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On December 30 2012 00:02 marvellosity wrote: hi froggy my first mafia partner in crime ^_^ Hey Marv I was very much the Robin to your Batman that game (without the erotic tension I mean...) Look forward to my new foray into TL Mafia whenever it starts (it matters not to me... which makes me an anarcho-marxist perhaps?) | ||
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On January 03 2013 09:36 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2013 09:28 Toadesstern wrote: On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote: On January 03 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote: On January 03 2013 09:12 Tunkeg wrote: On January 03 2013 09:08 yamato77 wrote: Marv I understand now. As for actual scum, I think hopeless looks pretty bad right now. Toad pointed the post out earlier and I think he's been pretty useless despite not wanting us all to waste time. I have to go so that's my thought on the game for now. Be back later with some updated ideas. You think hopeless looks pretty bad now? For not wanting the thread to waste time on a silly policy lynch? Line up the reasons. Don't just spit this out, without any reasons behind it. What ewxactly is scummy about it. Please explain... It was a pointless post. All he says is "guys stop wasting time." And now he's gone, being useless. He hasn't said anything meaningful himself. Cognitive dissonance, if you will. Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. well it's d1. 1 and a half hour into the day. Of course it's incredibly slim. We could all be holding hands and put things this way: "I've got some very minor thing about you, if it isn't to bothersome to read and all" but that's not going to accomplish anything. People are exaggerating early on d1 because there's little we've got. The alternative would be not posting, because what you found are only very minor things and wait for more posts. Clearly you'll see the flaw in the 2nd method if everyone thinks that way. No need to read too much into everything like this Hopeless dude claiming I'm already setting up the lynch for d2,[irony] which obviously has to be the case here [/irony] :p I'd actually prefer people not posting, than posting exaggerated reads. Sure put on some pressure, analyse whats being said, but don't just post bullshit like Player A is 100% scum because he said he likes kittens. It is just nonsensical bullshit, and it shits up the thread. That is so silly it blows my mind. 'Exaggerated reads' gives you material to work with in order to read people's alignment... no posting gives you... NOTHING and MAfia becomes more like a game of chance. To state the bleeding: obviously I also don't like your general 'people should post not stupid' vibe you are giving off. Its how I have played scum in the past, give seemingly pro-town advice without actually doing anything constructive. Things that look pro-town but aren't very makes me lean scum on you. That being said the last game I played we mis-lynched you because we interpreted your aggressive (lets be honest slightly dumb) play as scum when you were just irrate. I had just hoped you'd got passed the 'irrate townie play' out of your system this past year... Prove me wrong Tunkeg ##Vote Tunkeg re Palmar: I think the fact that he has left the thread to (seemingly) gauge people's reactions and not stirr shit up makes me think that he is ever so slightly leaning town (similarly as Tunkeg is ever so slightly leaning scum). re Policylynching: whether it be arbitrary or lurking I the same logic applies. Lurking is just one factor of many to consider, and a weak one at that (even day 1), but is sufficient to base a case on day 1 on an individual basis. Sorry about the diffuse case but am gone for the next 12 hours (Modern art museum with gf and there was a lot of shit to read. I haven't read much into toad, which is a shame, I will do when I get back. hf gl froggynoddy | ||
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My vote is still on Tunkeg. He went from engorged e-penis after a wagon started, saw that the wagon was still going and toned it down with little to no explanation, as if he'd been told to tone it down and wait for another wagon to roll on up. I think we should leave lurkers (vets or no) to vigs, theres less to read out of people voting a lurker rather than voting someone active or at least kind of active. I don't understand Palmar's trolling.. I must be super thick as well as bad. | ||
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On January 04 2013 02:39 Tunkeg wrote: You guys shouldn't underestimate the butthurt in froggy. He plays with emotions rather then his brain. He want me to be scum so bad that he probably actually believe it. I wouldn't describe myself with buthurt. I cannot stand people with big egos who think the only way to play Mafia (or interact on the internet generally for that matter) is spraying their man juices (apologies for sexism) on everyone around rather than trying to act sensibly and cooperate. I voted on you to see how you would act knowing full well that you were a huge ego last time I played here regardless of alignment. Your reactions so far however have not impressed me, you don't deal with the why, point your finger at people and you state general shit out, but I doubt you care. To be fair the above could also be applied to Palmar. I just think that he has still created more material for people to read on d1, this to me is a townie action despite his behaviour. Your actions, regardless of your bad behaviour though seem scummy... but hey I must be listening to my emotions again... | ||
