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I'm going to bed right now (for real this time^^). I'll sleep for few hours then come back...
@ sylver
Could you please answer my previous questions ?
On October 26 2012 23:48 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 23:33 sylverfyre wrote:
Day one but you want someone, who is ostensibly town, to have a better reason than "well his post seems kinda fishy" for an FOS? @sylverAre you saying that Alsn is ostensibly town ? /snip.
On October 26 2012 23:14 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 23:05 sylverfyre wrote:
Early on, Djo, I felt a contradiction from you based on a combination of you criticizing the lurker policy + calling out a lurker. More recently, you've switched gears a lot and been unsatisfied in defenses mounted against your case.
Finally just now claiming "not needing to consolidate" is fishy to me too. If we don't consolidate, we're going to have someone get lynched with like 3 votes, reducing scum's need to assist in the lynchwagon as well as improving scum ability to make sure one of their own cannot be lynched - so we're less likely to find scum today, but equally importantly, we would have less information later in the game (and could cause town to go rabid on itself) We want to consolidate.
I dunno if mods have more replacements lined up, I sure hope so. Having 3 playerdrops happen on day 1 is really depressing to me. Why should scum assist the "lynchwagon" (it is bandwagon by the way) ? If we are going to lynch a scum today, don't you think that they are going to try to go against the bandwagon ?
@Rad
I cannot fully address your concern about "a townie should always be able to change his mind provided that the arguments presented are good enough".
Firstly, this statement is false. Stupid townie or stubborn townie are sometimes not going to change their minds.
Secondly, you have extrapolated a particular case to draw conclusions in a more general point of view. I think it's better to find the real motivation behind specific moves than to consider the big picture. But you are free to use the scumhunting style that fits you the best.
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On October 27 2012 02:55 da0ud wrote:
I think at the pace Djo is posting it should be easy to get a valid scum read on him at some point in the near future if he is actually scum.
He is still quite newbie-ish and trying to change his meta. He felt uncomfortable last game when targeted as mafia and I would expect him to feel the same pressure this game again. I think he is open and provocative when someone attacks him or when he attacks someone.
One thing djo. Why are you changing your mind on Ini? I think voting and unvoting and voting again creates too much unnecessary noise. If u were not going to keep your vote you could have voted later.
@daoud
I've read Ini's reaction to my case again and again and I feel like he is being sincere and honest while posting. I should vote him if he was being only rational because he looks so damn scummy but I have doubts. I need some sleep before taking my decision.
I'll go with my guts feeling...
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@sylver
You are not even voting me right now...
Your vote is still on Roco. Did you forget that you were supposed to lynch me in the case he gets modkilled ?
Are you also admitting that you are sheeping onto Rad and debears cases ?
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@sylver
Yeah, I know, I'm pressuring you. No hard feelings 
Could you please answer my previous questions ?
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@Kush
I'm really curious about your thoughts on my case against Inig and debears case about Inig.
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I've just finished to catch up the thread...
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I'm not really comfortable with any of the lynches...
I'll say Ini right now because of the emotional part. He has been saying
On October 26 2012 16:17 Inigmaticalism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 12:22 Djodref wrote:
Why we should lynch Inig
First of all, I would like you to read Inig's filter before you read this case. It's not going to take you long time and you should also make your own opinion by yourself. I would like to lynch Inig for the following reasons
- Total lack of scumhunting
- Emotionally detached from this game
- Attempt to gain town cred by using a WIFOM argument
Total lack of scumhunting+ Show Spoiler +Even if he is claiming that he has done some scumhunting, Inig has not given us any scumread and has asked a total of two questions to other players. He is not putting pressure or anyone or trying to understand the motives of anyone. On October 25 2012 15:39 Inigmaticalism wrote:
Ah yes i see, the 'why' is more important than the 'what'. Excellent, Sylver answer Djo when u wake up. On October 26 2012 08:34 Inigmaticalism wrote:
Right now I dont have any scum reads, only town reads which Ive already said in earlier posts. So I would lynch one of the lurkers probably. Also, Djo you seem to be the only one really going after me, so while your asking everyone what they think of me, you should answer your own question. what you you think of me?
