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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 12:40 GMT
#895
What Alsn said.
I don't know which one is the scum kill.
It's more likely it's Sylver, that I admit. But in no way, shape or form is it IMPOSSIBLE that Kush was the scum kp.
If I wanted to speculate up reasons for it, I could come up with some. But it would be pretty useless specuation, and most importantly, fluffing up the thread.

You unwillingness to even aknowledge the possibility that kush was scum-killed, reads to me like you have relevant information on the subject.
That's why I think you were involved in one of the kills. If you're SK, you most likely killed Kush, if you're scum, I could see a reason for you to kill either.

You're right that this lynch is pretty fucking important. That's why I don't want to waste time twiddling my thumbs like you all seem to prefer. We're already full of lurkers that probably don't read the thread more than once per day. So what rationale do you have for NOT pushing your reads early?
If you wait until right before the flip, it won't do shit, because 3/4ths of the game won't even be there.

Ergo, I think I'm pretty damn justified in pushing my read early.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 12:45 GMT
#898
SK is also more likely in my mind because nobody really defends you, except really soft defenses. You look more "alone" than a scum would, in my opinion.

That, or your scumbuddies are lurking, which would also explain it.


Oh, and I also played a game as scum against Kush, and we didn't feel like we had to kill him, even though he was the claimed JK. We killed Alsn the VT instead (who played approx. 300 times better in that game, btw). So I understand all about scum not killing Kush. The thing is, I can't rely on scum reaching the same conclusion that I would.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 12:59 GMT
#901
On October 28 2012 21:50 Djodref wrote:
Seriously if we could have lynched someone during N1, Kush would have be lynched.
Mafia wants to keep that kind of players in the game. 1% chance of him being killed by the mafia.
I don't understand why you cannot see it.

On October 28 2012 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't know which one is the scum kill.
It's more likely it's Sylver, that I admit. But in no way, shape or form is it IMPOSSIBLE that Kush was the scum kp.

Where exactly do I "not see it"? Or do you mean that I should be completely convinced, like you are?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 13:06 GMT
#902
@everyone:
Please be so kind as to share your current scumreads. Or even thoughts. Or anything at all, really. Even what you had for lunch is more interesting than NOTHING AT ALL.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:06 GMT
#908
I said I'd tunnel Kush because I find it very hard to get a proper feel-read on him. I hope at this point, I've referenced NMM XXVII enough times, and this too, is a leftover from that game.

I basically assumed he was town in that game because his actions would have been absolutely stupid as scum. Lo and behold, he actually was scum.

I don't understand how his brain works, so I basically decided I wouldn't give him any benefit of the doubt, concerning anything.
But he comes in, plays scummy, and doesn't respond to any of the cases/concerns on him (expect saying they are "bad", nothing else given).
Can you honestly tell me you didn't find Kush scummy too? Cause I don't think you can.

I did not "only" suspect Djo at all. Yes, I tunneled Kush.

I didn't switch to daoud, because, while the post that got him lynched was a huge "wtf" moment, I did not find him more scummy than Inig. Yea, the cases on Inig weren't too strong, but the reasons some people had for voting daoud were even worse.

I'll openly disagree with your whole post. From your useless WIFOM you just included so that your post looks bigger/like it had actual content, to the way you excuse everyone that voted daoud (who did you vote for again?), the way you bring up things we've been over already...

You used to be decent at mafia, but somehow you got terrible. I think you're not using the Newbie games right, usually you'd try to get better.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:08 GMT
#909
On October 28 2012 23:02 Djodref wrote:
@ Alsn

Thank you I was feeling very very lonely...

I need to check dandel's filter right now. But I would like to add that his vote on me for being SK or scum makes suddenly more sense.
If he is mafia, he knows that I'm not mafia, hence him accusing me of being the SK much more easily than a town would be. I didn't understand how he came to this supported by thrawn's meta.

That was not even thrawn's own meta, he was heavily coached that game.
I'd assume you coach will have told you the same thing thrawn heard.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:20 GMT
#912
I did respond to your post, but you seem to only see what you want to.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:24 GMT
#916
On October 28 2012 23:21 Alsn wrote:
Oh and no, I don't buy your supposed reasons for tunnelling kush. He presented a case on da0ud that made sense. He did so with what we now know to be pure intentions. Simply tunnelling him because you don't want to find out his intentions the proper way is bad strategy at best and at worst it's scum motivated.

