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On October 22 2012 06:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 05:50 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not exactly sure. A couple of posts later in his filter he explains he was just calling out bullshit and didn't read anything alignment-y from it. But then if that's the case, then the contributions were just pointless and not really contributions.
I think Kei is playing pretty scummily - but what gives me pause is in his recent post, he just told town he doesn't really have any reads. Given he's under some pressure, it makes little sense for a scum Kei to do that. But then I find myself going around in stupid little wifom circles. What do you think?
What do you mean they were pointless? I wanted him to explain his rationale. I didn't make a snap judgement, so that's scummy? To what end? He explained and you ended up getting... nothing from it basically? And there's so god-damn little else in your filter to hang my hat on.
I said exactly what I got from it. Which, while it amounted to a null read, there were at least parts that felt scummy or townie. Pardon me for not getting a strong read off of something that was relatively minor.
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On October 22 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:28 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 05:13 austinmcc wrote:Keirathi then pops in to comment on v7's post: On October 20 2012 12:19 Keirathi wrote:
I completely agree with vader here.
I mean, DP, what if Draz is a blue. What do you expect him to say? Of course he's not going to claim a blue role (I hope), a few hours into day 1. So, he claims Progamer. Then he gets close to lynch, and says "Okay, I'm actually Nestea. Don't lynch me!". What are you going to do, lynch him because he lied and said he was progamer 3 hours into the game?
I call bullshit. You know that everyone is going to claim progamer just the same as everyone is going to claim green.
There were many acceptable replies iamp's accusation. Yours was not one of them. He's much more forceful in what he's saying. "I call bullshit" "There were many acceptable replies...yours was not one of them." Actually keirathi's response is also interesting to me. iamperfection votes DP, for reasons keirathi seems to agree with. Keirathi calls DP's response bullshit and unacceptable, and...that's it. There's no vote, no FOS, no further comment. "You have given a bullshit/unacceptable response to a vote...carry on." Kind of odd to me. Kei doesn't comment any further. Doesn't follow-up on this. I guess I can respond to this since I'm around for a bit before I have to go sit with my grandpa again. I'm not going to vote for something that I'm not pretty convinced of. His answer to the questioning going on in thread was way more important than what he actually said that I called bullshit on. Also, FOS is a stupid term that I have never nor will ever use. Calling a post bullshit and making a pressure "case" is as close as you'll ever get to seeing an FOS from me. And, about not following up: it was friday night. I went out for the night. Fucking sue me. ( And yes, marv, I am being aggressively defensive. If people really want to lynch me for that then I'm going to flip the fuck out.) Would you, ya know, fancy doing something else than that? Shouting at people and going "I'm gonna flip out if you lynch me even though all I'm doing is shouting at you" is, well. I think you get it.
No thanks.
I'll do something when I feel like I have something worth doing.
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EBWOP: Until then, I'll prod things that I want clarification on, and read filters.
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What? I didn't vote v7. I said i wasn't comfortable voting him at this point because he did the exact same thing in GSL 1.
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Anyways:
Slightly town on DP. Kind of town on iamp.
Still slightly scummy on Draz, but not enough that I would vote him at this point without more content.
No one else has really stuck out in the limited amount of time I've actually been able to read and research people. I'm not going to just make up reads that I don't believe in, so meh.
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On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi.
Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me.
Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh.
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On October 22 2012 07:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 06:42 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways:
Slightly town on DP. Kind of town on iamp.
Still slightly scummy on Draz, but not enough that I would vote him at this point without more content.
No one else has really stuck out in the limited amount of time I've actually been able to read and research people. I'm not going to just make up reads that I don't believe in, so meh. DP has 5 pages of filter already and you consider him only slightly town?
What the hell does the length of his filter have to do with whether he is town or not? It doesn't, in general. Unless you're making a meta read?
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On October 22 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh. You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on. If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear.
Why is it okay for you to take a hard stance whenever you feel like it, but not me?
That's basically the exact same thing I've been saying. I just haven't been plopping every single one of my thoughts in the thread because I'm busy.
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On October 22 2012 08:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 07:56 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh. You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on. If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear. Why is it okay for you to take a hard stance whenever you feel like it, but not me? That's basically the exact same thing I've been saying. I just haven't been plopping every single one of my thoughts in the thread because I'm busy. Because I actually have fleshed out thoughts on several of the players in the game? Hapa - I'm wary of meta in Kei's case is because I know how aware of it he is. The little fucker correctly metaing kush as town on how I hard-defended him in Liquid.