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On January 04 2013 03:54 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 02:26 froggynoddy wrote: Wow... I think I should have eased myself more gently with a mini... My vote is still on Tunkeg. He went from engorged e-penis after a wagon started, saw that the wagon was still going and toned it down with little to no explanation, as if he'd been told to tone it down and wait for another wagon to roll on up. I think we should leave lurkers (vets or no) to vigs, theres less to read out of people voting a lurker rather than voting someone active or at least kind of active. I don't understand Palmar's trolling.. I must be super thick as well as bad. Hi froggy, stop inventing narratives dear. I'm finding it increasingly hard to justify your vote on Tunkeg given how, as you yourself noted, he played very similarly last time you played together with him (and me!). What is distinct between his play this game and that game that makes you sure enough to be voting him? In short: it would be silly for me to be certain about anything, particularly Day 1. You are correct about the narrative thing, I was kinda thinking this also. But I hoped Tunkeg would respond with something similar rather than have others jump in. My first vote on him was bad, purposefully so, it was meant to get a reaction, it didn't really work. What then pissed me off is that he doesn't defend himself at all but waits for interest to dissipate when big names come along and defend him. I guess this makes him maybe bad, but not necessarily scum. Ill unvote him because he's just ignoring me/doesnt want to respond and that what little pressure I can bear is now completely gone. ##Unvote Tunkeg | ||
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On January 04 2013 06:39 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 06:37 Toadesstern wrote: On January 04 2013 06:32 Tunkeg wrote: On January 04 2013 05:15 Toadesstern wrote: On January 04 2013 05:12 marvellosity wrote: On January 04 2013 05:11 Toadesstern wrote: and you think that's alignment indicative of cheesecake to a point that you'd prefere him instead of other possible targets? Do you know him? Is he a vet I don't know? what other targets? I named like 4 or something. cheesecake to me is someone who's within that mass of players who are playing bad for whatever reason and I'm not willing to make a decision on them right now, neither am I willing to decide on which one of them should be the prime target, like I just told Supersoft recently. Players like MZ, like Tunkeg, like Clarity or Cheesecake. So you think I am playing bad yeah? Tell me why you think that or just stfu. I am not going to let you get away with bullshit like that, when you don't even provide reasons. You probably won't be able to come up with anything thats worth reading though, but at least try... well still because of the bullshit about you thinking that it would be better if people didn't post at all. Thats it? Holy shit, what have the others done that warrant them being bad as fuck then? I really would like to know. No-one is voting for you, so why start yet another shit flinging contest? Who cares. Find scum or defend yourself from being called scum, why do you care from being called bad, its besides the point and detracts the thread from finding scum. That goes for me and the rest of the thread, in future I will call you out on scumminess not on whether I think your play to be bad... honest guv! | ||
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I personally would prefer a BC lynch. His posts all 'look' like he is helping town when he is not contributing anthing constructive that will be of help to town in the long run. He also jumped in to defend me when at best good players should have a null read on me s I have been pretty terribad. Scum seem more likely to jump in and help than town as, in the offchance that I flip; they would gain a little cred from me flipping town. I also still think if marv is scum then this is the worst Ive seen him play, which I guess is possible. I would also consider the fact that I think the town atmosphere in Day 1 (vets trolling, noobs like me trying to play serious to ahem disastrous effet) could have affected playstyle. that being said of the current list of candidates marv seems scummiest... I would prefer a BC or even Toad lynch as I a lot of what I've said against BC could be applied to toad. OTherwise, Hiropro tunnelling me sees quite townie. I dont see why scum would try and divert attention from Palmar and Toad lynches (unless they were both scum.. but then I would be such a strange/inadequate target no?) Dabears case on TUnkeg is just a more elaborate piece about how we think he's a bit of a dick. Not necessarilly scummy. I would still urge Tunkeg to ignore the potshots at him and prove how awesome he is by being pro-town. @Vivax: I may have sounded artificial because 1. I am a noob (6 games, 3 as town, only 1 as late game town where I lost the game because I hated Tunkeg and wanted him dead) 2. I havent played for a while 3. I feel uncomfortable playing town, I guess ly legal background means I am more comfortable lying... 4. I am BRitish, I despise personal conflict (particularly on the internet) so sometimes my tone can be a bit... constructed or perhaps considered. Should be around for next 3 hours and maybe later but am traveling all day tomorrow. I will back a marv lynch unless people can be convinced on voting BC. | ||