Uhm, no?
I have a scum feel from somebody, I'll tunnel him for as long as it takes for him to look town to me, instead.
Kush didn't give me any reason to assume he was town, so I had to keep assuming he was scum.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:25 GMT
#917
If his case made sense or not wasn't even the point that made me think he was scum, you're making up things now.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:30 GMT
#921
On October 28 2012 23:28 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 23:25 Dandel Ion wrote:
If his case made sense or not wasn't even the point that made me think he was scum, you're making up things now.
His case making sense means at the very least the actions involving his case should make him read town which is very relevant indeed. Please bring up examples of where he was "scummy" before your first announcement that you would tunnel him because I sure can't find any.

Maybe that's because he didn't POST before I said that? I said that because it's Kush, not because of posts.
Which you could've found out if you were capable of counting. Or reading.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:32 GMT
#923
Also note that I didn't tunnel him for some hours, because initially, I wasn't sure if I should. His case on daoud looked logical at least, and I wanted to wait for the flip. Cause if daoud had flipped town, Kush would've been basically confirmed town, and I didn't know how daoud was going to flip.

It would be silly to assume it was a mislynch before daoud even flipped.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:33 GMT
#925
On October 28 2012 23:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also note that I didn't tunnel him for some hours, because initially, I wasn't sure if I should. His case on daoud looked logical at least, and I wanted to wait for the flip. Cause if daoud had flipped town, Kush would've been basically confirmed town, and I didn't know how daoud was going to flip.

It would be silly to assume it was a mislynch before daoud even flipped.

EBWOP: if daoud had flipped SCUM, I mean
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:35 GMT
#927
[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:33 Alsn wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:28 Alsn wrote:
Maybe that's because he didn't POST before I said that? I said that because it's Kush, not because of posts.
Which you could've found out if you were capable of counting. Or reading.[/QUOTE]Truth be told, I didn't actually look it up because I was already sure that I'd be right. So basically, you said you would tunnel kush before you had any idea what his alignment was.

Except I propose you did know, and you were counting on lynching him D2.[/QUOTE]
I propose you don't know shit, actually.

Yes, I was going to push for his lynch d2. Because I thought he was scum. Makes sense, right?
You must be a genius to figure that out.

Yes, I gave him a harder time than other people. Yes, you could consider that unfair. But it's warranted.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:36 GMT
#929
On October 28 2012 23:35 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese

I cannot accept you saying that I'm scum or SK. In my opinion, SK is played differently because you don't have a team and you don't have extra information as SK.
If you are saying that I'm scum, stick with it and go find my scumbuddies. It is going to be difficult because I have none.

Also I would recommend you not being stubborn and read my defense against your case again. Could I have your comments on it ?

So you WANT people to make association cases?
I'm not sure you understand how this works.


Also, if your buddies are both lurkers, that's also an explanaition for the lack of defense.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:42 GMT
#932
On October 28 2012 23:40 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 28 2012 23:35 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese

I cannot accept you saying that I'm scum or SK. In my opinion, SK is played differently because you don't have a team and you don't have extra information as SK.
If you are saying that I'm scum, stick with it and go find my scumbuddies. It is going to be difficult because I have none.

Also I would recommend you not being stubborn and read my defense against your case again. Could I have your comments on it ?

So you WANT people to make association cases?
I'm not sure you understand how this works.


Also, if your buddies are both lurkers, that's also an explanaition for the lack of defense.
Now you're just putting words in his mouth. Just on the last page he said he wanted Cheese to find his supposed scum buddies *without* association.

That's complete nonsense though.
You don't need to find any scumbuddies, unless you want to make an association case.
Otherwise it doesn't matter AT ALL who's on his team, and it's a horrible suggestion, the only goal of it being to divert attention from himself.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:43 GMT
#933
Oh yeah, I forgot you are going to flip green, sorry, my bad.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:47 GMT
#935
On October 28 2012 23:44 Alsn wrote:
Also, I'd like people to answer the following question when looking at Dandel:

What has he done for town?

A good question, Mr. Useful.

I counter with this: What have you done?
You got daoud lynched with some shitty reason on your vote. And then...?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:50 GMT
#936
What has Djo done for town?
What has Cheesecake done?
What has Rad done?
What has debears done?

Is nacktjogger even in this game? I can't tell. What about Roco?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:51 GMT
#937
Oh Inig is also still alive. How could I forget this beacon of towniness?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:53 GMT
#939
Yes, Master Djo.
The world revolves around you.

Well, in this game, it actually might. Considering that nobody else is playing.
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