How was my ability to meta read you in any way related to the case against me being scum? :o
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On October 22 2012 08:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:03 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 08:00 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 07:56 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 07:48 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
austin, I'd like to hear what you (and anyone else) has to say about Kei before I get my voting shoes on.
In a 9 player game, having 1 player who basically refuses to give us anything to hold him accountable to (i.e. reads) it's a fucking liability.
Actually I'd really like to hear what drazak has to say about Keirathi. Do you actually think I'm scum? You've been wavering back and forth all day without really taking a hard stance on me. Feels like you're trying to set yourself up to not look bad for my mislynch, tbh. You should know I take full responsibility for any lynch I'm voting on. If I were confident you were scum I'd have my vote on you now. I'll take a hard stance when I feel a hard stance. I'm canvassing opinion because I'm unsure on my read. If I had to yes/no now? Then yes, dear. Why is it okay for you to take a hard stance whenever you feel like it, but not me? That's basically the exact same thing I've been saying. I just haven't been plopping every single one of my thoughts in the thread because I'm busy. Because I actually have fleshed out thoughts on several of the players in the game? Hapa - I'm wary of meta in Kei's case is because I know how aware of it he is. The little fucker correctly metaing kush as town on how I hard-defended him in Liquid. How was my ability to meta read you in any way related to the case against me being scum? :o eh, I meant that in general you have a strong grasp of meta and its uses.
Meh. I mean, I guess I understand what you're saying.
But, that was an extreme case in which you already flipped so I knew your alignment. It's pretty rare that I actually make meta arguments because it takes too goddamn much work. One game worth of meta is completely irrelevant, and its all about patterns in play. Which is why I was able to make that call about you. There are certain things that you always do (or at least did!) as scum. The key is I could only make that read in hindsight, because you play the same way as town or scum.
The only person I would feel in any way comfortable making any kind of meta read on while still alive in this game is iamperfection, and thats only because he has a very, very distinctly different posting style as town vs scum. At least until he figures out how to trick me 
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On October 22 2012 07:59 austinmcc wrote:
I'd like to hear what he thinks about DeePgate overall, not about DP himself but about the rest of us who interacted with him. And hopefully there's enough recent action that he can comment on someone.
I'll flesh out my thoughts a bit in a few hours. I have to take off for 3-4 hours right now though to go stay with my grandpa. I'll have my phone, but posting much from it is a pain in the ass. I will reread through the game again though while I'm gone.
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On October 22 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:10 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
I know Kei's a smart guy and all, but you're suggesting he planned this out from Day 1? The self-aware meta thing doesn't make sense here. If you disagree with my rationale before (general attitude toward suspicion), then that's cool, but self-awareness isn't a valid reason here.
Naw, not planned out, but the thing that made me think about it was the first post where he was like "meh, I don't have reads". Anyways, not really willing to give a time to hammer on vader. We'll do it when it's time to do it.
It's not like saying "I don't have reads" is unprecedented for me, as town. You just have to decide if this time I'm saying it as scum instead.
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On October 22 2012 08:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:22 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 08:10 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Marv
I know Kei's a smart guy and all, but you're suggesting he planned this out from Day 1? The self-aware meta thing doesn't make sense here. If you disagree with my rationale before (general attitude toward suspicion), then that's cool, but self-awareness isn't a valid reason here.
Naw, not planned out, but the thing that made me think about it was the first post where he was like "meh, I don't have reads". Anyways, not really willing to give a time to hammer on vader. We'll do it when it's time to do it. It's not like saying "I don't have reads" is unprecedented for me, as town. You just have to decide if this time I'm saying it as scum instead. Yes, I know dear. Can you see why I might be having difficulty? ^^
I guess. I just think you're making a big deal out of my "knowledge" of meta for no real reason (well, obviously I think that, because I already know that I am town). Anyways, carry on.
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On October 22 2012 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 08:35 marvellosity wrote:On October 22 2012 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:On October 22 2012 08:26 drazak wrote:
I'm not AWOL, with family until 10 or 11pm EST, can only phone post, only caught someone calling me awol. Sorry. I'll be back with more in a few hours. Sooo you were content not posting until someone called you awol? meh, i'll wait. if he's actually away and checking on his phone i can understand that as a reaction. phone posting is a bitch. Not sure if I'm allowed to use out-of-thread evidence, but he's on #tlmafia IRC ya know.
