is that Marv's posting is really detached from this game, and is something I never see in his town games, but very frequently in his "lazier" scumgames.

Iamperfection also has this golden post here:



...where he basically calls Kei scum outright on Day 1 yet keeps his vote on v7 the entire day. I'm also sure I'm not mis-interpreting his "candle-light vigil" comment since he clarified his scumread on Kei here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&currentpage=31#607

Also, I noticed that he had an "FOS" on me right after the lynch deadline, but has done nothing so far to push his read, despite me not posting in the thread at all in the last ~16 hours or so.

He's also just really really sure about Draz being town, which is odd to me. I know I had a town read on Draz before, but so clearly declaring him town is completely unjustified in light of his complete absence from the thread after early D1.

On October 23 2012 10:01 iamperfection wrote:
people need to stop ignoring my posts when im town it happens every fucking game basically. When i say wait it means wait.

Although i would of pushed v7 even if i had gotten back in time fucker had to go so im not really mad

Any who another post that got ignored that i should have probably pushed harder when i made it was this one




Kerihati used the same fucking argument when he was scum in gsl 1. He Basically he argues this how i always act and thats why he was doing this.

My scum read on Kerihati remains and his stupid argument after the flip even makes less sense since he observed gsl II. People used shit arguments to blame ottoxol for being scum in that game just because he droped a hammer. I think droping a hammer is a null tell and the fact that kerihati blatantly abandoned all logic makes me think he is scum.

On October 24 2012 03:42 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamperfection

You not pushing your case isn't the main issue here (well it IS an issue, but not the main point). The concern I have is that you basically called Kei scum, and simply left your vote on v7 the entire time. What you post after the fact - what you said you should have done in retrospect - has no bearing on what you did.

On October 24 2012 05:23 Keirathi wrote:

These are the kind of posts that are making me suspicious of iamp again. It's just so...not iamp. Town iamp doesn't give a fuck what you think about him. He explains himself when he feels like it, and doesn't care how bad the explanation is. He certainly doesnt apologize, even sarcastically.

On October 24 2012 06:31 Hapahauli wrote:


No, he's capable of doing that as both alignments. He voted early as scum in Aperture 2 Mafia, and votes early as town a lot in his other games. In fact, I find him pointing to his GSL II meta in his defense really odd, since Aperture 2 was his most recent scumgame.



This is a valid point, however, I still think he's scum for additional reasons mentioned in my case (strangely confident Draz town read, un-pushed FOS on me). I also liked the point about how apologetic he is that you brought up. It's very different from townie iamp. His entire defense to me also has been really really passive, which IMO confirms my read on him.

On October 24 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv

Regarding iamp's "candle-light" thing, I initially thought that was the case as well (responding to Kei). However, iamperfection's more recent post (his clarification of that post) suggests my interpretation:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&currentpage=31#607

In it, he very clearly refers to that post as having a scumread on him.

Regarding misrepresenting iamp's suspicions (in particular the vote on v7 vs. Kei's suspicions)
Yah that's totally my bad. However, my other points still stand, namely his random FOS on me, his town read on Draz, and more recently, his uncharacteristically passive defense.

And btw, I find it funny you still haven't commented on iamperfection's alignment at all.

But I'm working on a case on you anyway - it'll take a little while to type.

On October 24 2012 06:43 Hapahauli wrote:
But one thing about Kei's observations about your "defense" is that you generally don't give a shit about explaining yourself or suspicions against you. You just went from passive to screaming "fuck fuck fuck" in the span of five minutes - that's not exactly normal for townie you.

On October 24 2012 09:42 Hapahauli wrote:
marv is claiming scum btw.

On October 24 2012 09:53 drazak wrote:
Wow, that post, I skimmed it before, but reading it again,I'm really starting to believe it, it's pretty comprehensive and those signs are pretty exact. I think if we lynch marv and he's scum, whomever the medic is has to save hapa because that wouldn't be a bus, but if marv isn't scum, maybe lynch hapa the next day?