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On October 21 2012 13:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:28 Keirathi wrote:
I don't really like Draz's explanation either.
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Second, putting pressure isn't scummy either. But, you're not actually putting pressure on him. You just parked a vote there and haven't done anything with it. THAT is scummy. What is the point of your vote right now? Ooooh I like that point. Interested to see what Draz has to say about this.
There obviously is pressure on DP, he's been antsy about the vote ever since. He also thinks to think that it would fit scum motives to leave a vote on him? Haven't figured out how that works yet. You're all discussing things, and a lot of the discussion has its root cause in my vote on DP, so I'd say it's done a job well served.
##unvote DarthPunk
As far as what I said, it was brought up several times that being flip-floppy or wishy-washy is something that new scum does. We're all trying to establish town cred right now, that's all of our goals, if I was to do anything wishy-washy or flip-floppy, would I be helping myself (As town, or mafia)? I don't think I would be, but I did generate a fair amount of conversation.
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On October 21 2012 14:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2012 13:45 drazak wrote:On October 21 2012 13:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 21 2012 13:28 Keirathi wrote:
I don't really like Draz's explanation either.
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Second, putting pressure isn't scummy either. But, you're not actually putting pressure on him. You just parked a vote there and haven't done anything with it. THAT is scummy. What is the point of your vote right now? Ooooh I like that point. Interested to see what Draz has to say about this. There obviously is pressure on DP, he's been antsy about the vote ever since. He also thinks to think that it would fit scum motives to leave a vote on him? Haven't figured out how that works yet. You're all discussing things, and a lot of the discussion has its root cause in my vote on DP, so I'd say it's done a job well served. ##unvote DarthPunkAs far as what I said, it was brought up several times that being flip-floppy or wishy-washy is something that new scum does. We're all trying to establish town cred right now, that's all of our goals, if I was to do anything wishy-washy or flip-floppy, would I be helping myself (As town, or mafia)? I don't think I would be, but I did generate a fair amount of conversation. Who views scum hunting in the terms 'establishing town cred'?!?! Obviously that is your motive. But it isn't mine. I want to find scum, because I am town. You want to 'establish town cred' because you are scum.
just because you said it like "who does XYZ"... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301748
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Sorry sorry, I fell asleep last night watching some burn notice, V7 saying he'd post and then not is pretty serious stalling. I'd like to take a bit more of a look at keir but I think I'm going to part a vote on V7 so that he must reply when he returns, I feel that it's certainly been long enough to be after work for him. it's been 16 hours.
##Vote vaderseven
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I think he's stalling and I'd like to see him post, I wanted to see him post last night when I fell asleep, but it was a little too early.
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I'm not AWOL, with family until 10 or 11pm EST, can only phone post, only caught someone calling me awol. Sorry. I'll be back with more in a few hours.
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Ok, I'm home now, will be reading more closely, feel free to ask my questions, I'll reply every little bit while I read.
and yeah hapa, my irc client is connected 24/7, ask someone else from #tlmafia if you want 
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ok, from recent times I saw giving a better explaination of my read on vader and my scummiest atm.
V7 disappeared for forever, with no activity, explains it away with work, but if he was going to have work issues like this, why did he accept the invite? At first I voted for him just to get him to talk, tbh there was a vote count between when I started writing the post and when I posted it, I thought there were 2 votes on him, not 3, or I probably wouldn't have voted. When he finally came back, he started claiming that you can't make reads D1? What? 50 games of mafia and you can't make or force reads on D1? Not sure I grok here. Want to see what he says when he wakes up but he's not going to be around for awhile.
I feel like keir is probably a little scummy, he over-reacted a bit when accused, which is ok, but then he says I'm being scummy, and then his next post... defends me? Not sure I understood that, while contradicting yourself is scummy, I'm not sure why you'd do it. You're agressively defensive and then cover all of your over reactions by saying you'll flip out over it, what? You should be home by now, not sure why you think threatening to flip out helps defend your over-reactions, not sure why you'd say that.
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On October 22 2012 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:
No no I think we're not understanding each other. Take some time to read the thread, come back tomorrow, and give us better-informed reads. What you're giving us right now is absolutely useless, both for determining your alignment and helping town at all.
On October 22 2012 10:58 vaderseven wrote:
I can do that.
Darth ^
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@Keir
You asked where you attacked me and then defended me, here it is:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16628794
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16629084
You also asked my thought process behind why being so agressive with your defense makes you scum and not townie. If you were frustrated townie you wouldn't have to blanket cover all of your over reactions, scum has to cover everything they do, not just some of it. A frustrated townie starts getting agressive with their scum hunting instead of just saying they're going to yell at you, I mean, wtf does yelling at someone even do?
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Not to defend hapa too much, but I know when I've read things, I think different things whehter or not I'm hungry, or if other things are going on in my life, maybe he reconsidered after reading something again.
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On October 23 2012 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 05:27 iamperfection wrote:
Posting from phone dont lynch z-bos wait untll I get home please. So you don't find him scummy then? Do tell.
I don't think he doesn't find him scummy, he just doesn't want the hammer while he's afk, might have someone else he finds scummier.
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Ok, I'm here, going to be posting a bunch tonight, I had students to tutor that told me monday they had a test wednesday, and as my laptop isn't working (see earlier post) I couldn't really post for bed, and I was too tired to sit up at my pc after class and tutoring and any work things I've dealt with lately.
So scum didn't get a kill last night, correct? That means we have to have a medic yeah? That means we have either a Boxer or a parity cop. I saw there were some accusations against me because of how I've beem posting, and my lack of posting, my bad, I was even in a hurry this morning because I slept in. Just caught up on the thread so some things might be obvious, ask me questions while I figure out who to ask questions and what about.
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Wow, that post, I skimmed it before, but reading it again,I'm really starting to believe it, it's pretty comprehensive and those signs are pretty exact. I think if we lynch marv and he's scum, whomever the medic is has to save hapa because that wouldn't be a bus, but if marv isn't scum, maybe lynch hapa the next day?
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To me, your play is pretty neutral, but based on the meta evidence? I think you're scum. I have no problem voting youbased on the meta evidence.
##vote marvellosity
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Can you provide me with evidence to the contrary then? Town games in your last 10 or so games where you play like you have this game?
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Hey DP, did you actually read all of Hapa's post? Did you follow the links? Cause if you do you'll find out what I'm talking about here, If there are games to the contrary that marv can show regarding his meta, I'd love to see them, and happily unvote. AFAIK from what hapa has told me about his own play when coaching me, and what he did this game, he's doing what he does as town (or what he does every game, which is null)
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I mean, if we're wrong, and hapa's read is wrong, then shit, mislynch, hope doc makes a good save, hope parity cop is alive or boxer knows when to claim, and then go after hapa as long as there's no good evidence to his defense. Marv hasn't adequately defended himself by anyone's means as far as I'm concerned, why are you so defensive of him DP?
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DP bro, sorry that I had a life and that it snuck up on me, wish I didn't have to be afk for as long as I did, but with my laptop giving me issues I have to be at my desktop to post, I read a little bit of the thread on my phone but I had to reread it to make sure I had it when I was on my pc. while you may classify voting for marv as "sheeping" look at his filter, he's got no good defense to hapa's accusation, he says that hapa is cherry picking cases, but if he is then there should be ample evidence to the contrary regarding his meta.
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