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So austin, you're saying I made posts like the posts I made when I was town? So you're saying I'm fitting my town meta?
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Austin, you quoted my posts from my games where I say things like "I don't think his vote this" etc, I'm town this game, and saying those things that I said when I was town in those games.
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On October 24 2012 10:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:On October 24 2012 10:28 austinmcc wrote:
There is more to Drazak than that post. I would still like to hear thoughts on the quotes that felt scummy to me. Which post are you talking about? I'd look, but I've been filter diving through marv's meta for hours >> You or someone asked about that a moment ago and I quoted it and stuck it in a spoiler! And by you or someone, I mean...you. You asked. Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 09:44 austinmcc wrote:On October 24 2012 09:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh, and can you refer me to what post in particular you're talking about austin (regarding Drazak)?
And the above post was directed at marv ofc. Specifically the 2 quotes that I pull out, which I find similar to odd defenses/comments that other scum players have made in the past + Show Spoiler +On October 24 2012 04:07 austinmcc wrote:I don't support/like/whatever this "Drazak has been mislynched before for looking scummy, therefore we shouldn't lynch him for looking scummy" argument. We can't fully determine his alignment right now. Based on how this game has played out during a long D1 and now N1, we're not GOING to be able to fully determine his alignment, because he's not posting much at all. He's going to come up every day. He's going to be a mislynch candidate, sure, but best to get him out of the way before LYLO, and he's also a scum candidate. You guys may not have as many town reads as I do, but we're in a very small game. If you've got 2-3 town reads and know you're town, you've seriously narrowed down the options for possible scum. Things are narrow enough in my mind that "doesn't seem townie" + "not many options" + the stuff below = probably scum Drazak. Here's why I'm concerned about Drazak mainly. He was relatively active in the beginning. Since then, he's clammed up significantly. I was hoping he'd start posting more, especially if people weren't jumping all over him, because yeah, it's difficult to get a read on him right now. But the part of his filter that keeps sticking out to me are things like: Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 04:50 drazak wrote:
Not to defend hapa too much, but I know when I've read things, I think different things whehter or not I'm hungry, or if other things are going on in my life, maybe he reconsidered after reading something again. Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:32 drazak wrote:On October 23 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:On October 23 2012 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
Posting from phone dont lynch z-bos wait untll I get home please. So you don't find him scummy then? Do tell. I don't think he doesn't find him scummy, he just doesn't want the hammer while he's afk, might have someone else he finds scummier. those read very scummy to me because of statements in recent games. I can't NOT look at those and see: Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:
I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets.
Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote:
Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol. I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play. Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too: On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote:
what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose? ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else. To me, defending people out of nowhere for odd reasons - Node defending Shady for things he hadn't done, Sinensis saying things like "I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for" stick out. Townies read posts, townies make reads, townies justify their reads with posts. Scum knows alignments, scum sometimes justify reads out of nowhere with...non-post stuff? They're trying to give a read but it's clear that they're not getting it from the same place a town player would be. Drazak's comments feel like that. Hapa made a comment about leaving to eat, and Drazak partially defends him by saying that he thinks differently whether he's hungry or full. It's like...a very odd reason to justify what someone was poking at hapa about. It's not intra-thread, it's this weird external defense. The bit on Z-BosoN is...not as good, that comment isn't as out of place, but again it's like...Drazak explaining something based on stuff that wasn't in thread. Just those two posts are enough to make me scummy on Drazak, enough to lynch because there are so few other options. It's also just very simple. I've had better luck with simple reads (Quick readthrough of GSL Open 2 N1 before dying, quick readthrough of Liquid City D1 after being absent (although LC not as much because I went crazy the next day)) than I have with overly complex ones. So I'm going to go with my gut and say that the simple weird statements and outside-the-game comments make him scum.
Here you quote 2 of my posts from other games that are pretty similar to posts I made in this game, I've been town all 3 games.
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I'm reading the thread DP, but I don't get how his connection makes sense, if I'm scum because of those posts, but they're the same kinds of posts that I make in town games, how am I scum this game? None of that even makes sense, which is why I don't understand. If that's not enough reason to think I'm town, I'm not sure what else I have to do, this is a small game, but I have town reads on Hapa and DP for how agressive hapa has been, and how willing to look at different players and play reactionarily that he's been. I also have a pretty good town read on austin because of how he's been playing, also the fac that nobody was lynched last night. while it may be WIFOM, if I was mafia I'd probably have lynched Austin last night, someone probably saved him (or maybe hapa or DP, but if I were a medic, austin would probably be my #1 save)
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oh, I definitely misread, here, I swear I made similar posts about someone in a recent game I've been in, maybe it was an irc game. deeeerrrr.
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And this is what happens when you mafia tired. Bleh.
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It does? I've never thought about it that way. As someone who's played siginificantly more irl mafia than forum mafia, speculating about NKs is pretty much half of your day logic. Who kills who, who knows who is a good player, etc. That's just how I think still, not sure if anyone else plays much IRL mafia.
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Also I'm sorry, but I could have sworn I made a post like one of those before, maybe it was in irc mafia or something, but that's kind of how I always think about things, why someone would vote, etc, Also, I like to consider the person making posts as a human, I like to think about what else could be going on in their lives, why they might reinterpret something, I do it all the time depending on if I'm tired/hungry/emotional, etc, not sure why it's a scummy think to think about this and to bring it up whens someone is accused of reinterpreting something. We're all human and have human shit going on.
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Austin was being a really good town, which is why I have a strong town read on him, his analysis is strong, he posts a lot, he seems to read significantly better than I am tonight, it's just speculation though. I mean, I pretty much clearly said that it was speculation, that's how I play.
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As long as I'm around, I'm willing to be open and defend myself a ton, the problem is when I'm not here, I don't feel comfortable posting on my phone unless I have to.
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You mean his lack of defense and his scumstall?
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I find Z-bo a little scummy, I'm not sure what he's up to though, he hammered v7 and we didn't agree on the hammer, and people were saying to wait on hammering him until they could get a better read, that bothers me a little. Maybe he just wanted to move the game along, but I'm not sold he had a more solid scum read on v7 than anyone else, but hammered anyway.
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He did say fuck off to you hapa, but yeah, he doesn't seem to be as angry as those other games, not sure if whiny, but certainly not as angry.
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Yeah, not disagreeing with you there at all.
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So I changed your mind DP?
@Austin
I really really don't like the hammer, and I don't find his scum hunting that good, but to be fair, my scum hunting hasn't been that great either, I kind of feel like he's trying, but he hasn't sold me on anything, I think the hammer is something scum might do, and then he's allayed suspicion and isn't being investigated that much today. I really think if marv flips scum he'd be someone to look at as the other part of the team.
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marv bro, where are your reads? you promised them in the morning, and you're not making good.
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yeah man, ad hominem is certainly the answer, I was open with my reads when people asked me, try again please.
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I find it insanely odd how marv calls those cases cherry picked and then can't come up with other cases to his defense, obviously if they're cherry picked it's because there are other cases contrary to them, but I haven't seen any yet.
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On October 25 2012 07:06 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 07:03 drazak wrote:
I find it insanely odd how marv calls those cases cherry picked and then can't come up with other cases to his defense, obviously if they're cherry picked it's because there are other cases contrary to them, but I haven't seen any yet. Still curious about this: in reference to marv. Why was his play neutral to you? Specifically, what posts, what actions, etc.
He had a few reads, but nothing that great, which shows that he was atleast trying to look town, he hasn't pushed any case really really hard like some of the other people who I have stronger town reads on.
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