• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:58
CET 03:58
KST 11:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship4[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage3Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win92025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
Giải Mã Thế Giới Kèo Bóng Đá RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Practice Partners (Official) [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1530 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XXIX - Page 5

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 12:40 GMT
#895
What Alsn said.
I don't know which one is the scum kill.
It's more likely it's Sylver, that I admit. But in no way, shape or form is it IMPOSSIBLE that Kush was the scum kp.
If I wanted to speculate up reasons for it, I could come up with some. But it would be pretty useless specuation, and most importantly, fluffing up the thread.

You unwillingness to even aknowledge the possibility that kush was scum-killed, reads to me like you have relevant information on the subject.
That's why I think you were involved in one of the kills. If you're SK, you most likely killed Kush, if you're scum, I could see a reason for you to kill either.

You're right that this lynch is pretty fucking important. That's why I don't want to waste time twiddling my thumbs like you all seem to prefer. We're already full of lurkers that probably don't read the thread more than once per day. So what rationale do you have for NOT pushing your reads early?
If you wait until right before the flip, it won't do shit, because 3/4ths of the game won't even be there.

Ergo, I think I'm pretty damn justified in pushing my read early.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 12:45 GMT
#898
SK is also more likely in my mind because nobody really defends you, except really soft defenses. You look more "alone" than a scum would, in my opinion.

That, or your scumbuddies are lurking, which would also explain it.


Oh, and I also played a game as scum against Kush, and we didn't feel like we had to kill him, even though he was the claimed JK. We killed Alsn the VT instead (who played approx. 300 times better in that game, btw). So I understand all about scum not killing Kush. The thing is, I can't rely on scum reaching the same conclusion that I would.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 12:59 GMT
#901
On October 28 2012 21:50 Djodref wrote:
Seriously if we could have lynched someone during N1, Kush would have be lynched.
Mafia wants to keep that kind of players in the game. 1% chance of him being killed by the mafia.
I don't understand why you cannot see it.

On October 28 2012 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't know which one is the scum kill.
It's more likely it's Sylver, that I admit. But in no way, shape or form is it IMPOSSIBLE that Kush was the scum kp.

Where exactly do I "not see it"? Or do you mean that I should be completely convinced, like you are?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 13:06 GMT
#902
@everyone:
Please be so kind as to share your current scumreads. Or even thoughts. Or anything at all, really. Even what you had for lunch is more interesting than NOTHING AT ALL.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:06 GMT
#908
I said I'd tunnel Kush because I find it very hard to get a proper feel-read on him. I hope at this point, I've referenced NMM XXVII enough times, and this too, is a leftover from that game.

I basically assumed he was town in that game because his actions would have been absolutely stupid as scum. Lo and behold, he actually was scum.

I don't understand how his brain works, so I basically decided I wouldn't give him any benefit of the doubt, concerning anything.
But he comes in, plays scummy, and doesn't respond to any of the cases/concerns on him (expect saying they are "bad", nothing else given).
Can you honestly tell me you didn't find Kush scummy too? Cause I don't think you can.

I did not "only" suspect Djo at all. Yes, I tunneled Kush.

I didn't switch to daoud, because, while the post that got him lynched was a huge "wtf" moment, I did not find him more scummy than Inig. Yea, the cases on Inig weren't too strong, but the reasons some people had for voting daoud were even worse.

I'll openly disagree with your whole post. From your useless WIFOM you just included so that your post looks bigger/like it had actual content, to the way you excuse everyone that voted daoud (who did you vote for again?), the way you bring up things we've been over already...

You used to be decent at mafia, but somehow you got terrible. I think you're not using the Newbie games right, usually you'd try to get better.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:08 GMT
#909
On October 28 2012 23:02 Djodref wrote:
@ Alsn

Thank you I was feeling very very lonely...

I need to check dandel's filter right now. But I would like to add that his vote on me for being SK or scum makes suddenly more sense.
If he is mafia, he knows that I'm not mafia, hence him accusing me of being the SK much more easily than a town would be. I didn't understand how he came to this supported by thrawn's meta.

That was not even thrawn's own meta, he was heavily coached that game.
I'd assume you coach will have told you the same thing thrawn heard.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:20 GMT
#912
I did respond to your post, but you seem to only see what you want to.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:24 GMT
#916
On October 28 2012 23:21 Alsn wrote:
Oh and no, I don't buy your supposed reasons for tunnelling kush. He presented a case on da0ud that made sense. He did so with what we now know to be pure intentions. Simply tunnelling him because you don't want to find out his intentions the proper way is bad strategy at best and at worst it's scum motivated.

Uhm, no?
I have a scum feel from somebody, I'll tunnel him for as long as it takes for him to look town to me, instead.
Kush didn't give me any reason to assume he was town, so I had to keep assuming he was scum.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:25 GMT
#917
If his case made sense or not wasn't even the point that made me think he was scum, you're making up things now.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:30 GMT
#921
On October 28 2012 23:28 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 23:25 Dandel Ion wrote:
If his case made sense or not wasn't even the point that made me think he was scum, you're making up things now.
His case making sense means at the very least the actions involving his case should make him read town which is very relevant indeed. Please bring up examples of where he was "scummy" before your first announcement that you would tunnel him because I sure can't find any.