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The fact that: 1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him 2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves. 3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch. This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another. | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote: froggy, i just posted why i dont find you scummy. reconsider your vote, you're not stupid. Tbh I dont feel completely comfortable with lynching you but honestly that case on Adam was super weak. that post in particular made me reconsider, it seemed desperate when you have plenty of time to find better scum targets. You defending me does not make you more townie. At best it is null, at worst its a scummy more clever attempt at 'seeming' like town. | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:33 thrawn2112 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 23:30 froggynoddy wrote: Oh and I refuse to see the logs as having any bearing on alignent on either iamp or Palmar. The fact that: 1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him 2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves. 3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch. This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another. why would scum masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? why would town masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? why would scum masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? because they needed more time to fake logs. I see what you are getting at though. Perhaps I was too unequivocal. I should have said that the logs should have less weight than actual thread content; not that they were worthless. why would town masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? to avoid being mislynched, I just dont think there was a a real risk of Palmar dying, but I may be wrong. | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:39 thrawn2112 wrote: palmar has a good case on marv and i want to sheep it but bleh... lots of stuff in that case could be said about amlmost everyone in the thread and i kinda want to attribute marv's laziness to the general laziness of the thread and keep him around longer lazermonkey scum I feel exactly the same way (with bolded). I don't have an opinion on lazer. Will have a look. | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote: Also, it's the first time I see someone using his nationality as defence, don't do that froggy. The British invaded half the world a few centuries ago, so don't start with being "conflict avoiding". dude, chill. Was a joke... Way to fuck up this thread by starting the most offtopic argument ever. | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:42 froggynoddy wrote: Show nested quote + On January 04 2013 23:33 thrawn2112 wrote: On January 04 2013 23:30 froggynoddy wrote: Oh and I refuse to see the logs as having any bearing on alignent on either iamp or Palmar. The fact that: 1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him 2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves. 3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch. This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another. why would scum masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? why would town masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? why would scum masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? because they needed more time to fake logs. I see what you are getting at though. Perhaps I was too unequivocal. I should have said that the logs should have less weight than actual thread content; not that they were worthless. why would town masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? to avoid being mislynched, I just dont think there was a a real risk of Palmar dying, but I may be wrong. Also the formatting here went AWOL. should read: why would scum masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? because they needed more time to fake logs. why would town masons claim mason and not reveal logs till much later? to avoid being mislynched, I just dont think there was a a real risk of Palmar dying, but I may be wrong. I see what you are getting at though. Perhaps I was too unequivocal. I should have said that the logs should have less weight than actual thread content; not that they were worthless. | ||
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On January 04 2013 23:19 froggynoddy wrote: I personally would prefer a BC lynch. His posts all 'look' like he is helping town when he is not contributing anthing constructive that will be of help to town in the long run. He also jumped in to defend me when at best good players should have a null read on me s I have been pretty terribad. Scum seem more likely to jump in and help than town as, in the offchance that I flip; they would gain a little cred from me flipping town. I also still think if marv is scum then this is the worst Ive seen him play, which I guess is possible. I would also consider the fact that I think the town atmosphere in Day 1 (vets trolling, noobs like me trying to play serious to ahem disastrous effet) could have affected playstyle. that being said of the current list of candidates marv seems scummiest... I would prefer a BC or even Toad lynch as I a lot of what I've said against BC could be applied to toad. | ||
