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Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 04 2013 23:37 GMT

#2073

On January 05 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote:

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I'm still willing to lynch you Toad. STILL, not past tense.

not exactly a good point if you're trying to tell people you're not willing to lynch everyone and their dog.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 04 2013 23:58 GMT

#2077

On January 05 2013 08:55 marvellosity wrote:

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On January 05 2013 05:35 froggynoddy wrote:

On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:

On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote:

On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:

On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:

On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW

I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?

I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.

Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not.

Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case.

I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right).

But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true.

Yes BC marv scumteam does make sense.

But no, targeting Palmar I think looks townie. Your not sheeping and you could argue that Palmar effed up the thread at the start and then waltzes in to clean the mess thus completely leading/manipulating town and as such you could make a case that this is anti town (like WBG seems to be doing).

However the argument goes both ways, either PAlmar is playing very good townie, or he is playing very good scum. I don't think Palmar that Palmar's play is really indicative of alignment... its just quite baffling IMHO.

So to summarise, going after PAlmar seems pro-town, but theres minimal risk involved and doesnt really stand up to scrutiny.

lol just noticed this post. this is some epic waffle.

want to try and explain why you told people to unvote everything and vote MZ 5 minutes prior to deadline?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:02 GMT

#2082

On January 05 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote:
because I was thinking about him in my drive home (<3) then I opened his filter and found what I put in my case a little earlier but didn't have time to write up. So I thought MZ was after all a better target than BC.

did you know the deadline was the deadline?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:03 GMT

#2086

On January 05 2013 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
obviously I knew the deadline was the deadline, Toad. Stop asking me sillies.

well in that case #3 on tunneling marv tomorrow.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:09 GMT

#2088

On January 05 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote:

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Dude, is VE chronically affected by sheepitis? If so, then why does Toad find him strange despite knowing him for longer?
Can anybody confirm this statement?

VE is problematic and plays somewhat anti-town no matter of alignment. Palmar once said that VE is one of the strongest mafia-aligned-forces no matter of alignment, resulting in town being at a disadvantage no matter what. That was before he started playing better.

Nevertheless he's VERY eratic. He's either good or completly moronic. Pretty much nothing inbetween, which makes it hard to judge him. I've got a history with him because he'll probably tell you that I consider him scummy every game I play with him, no matter of our alignments, even if we're both mafia :3

So basicly you won't find a game of VE in which he's not strange, not a single one. The question is wether that strange is something bad strange.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:26 GMT

#2097

Worth a 5k-post.
Make sure to shoot into VE or Marv.
WBG would be awesome as well, but mainly for hilarity reasons although I'm not saying he's looking townish at all.

Anyone protecting VE, Marv, WBG or Palmar this night will be slapped postgame.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:30 GMT

#2101

On January 05 2013 09:28 Keirathi wrote:

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You think all 4 of them are scum? I mean, I'm not a balance wizard or anything, but that seems pretty unlikely.

no, I say protecting them would be retarded.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:37 GMT

#2108

On January 05 2013 09:34 Palmar wrote:
are you fucking insane toad? I'm basically confirmed town to half the thread and you're asking people not to protect me?

On January 05 2013 09:35 marvellosity wrote:

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you're blates red to BC who flipped town <3

not saying you're red.
I don't think mafia would shoot you though.

If you are town, which I highly assume t be the case mafia doesn't want you dead right now, especially not if you're right now Marv.
VE and Marv won't be shot either, at least not by mafia...
There's no reason to protect WBG at all this game and I included him as a not-target because people who don't know what to do generally love picking vets without thinking about it.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:42 GMT

#2113

On January 05 2013 09:39 Keirathi wrote:

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Holy fuck do you even think about what you are saying before you say it?

In this hypothetical situation where both Palmar and marv are town and neither gets shot because they are fighting against each other, who DOES get shot?

if marv is town and Palmar is town as well mafia won't shoot either of them, which again is a reason not to protect them because mafia has no reason to shoot them and will hit elsewhere.