I'm on #tlmafia irc too! Does that mean I am therefor not posting from my phone?
Don't be ridiculous.
(Note: I am not familiar with draz's irc habits. Maybe he turn irc off anytime that he leaves the computer. I, however, do not. So your base accusation is flawed.)
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Yes, there are. That's not what I meant though. Unless you mean draz is currently talking on irc, which is different from just being ON irc. My computer has irc on even though I'm not at my house right now.
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On October 22 2012 09:19 iamperfection wrote:
I was under the impression from my first newbie game that Keriathi was a very good player so his statements about not having any reads bug the fuck out of me. I don't get why he doesn't want to throw shit out there even if he dosen't feel particularly strong about it. Maybe its cause i have the opposite approach usually saying whatever i think but i hold him to higher standard then i do draz so his stupid shit dosent fly with me so ill say scum.
Austin and Z-bo have been sharing a lot so i would say town for now.
and even though you didn't ask I'm null on you. i'll never trust you after are first meeting.
You remember that I replaced into that game and had 2.5 days worth of information already, right?
Such a completely different scenario :o
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On October 22 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 09:21 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 09:19 iamperfection wrote:
I was under the impression from my first newbie game that Keriathi was a very good player so his statements about not having any reads bug the fuck out of me. I don't get why he doesn't want to throw shit out there even if he dosen't feel particularly strong about it. Maybe its cause i have the opposite approach usually saying whatever i think but i hold him to higher standard then i do draz so his stupid shit dosent fly with me so ill say scum.
Austin and Z-bo have been sharing a lot so i would say town for now.
and even though you didn't ask I'm null on you. i'll never trust you after are first meeting. You remember that I replaced into that game and had 2.5 days worth of information already, right? Such a completely different scenario :o i was trying to give you a compliment sort of
A complement by calling me scum? LOL
Anyways, I always find it extremely hard to get a solid grasp on anyone in day 1. And I've almost gotten lynched for it like 3 times. I mean, I know it's my fault, bu it just gets extremely tiring. But I'm not going to force reads that I don't believe in either. I tried that before and got called out too. I would rather be indecisive than pretend to be decisive and be wrong.
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On October 22 2012 09:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 09:30 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:On October 22 2012 09:21 Keirathi wrote:On October 22 2012 09:19 iamperfection wrote:
I was under the impression from my first newbie game that Keriathi was a very good player so his statements about not having any reads bug the fuck out of me. I don't get why he doesn't want to throw shit out there even if he dosen't feel particularly strong about it. Maybe its cause i have the opposite approach usually saying whatever i think but i hold him to higher standard then i do draz so his stupid shit dosent fly with me so ill say scum.
Austin and Z-bo have been sharing a lot so i would say town for now.
and even though you didn't ask I'm null on you. i'll never trust you after are first meeting. You remember that I replaced into that game and had 2.5 days worth of information already, right? Such a completely different scenario :o i was trying to give you a compliment sort of A complement by calling me scum? LOL Anyways, I always find it extremely hard to get a solid grasp on anyone in day 1. And I've almost gotten lynched for it like 3 times. I mean, I know it's my fault, bu it just gets extremely tiring. But I'm not going to force reads that I don't believe in either. I tried that before and got called out too. I would rather be indecisive than pretend to be decisive and be wrong. How would you feel if town lynched vader? Would you think it a good lynch? A bad lynch?
I already gave my opinion on that. V7 pulled this exact same shit as doc in GSL 1. I can't really fault anyone for voting him because i understand the arguments, but he literally has nothing that I feel warrants a lynch until he posts more and responds to the accusations.
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On October 22 2012 11:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 11:11 vaderseven wrote:On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote:
I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy
You now move from my scum category to super scum category.
come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all.
You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum? yes i think refusal to give reads on players is bullshit and its scum behavior. Same goes for you Keirathi.
It's super fucking easy to say "that's scum behavior!" But is it? What would you say if you lynched me and I flip town? "Oh, he was playing scummy. He deserved it!"?
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On October 22 2012 11:36 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Kei
Please comment on things other than just defending yourself. That would be much more helpful.
It's much easier to defend myself from the current goings on than it is to go through the thread and comment on specific things while I'm using my phone to read and post. And I'll defend myself as much as I feel necessary.
Plus, I wasn't even defending myself in that last post. I was questioning iamp's thought process and trying to feel out if he's being genuine or not.
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