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@Cheese
Have you seen the mafiascum link Nackht posted and looked at any of his games?
@Alsn
Here are some thoughts about Roco/Inig to add to the not playing to wincon if they are town:
Lurking is the optimal strategy for scum for a few reasons
1) Don't have to keep a straight story
2) If they make it to late game, it's hard to target them over actives due to lack of posting and "coin flip" chance as you guys have been saying.
3) Bored/noob townie excuse can cover them
I feel like that is what is being done here. They still haven't contributed. Inig said he would be back today but still hasn't posted.....Roco- who knows? To lynch an active player over them, I feel like we need some pretty damn good reasoning since they are using optimal scum strategy.
That said, I'll keep on reading filters. Alsn, you're next on my list
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On November 01 2012 10:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Debears
While I appreciate the defense, I think people have made up their minds on me for the most part. I'm that guy that spearheaded the lynch on the venerable Djodref----Inig said himself that he wants to "continue the legacy of Djo" by voting me or following whatever the hell Nack wants to do.
Speaking of which, it seems like Nack has the lurkers (or at least Inig) around his little finger if I'm not mistaken. Inig even explicitly calls Nack town "bringing down the hammer of judgement on mafia". How is he so sure Nack is even town? I find it odd that both the lurkers come out of hiding to suddenly and unquestionably listen to this guy (by voting) and that Inig puts a firm townie stamp on his head. Doesn't make any sense to me.
Eh. It started out as question the scummy things others have pointed out and turned into "that doesn't look scummy". Nevertheless, I'm going to finish with in an in depth look at Alsn's. If I come to a non-scummy conclusion, that will most likely mean nackht/roco/inig as my scumreads for today.
and yeah. They're actions literally make no sense if they are town
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On November 01 2012 23:27 Alsn wrote:Also, I'd like to state for the record that if I didn't see Roco as my only viable option, the actions so far this voting day has me thinking that the scum are debears and Cheese. They are both obviously here in the thread, yet the only thing they've done so far is post minor nit picks or "status updates" giving us next to nothing of real value. The last scum is still a mystery to me, it could be nackh, given his experience, but it could also be Roco, Inig or Dandel, I just don't have a good enough town read on anyone at this point. The conundrum I'm facing is, how the hell am I to get any one of them lynched even if I did have a massively good case on either of them? My reasons for thinking debears is scum: 1. - Wasn't NK'd N1. There are more people who are guilty of this, but sylver was far from the "best townie" at that point. It's still possible that he was blue sniped, but if debears had actually been right about anything as scum D1, I'm thinking he would have been the obvious target.
2. - Not wanting to lynch da0ud when he had been so outspoken during D1 in fear of being associated with lynching a green.
3. - Disappearing before the Djod lynch.
4. - At several points "soft" agreeing with me(my original case on Dandel), now with the Roco lynch. Yet never following through, only leaving it open as an option.
5. - He hasn't even voted Roco yet, even though he must know at this point that the only way we can get a lynch, is by 3 town being "first" on a target and hoping the last town picks scum.
1) Speculation. The fact is a blue got nked. The most logical assumption is a blue snipe. You even say other people are more guilty. So, this point holds no merit
2) I had made a case on inig. Inig's lynch had a lot of trouble gaining momentum. On the other hand, Dau0d's lynch came pretty easily
3) IRL - if you don't like it, fuck off
4) I voted Dandel. As you could see, I had looked at his filter after you made a case on him. I had a whole filter + meta telling me he's town. You seem to keep ignoring that. Also, I had found Djo scummy since d1. He had shown nothing that made me think he was townie after d1.
5) We have plenty of time right now. I'm looking into you, then I'll decide. We can consolidate five or so hours before the lynch.
Instead of making stupid half-assed cases, maybe you should try to actually find scum?
Also Alsn, whatever happened to this?
On October 27 2012 01:30 Alsn wrote:
Just one quick thing I'd like to point out. I can tell you right now that you probably shouldn't expect the kind of activity I had in my last game. I spent waaaaay too much time that game and it almost burned me out and I think I spent 6 hours just typing up a case at one point. That was probably also due to the unique circumstances of that game(only 1 scum actually posting at all causing me to be all paranoid about finding someone that actually looked scummy to me). That being said starting tomorrow evening my time I'll definitely spend more time than I have so far.
You said you wouldn't spend as much time on this game as last in the beginning, but you've been showing alot more activity since then. You've got 9 pages of filter, whereas last game thru d2 you had 5. I'd say that's about the same thru day 2.
Why is that?
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I'll check on that nackht. Gimme a sec
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@Alsn
What in the hell do you expect? You live in Sweden. Nackht lives in Germany. There are two fucking mega lurkers (one's acting confused and the other won't talk. Dandel had some fucking thing to do. And Cheese had something to do with classes (right?).