Maybe that's because he didn't POST before I said that? I said that because it's Kush, not because of posts.
Which you could've found out if you were capable of counting. Or reading.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:32 GMT
#923
Also note that I didn't tunnel him for some hours, because initially, I wasn't sure if I should. His case on daoud looked logical at least, and I wanted to wait for the flip. Cause if daoud had flipped town, Kush would've been basically confirmed town, and I didn't know how daoud was going to flip.

It would be silly to assume it was a mislynch before daoud even flipped.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:33 GMT
#925
On October 28 2012 23:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also note that I didn't tunnel him for some hours, because initially, I wasn't sure if I should. His case on daoud looked logical at least, and I wanted to wait for the flip. Cause if daoud had flipped town, Kush would've been basically confirmed town, and I didn't know how daoud was going to flip.

It would be silly to assume it was a mislynch before daoud even flipped.

EBWOP: if daoud had flipped SCUM, I mean
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:35 GMT
#927
[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:33 Alsn wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 28 2012 23:28 Alsn wrote:
Maybe that's because he didn't POST before I said that? I said that because it's Kush, not because of posts.
Which you could've found out if you were capable of counting. Or reading.[/QUOTE]Truth be told, I didn't actually look it up because I was already sure that I'd be right. So basically, you said you would tunnel kush before you had any idea what his alignment was.

Except I propose you did know, and you were counting on lynching him D2.[/QUOTE]
I propose you don't know shit, actually.

Yes, I was going to push for his lynch d2. Because I thought he was scum. Makes sense, right?
You must be a genius to figure that out.

Yes, I gave him a harder time than other people. Yes, you could consider that unfair. But it's warranted.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:36 GMT
#929
On October 28 2012 23:35 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese

I cannot accept you saying that I'm scum or SK. In my opinion, SK is played differently because you don't have a team and you don't have extra information as SK.
If you are saying that I'm scum, stick with it and go find my scumbuddies. It is going to be difficult because I have none.

Also I would recommend you not being stubborn and read my defense against your case again. Could I have your comments on it ?

So you WANT people to make association cases?
I'm not sure you understand how this works.


Also, if your buddies are both lurkers, that's also an explanaition for the lack of defense.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:42 GMT
#932
On October 28 2012 23:40 Alsn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 28 2012 23:35 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese

I cannot accept you saying that I'm scum or SK. In my opinion, SK is played differently because you don't have a team and you don't have extra information as SK.
If you are saying that I'm scum, stick with it and go find my scumbuddies. It is going to be difficult because I have none.

Also I would recommend you not being stubborn and read my defense against your case again. Could I have your comments on it ?

So you WANT people to make association cases?
I'm not sure you understand how this works.


Also, if your buddies are both lurkers, that's also an explanaition for the lack of defense.
Now you're just putting words in his mouth. Just on the last page he said he wanted Cheese to find his supposed scum buddies *without* association.

That's complete nonsense though.
You don't need to find any scumbuddies, unless you want to make an association case.
Otherwise it doesn't matter AT ALL who's on his team, and it's a horrible suggestion, the only goal of it being to divert attention from himself.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:43 GMT
#933
Oh yeah, I forgot you are going to flip green, sorry, my bad.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:47 GMT
#935
On October 28 2012 23:44 Alsn wrote:
Also, I'd like people to answer the following question when looking at Dandel:

What has he done for town?

A good question, Mr. Useful.

I counter with this: What have you done?
You got daoud lynched with some shitty reason on your vote. And then...?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:50 GMT
#936
What has Djo done for town?
What has Cheesecake done?
What has Rad done?
What has debears done?

Is nacktjogger even in this game? I can't tell. What about Roco?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:51 GMT
#937
Oh Inig is also still alive. How could I forget this beacon of towniness?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 28 2012 14:53 GMT
#939
Yes, Master Djo.
The world revolves around you.

Well, in this game, it actually might. Considering that nobody else is playing.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
CranKy Ducklings120
Liquipedia
LAN Event
18:00
Merivale 8: Swiss Groups Day 2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 157
Nathanias 93
CosmosSc2 62
Vindicta 21
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15582
Sea 1665
Artosis 707
NaDa 65
Noble 58
Icarus 4
Dota 2
monkeys_forever277
NeuroSwarm61
LuMiX1
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1304
AZ_Axe82
Other Games
tarik_tv6855
summit1g3804
shahzam622
JimRising 568
Day[9].tv516
WinterStarcraft316
C9.Mang0126
Maynarde123
ViBE56
febbydoto1
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick878
Counter-Strike
PGL149
Other Games
BasetradeTV144
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 62
• davetesta14
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 7
• Azhi_Dahaki7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2452
League of Legends
• Stunt277
Other Games
• Scarra676
• Day9tv516
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
7h 2m
LAN Event
12h 2m
OSC
19h 2m
Replay Cast
20h 2m
OSC
1d 9h
LAN Event
1d 12h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
BSL 21
2 days
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
3 days
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.