-Should be back to post something in around 6-7 hours. As you can see, he is not really committing, even when he asks some questions. When I'm reading Inig's filter, I have the feeling that he is spectating this game and not a part of it. This is a characteristic of mafia players. He tries to look active by telling us what is going on in the thread in his view but he is not giving us extra information. This post is a perfect example of such an empty posing style. On October 25 2012 15:27 Inigmaticalism wrote:I have a thought regarding the Rad-Debears argument, over the whole 'confidence' thing. Its possible Im wrong, but it seems that Rad views the world in a more 'logical' way, meaning that in this case (playing mafia) having sound logic and scum reads will naturally result in confidence from said logic. Debears may happen to be more 'emotional', in this case where having a strong will/confidence allows for people like him (and me) to be very logical when there is a strong emotional base beneath them. You've both brought up the pros and cons about each type of viewpoint, so it should be beneficial if you guys watch out for each other. It seems you've both explained what you meant fairly well, and Im especially glad to see this post from you Rad cause I was getting slightly worried. Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 14:11 Rad wrote:
EBWOP - I also agree that there's no point in lynching a lurker over a clear scum read. That's not what I said originally but is what he's trying to make it seem like I said. Ha just saw you summed up my analysis for me: Show nested quote +You're pushing for "have confidence, the scum will show" while I'm pushing for "find the scum, if you're confident push it, otherwise we should lynch lurker". That stance seems completely reasonable to me. Does it not to you? @ sylver You seem fairly energetic. Also, don't really think "What's your favorite role to play in mafia?" keeps us all that focused on scum hunting, but as it may be some clever scheme of yours Ill bite. ......Well actually I won't because I realized I was typing how I play the game. How clever. Loaded question indeed. This is the most incriminating point in my opinion. Please have a careful look at the following part from Ini in bold font. On October 26 2012 03:42 Inigmaticalism wrote:
/snip
As for everyone else I need to read their posts again. It seems my scum-hunting has so far resulted in town-finding, but thats how its gone. Also, I deliberately dodged sylvers question about what your favorite role is to play to show I was town(which, ironically because he was role hunting, still answered his question). I would never have posted such an awkward response if I was mafia, I would have simply ignored the question all together, but it seems no one took it that way. How can you show that you are town by not answering question ? Why does he bring something like this up ? Mafia players usually try to get as much town cred as they can, for whatever weird reason. I think he knows his reason to claim town are bad and that's why he is backing it up by a WIFOM argument. Alright here we go. 1. I deny nothing about not scum hunting. I have only had time to read the thread, and have found town looking players: debears, rad, djo(tho im not sure anymore, more on that later). As I said, I will have time in a few days to do proper scum hunting. If you feel that is not a risk worth taking, so be it. Ill give my scum hunting/reading in my next post. -And, if your going to pull out reasons to lynch me based not on what I have done, but what I havent done, then perhaps you should also look at Oats and Imcasey who havent scumhunted OR contributed (or at least tried) Or posted at all. 2. Ha I am anything BUT emotionally detached from this game. In fact, Ive been getting so emotional I dont think I can or should play mafia games and just go back to watching/reading them. All the logical things I want to say and rules I want to follow fly out the window, and its dumb. /snip
I actually almost rage-quit and threw out on-purpose made-up scumslips and such, so I just got to working on homework and stepped away. Im not sure why you said im emotionally detached./snip
and now "I don't mind to be lynched"
it doesn't add up...
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@ Cheese
What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ?
Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it !
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On October 27 2012 05:30 Inigmaticalism wrote:
just read thread, popping in before I have my exam, and wont be back until its over, so like 2-3 hours right before lynch. I have no time now to defend myself from the cases against me, but plan to do so when I come back. Will probably be too late but thats how it is. I dont mind if I am lynched. It is bad for town cause Im town, but a lesser evil since Im no special role.
##unvote
I voted imcasey over oats(now kush) by pure chance. I picked one name because I only have 1 vote. It appears it was utterly useless, and now has weakened me. The reason I didnt straight out vote Dan is because 1 or more people voting right before deadline out of nowhere scares me, but presuring didnt work the way I did it. So now of course Ill
##Vote: Dandel Ion
Like I said I have no time to refute his case on me. I thought it was interesting how he reappeared right after I called him out, and then da0ud came out right after, but im not going to go off of times based on my own history. I also thought da0uds reasons to vote me were sad. If anyone can get any good scum-tell from him besides what was already said I would change and vote for him. See you in a few hours.
*And for goodness sake, if Djo is scum hes put himself in an extremely risky situation, but is also being super pro about it. I want to keep him alive and see what he can do with his energy for defending himself put to the use of more scum-hunting.
*and no more FOS this close to deadline. straight up vote.
@Kush
He says it here...
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@ Cheese
Sorry, I forgot about you IRL situation...
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@debears
No, I'm not comfortable with any of the lynches to be honest. I'm looking at their filter over and over again and try to find some little clues...
Regarding Inig, I should vote him if I was only a rational machine (no scumhunting at the beginning, wishy washy on Cheese, voting imcasey unexpectedly, the slip you have found, etc...) but I feel him as sincere in his posts.
Not sure why he claimed though.
Regarding daoud, I have no reasons to vote for him at the exception of his hasty vote.
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On October 27 2012 08:16 Rad wrote:
I've now read through inig's filter and debear's case on inig.
I get a super confused feel from inig, but not a scummy feel. I feel like he just doesn't know how he's supposed to act and he's very open about it. He lays out his thoughts for everyone to read. I feel like we should do the same with him as we're doing with djo, give him a chance to talk more and he should slip if he's scum.
da0ud seems much less likely to slip if he's scum. He's more concise and not emotional.
Furthermore, so far in this game da0ud is only active at times opposite now (no idea about his other games). I don't see any posts in his filter around this time (7am HK). Is it likely he won't be around to discuss lynches? I feel that might be an important consideration here as inig would be around for lynches in the future (or so he claims).
@Rad
lol
If we lynch daoud for these reasons, it would be the weakest reasons ever given to justify a lynch...
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Seriously if Roco or imcasey are coming, we should just lynch them
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On October 27 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 08:30 Djodref wrote:
Seriously if Roco or imcasey are coming, we should just lynch them Shouldn't we let them get modkilled if they do nothing at this point? If they show up to vote, what do you think we should do?
@Rad
Sorry, I was not clear. I was talking about the case where they come in this thread and drop a vote. Otherwise, we'll see how the host manages them.
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@ Ini
What do you think of Cheese right now ?
Why did you claim ?
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@Inig
Why are you so calm about the idea of being lynched ?
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I'll vote you or not depending on your answers.
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ok, I'm really doubting my previous case against you. And you are actually trying to participate.
I don't want to lynch you today.
Problem is I don't want to lynch daoud neither.
What should I do ?
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## Vote daoud
Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far...
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I don't know how daoud came up with this 90% gauge on me. Maybe because of my posting style.
If you check my filter last game where I was mafia last game and my filter in this game,I bet that they really look different.
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