It's timezones + IRL
My schedule is fucking rough, but I manage to read and post when I can. Why are you assuming that everyone has bunches of time to spend on this game to be active when you are?
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On November 02 2012 00:49 Alsn wrote:
Also, one last thing. Considering the massive amount of posting both me and nackh did yesterday, I find it absolutely hilarious that both yours and Cheese' only thoughts about our discussions was to conclude that "yea, he's probably UberNinja" and that some of UberNinja's quotes were funny.
Yeah, cuz you're fucking all over the place. You vote Nackht, saying he's scummy. You vote Roco. You say I'm scummy for bullshit reasons. You call Cheese scummy. You call Dandel scummy.
You go running around in circles speculating and make the thread confusing as hell to read.
Who don't you find scummy? Inig. Holy shit. Throwing shit at a wall and seeing what sticks
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EBWOP
You find 5 people scummy. Unless there are 5 scum, that's not very helpful
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On November 02 2012 01:01 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:54 debears wrote:
@Alsn
What in the hell do you expect? You live in Sweden. Nackht lives in Germany. There are two fucking mega lurkers (one's acting confused and the other won't talk. Dandel had some fucking thing to do. And Cheese had something to do with classes (right?).
It's timezones + IRL
My schedule is fucking rough, but I manage to read and post when I can. Why are you assuming that everyone has bunches of time to spend on this game to be active when you are? I was asleep + away for twelve hours? My point was that if people wanted to comment on our conversation, there was ample time. Instead pretty much the only thing you guys said was that he's UberNinja and that you would read filters. Yes, lurking may be even more detrimental, but seeing as you guys actually did have time to post, I can at least call you out for seemingly not caring. Look, I'm just as pissed that no one else is saying anything either, but what the fuck am I supposed to do at this point? All I can do is try the best I can and hope to fuck that people actually listen to me. And if you guys are both town and the amount of work you put in at this point amount to what I consider to be almost nothing, what hope do I have? All things considered I'm still in favour of lynching Roco the lurker, for obvious reasons, because I have to assume that he's the scummiest of all. I think I've been pretty clear about that.
No. That's bullshit. Just because I'm not here all active like you during the day cuz of classes and baseball doesn't mean I'm not putting in work. I've been looking through filters actually trying to figure this out when I can
Oh yeah and did you forget last night was fucking Halloween?
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On November 02 2012 02:58 nackhtjogger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 02:52 Alsn wrote:
I don't understand why scum aren't voting for Roco. Does my argument about our chances with regards to him not make sense? If I accept that SK bullying is a scum tell, then yes, Dandel looks pretty damn scummy. I also agree that four blues are unlikely. I definitely agree that I can't really find any reason to trust that Dandel should be forgiven due to outstanding work for town.
However, I'd like you to explain why lynching Roco is a bad move at this point. Do you honestly believe town stands any kind of chance of winning with Roco still in the game? At this point? His combined word count in all of his posts are less than my introductory post.
At this point I see no reason not to trust you, since you genuinely seems to be working with town's best interest at heart. The problem is that that's only because no one else seems to. Why should I not vote Roco? I don't understand what you have on roco. He's from a country I've never heard of before and upon seeing the amount of bullshit about having confidence and lurker lynch something (because as I said before I have reason to believe he doesn't know what the word policy even means) he says he assumes it's because scum is shitting all over the thread so he decides to counter that by not posting anything. To be honest from my perspective Roco has been the perfect partner in figuring this game out. There's absolutely nada that you could base an incriminating assumption upon. Now quickly change your vote to Dandel before the goddamn power goes out again.
So you're saying roco, who is the essence of hardcore lurking (an optimal scum strategy btw) is the most town by purposely not contributing?
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@Alsn
Yeah, it is optimal scum strategy.
1) They don't have to say anything/Keep their story straight
2) People use the defense "there's nothing there to say they are scum"
3) They don't form any type of associations with their other teammates
4) They give scum an easy bus late game
That said, I will consolidate. The worst possible outcome for us is a no lynch
##Vote Dandel
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##Unvote
##Vote Inig
GG boyssssssss.
Perfect's for life!
Victory laps! 20, No. Make that 30. That's a dirty 30
to quote Kush "Scumteam 4 lyfe"
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^^^^popcorn over endgame post
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OMG
that endgame post thrawn...perfect recap of scum end of day
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Hmmm. You wanna know what's funny.
I almost claimed Dhalism
as my VT name....Wow that could've been bad
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lololol Djo. That would've been good shit
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but then Dandel's rb claim more believe right?
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EPT