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On January 05 2013 01:55 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2013 01:51 froggynoddy wrote: On January 04 2013 23:19 froggynoddy wrote: I personally would prefer a BC lynch. His posts all 'look' like he is helping town when he is not contributing anthing constructive that will be of help to town in the long run. He also jumped in to defend me when at best good players should have a null read on me s I have been pretty terribad. Scum seem more likely to jump in and help than town as, in the offchance that I flip; they would gain a little cred from me flipping town. I also still think if marv is scum then this is the worst Ive seen him play, which I guess is possible. I would also consider the fact that I think the town atmosphere in Day 1 (vets trolling, noobs like me trying to play serious to ahem disastrous effet) could have affected playstyle. that being said of the current list of candidates marv seems scummiest... I would prefer a BC or even Toad lynch as I a lot of what I've said against BC could be applied to toad. okay to get this straight: BC is mafia because
Out of this might list of scumtreats (2 things in total, nothing wrong with that though) I am also town because A LOT of what you said against BC could be applied to me. I guess a lot = 1 thing? Go vote BC if you want to but don't pull this bullshit on me No-one wants to kill BC today. A couple want to kill you so Im more likely to get you killed than BC. BC defending me is one example of appearing t look townie without actually contributing. Which is also what Im accusing you of. | ||
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I also think it is better to vote a lurker than for someone who is potentiall simply having a crappy Day 1 in a thread that was pretty trolly. ##Unvote ##Vote: Bloodycobbler | ||
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I would consider consolodating on BC if you feel he is more likely to flip scum than marv. Your targets are not realistic candidates at this point. | ||
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On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true.On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote: On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote: On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote: Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case.On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...? I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol. Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). Yes BC marv scumteam does make sense. But no, targeting Palmar I think looks townie. Your not sheeping and you could argue that Palmar effed up the thread at the start and then waltzes in to clean the mess thus completely leading/manipulating town and as such you could make a case that this is anti town (like WBG seems to be doing). However the argument goes both ways, either PAlmar is playing very good townie, or he is playing very good scum. I don't think Palmar that Palmar's play is really indicative of alignment... its just quite baffling IMHO. So to summarise, going after PAlmar seems pro-town, but theres minimal risk involved and doesnt really stand up to scrutiny. | ||
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BC flipping blue pisses me off, I don't understand why you would make it so easy to be mislynched if you had power role/good asset to town as a proven good player. I think MZ case is stronger than UoN and hopeless case. @Marv (if you're still there): I thought your case on Adam was really fishy, smelled of scum desperation rather than townie injustice. Im pretty sure I explained this previously though. Also I might waffle because I hate spamming so I will make sure that my posts are understood rather than have to repeat myself/clarify. Its how I post generally on the internet. | ||
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If people are gonna start accusing Palmar please do so on the merits of his case (which a lot of you followed) and not 'because he was wrong about Marv. | ||
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If however you find fault with his actual case, enough that it implies scumminess rather than Day 1 weak case, that is infinitely more valuable a case. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum. Because he was in danger of recovering town from its Day 1 mess perhaps? Palmar was happy to lynch two non-scum and he would be discredited so I'm guessing scum are gonna kill people who are going to rally town. I seriously doubt this is WBG scumpowerplay, I don't see the point for scum to risk this but hey, as someone mentioned they could be bored I guess. ##Vote: Jackal58 | ||
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On January 06 2013 20:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On January 06 2013 20:20 froggynoddy wrote: On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum. Because he was in danger of recovering town from its Day 1 mess perhaps? Palmar was happy to lynch two non-scum and he would be discredited so I'm guessing scum are gonna kill people who are going to rally town. I seriously doubt this is WBG scumpowerplay, I don't see the point for scum to risk this but hey, as someone mentioned they could be bored I guess. ##Vote: Jackal58 I don't understand what you mean by the bolded. Ah crap, just got up, forgot that he already flipped blue *facepalm*. Ignore me. | ||
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