Which means people like Jackal / Supersoft / foolish (only if town for all 3 obviously...) are more likely to get shot, or people who're looking blatantly townish.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:45 GMT

#2116

On January 05 2013 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
LOL @ Toad wanting Jackal to be protected

I'm just giving examples without giving anything into reads based on the "let's protect vets"-approach, but yeah protection on him would be better than protection on you or Marv / Palmar for reasons already stated.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 00:49 GMT

#2120

On January 05 2013 09:47 Keirathi wrote:

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Let me translate:

"Hi guys. Don't protect marv/Palmar/Bugs because I plan on shooting them. Protect those other vets who aren't doing anything just because they are vets!"

you forgot VE. But no I'd love to be able to shoot people.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 16:32 GMT

#2346

God screw this. I'm not going to read all this bullshit, but someone said Palmar claimed Jeadong?

That's some interesting information. That's kind of a weird name, isn't it?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 16:38 GMT

#2351

On January 06 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:

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He did it in masonchat with iamp. I don't think it's that weird, actually.

It's a really weird name though, isn't it? Now if it was in the thread I'd put it down as him trolling but that way... well guess we'll have to wait for the right guy to claim Flash or something like that to see if it makes sense :p

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 16:42 GMT

#2353

@Keirathi: I already told Kurumi I'm sorry and he said it's fine, so what do you think of me?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 17:51 GMT

#2368

On January 06 2013 01:42 Toadesstern wrote:
@Keirathi: I already told Kurumi I'm sorry and he said it's fine, so what do you think of me?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 18:12 GMT

#2373

On January 06 2013 03:10 Keirathi wrote:

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What did you tell Kurumi you were sorry for?

And honestly I have no fucking clue how to read you. So many of your posts make me cringe, but (I think) the only time I've ever played with you was CT and the dynamic was completely different than a "normal" game. I've casually read a few of your games (YANMM, LVII, seems like maybe one more), but not any scum games (again, except CT, but hard to draw parallels).

Who the fuck knows?

forget it I guess, I'll post some later

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 22:00 GMT

#2467

I'm going to make a bold statement here: I don't think I'm going to get doublestacked n1 again.

I really don't think mafia will shoot me, but I might have overdone it a little because apparently there's a bunch of paranoid people who might be willing to shoot me. I'm mainly looking at hopeless, Ex-Tunk (?) and VE here. Tunk is unlikely simply because he replaced out but who knows. Hopeless could end up shooting me and if he does it's probably a townie-move although being utterly retarded because I really don't see mafia wasting KP on me this game, this early on, especially with Marv flipping town.
If VE shoots me it's a null I guess... he'd be crazy enough to do that as both alignments and to claim it as both alignments.
If he's mafia he could easily be sitting in his QT yelling <i>"look guys, if I shoot Toad and claim 10 secs prior to deadline I'll totally look like a misguided townie and with me yelling at Toad 10 times d1 I have all the reasoning to shoot him while making me look VE-ish!"</i>.
I however could also see him do the same thing as town so no idea about him.

I guess the best thing is to see who get's shot at deadline, that should give as some hints because right now it's really confusing within the vets.
And I really hope possible vigs end up claiming prior to deadline.

That's all that's relevant for this particular deadline from my point of view. I'm playing some zelda and will get onto more important things tomorrow.

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 22:03 GMT

#2475

Can mafia sacrifice n1 KP to use D2 dayvigs?
I thought it would be sacrificing N2 KP while it's D2 to use them on D2

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 22:06 GMT

#2480

On January 06 2013 07:04 Kurumi wrote:

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What.
To get day vigi you need to sacrifice KP night before the day you want to use vigis.

... Okay so it's possible they sacced 3 times to get dayvigs AND will hit for 3KP (those from n2) next night? Which results in 6 KP in cycle 2, assuming it happened that way?

Toadesstern

Germany16350 Posts

January 05 2013 22:11 GMT

#2487

I really thought you have to sac the KP preemptively..

As in:
-> Mafia shoots 3 guys n1,
-> Mafia sacs 3KP on d2
-> Mafia shoots 3 guys on d2
-> Mafia shoots 0 guys during n2 because they sacced all their KP for the day.

The way it is now they can basicly hold back 3KP and shoot 6 guys

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