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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Three things make marvellosity scum:
For reference, here is is filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=140487¤tpage=All Marv isn't a normal player, he's not going to scumslip and get owned by some woopsie, but he can nevertheless be figured out as scum quite easily. You just have to look beyond the basics. Let's start with the first one. I know I'm not one to speak this game but Marv has almost no post of any significance in the game. Literally his entire filter for the first few pages is a bunch of one-liners with little or no opinions in them. He explains my motives at length in one post here linky!. But that's about the only content he posted early in the game. I want to take you guys back to a previous game of his as town to give you the comparison. Compare this to his opening in Rock Band mafia where he was town Clicky! Right off the Bat marv is giving detailed reasonings of his thought process and trying to get people to listen to him. That's not the case this game. ---- The second point is that Marvellosity isn't doing anything to paint people scum. I am literally going to list up every indication of wanting to lynch someone or attempting to scumhunt Marvellosity has made. I'm leaving out random loaded questions towards people though. On January 03 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote: I'm ok with policy lynching kush. if he's going to be a dick he should just fucking die. Policy lynch (that's the only time he ever mentions kush). On January 04 2013 00:06 marvellosity wrote: So I learnt a new word today. Anyway, I agree with Adam on Clarity. In both Hero and Mario mafia where Clarity was town, he came basically straight out the gate finding things suspicious (jay, and s&b's VT 'slip' respectively). In his only scum game he struggled to get early scumreads, much like here. Clarity isn't aggressively questioning anyone to try to get scumreads, given he doesn't have any so far, either. He chose to mention Palmar's video thing which seemed a total non-thing to mention, especially as it had been and gone. Sheeping on Adam's case on clarity, without any later attempts at pushing anything in that direction, except of course this post here. On January 04 2013 05:02 marvellosity wrote: Palmar seems a fun lynch. Or MZ, or Clarity, or Cheesecake. BC is a little summarise-y for my liking too, but i don't wanna lynch him today. That's it. Aside from him trying to claim he has some "extra knowledge" about how I play, which I kinda thought was true but clearly isn't the case if he's apathetic/dumb enough to actually want to lynch me today, that's all he's done so far this game. A huge reason I think marvellosity is scum is that he's not scumhunting. He hasn't posted any reasons for any of his reads, his sole aggression is against me for "trolling". To be perfectly honest it's so easy to attack me that marv hardly bothers, he simply writes a bunch of shit about how I'm capable of doing all these things as either alignment, and then says "I've had enough of you" and votes me. That's his entire case, and he sees no reason to push any other case or even discuss anyone else at length. I want you all to go and read marv's filter and look at how much he has talked about other people than myself. It's almost not there. Which leads me to point number 3 ---- Marv seems to not care at all who gets lynched. He kinda wants to lynch me it seems based on my actions early game, but he's not really pushing it. He's not actively trying to get people to lynch me, he doesn't even seem to particularly care if people agree with him, which is a big red flag for me. If he genuinely thinks I'm scum, shouldn't he be pushing this read of his? When asked he hardly even answers: On January 04 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote: i've talked enough about Palmar in my filter, I don't need to say anything more right now. This enough simply being the explanation post of his that I already linked previously in this case, and then this thing here: On January 03 2013 11:12 marvellosity wrote: Of course you might be right, I don't know yet. Then again I've played with Palmar 5 or 6 times in the last half a year or something and you haven't, so maybe I have some extra knowledge ;o Probably we just wait to see how he carries on playing. Maybe you get a townread of what he posted so far, I definitely don't. He can 'get the game going' as mafia too, for example Liar Game where he made his funny voting plan and called himself King etc. Funny that players like syllo saw him town for quite a few cycles that game and he wasn't And what follows is basically him saying I can do a lot of things as either alignment. Marv knows that if I want to I won't get lynched today, and assuming he's scum he also knows that I am town and will not allow myself to be lynched like that. So it's a safe push and a good long-term tunnel. Once again. Marv is not actively trying to lynch me, he's perfectly fine with sitting back and not doing anything. Apathetic Marv is scum Marv. ##Vote Marvellosity | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 04 2013 20:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Do explain both good sir. I'd be glad to: First off, clarity_nl raised some flags for me early game but iamperfection made a good point about him. Number one he changed his read on someone (Tunkeg? I think) early in the game, which is usually a slight town-tell, scum generally are more stuck in their reads. Second his question to the mods seemed genuine enough, although that's the easiest thing in the world to fake. I kept the reservation that I was kinda waiting for clarity to actually do something or push something. Then I voiced this concern earlier today, in this conversation. On January 04 2013 18:37 Clarity_nl wrote: Can't really find the motivation between coughing all day and sleeping half the day. Yeah it's a terrible excuse but it is what it is. You'll find that the question thing was kind of my default, though, I really put an effort into hero, at least the first couple of days. Kinda fallen back into bad habits. I've also had this nasty habit this game of reading up on people for a while only to conclude they are probably town. Anyway, you don't think his comment on debears comes out of left field? But I don't know, this kind of defeated attitude seems very hard to pull off as scum. I think there are a lot of people I think are better lynches today than Clarity. Sentinel: On January 03 2013 10:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: HOLY FUCK THIS THREAD EXPLODED. Like seriously it went from 420 to 620 in three and a half hours. I am going to say that Tunkeg is bluntly pompous like this as a townie. I've played with him and against him and all his townie games are pretty much going along with the all bark, no bite line-of-thought. While I have no evidence to the contrary I will agree that he is a townie. Just a pompous one. Until then, I will do the only logical thing within my power to do. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Even if I hate this I very rarely see scum voting themselves. Not to mention I agree with his Tunkeg read. This defense also looks very towny: On January 03 2013 12:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I talk about town reads because I am defending my position that people who want to lynch Tunkeg right now are making oh so very stupid decisions. Also I think they are wrong. But I defer to your infinite wisdom Toad. Surely you know better than I. Post some information devoid of townreads and do explain on who is the scum and why you are right. Or at the very least, who you think is wrong. In general Sentinel has a very, very casual style of posting this game and doesn't seem too concerned with how people perceive him, more about being right, which makes him pretty towny. Sure, I don't like the fact that he's been awol for a long time, but if we're looking at those semi-lurkers, both Adam and Djodref concern me a lot more. | ||
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Vivax
22300 Posts
But it pisses me off that you ask for my notes within 10 minutes and want 1 day to post yours. I'd like your opinion on froggynoddy, his posts give me an artificial feeling. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 04 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote: This looks like a case I could sheep. But it pisses me off that you ask for my notes within 10 minutes and want 1 day to post yours. I'd like your opinion on froggynoddy, his posts give me an artificial feeling. I have to fake mine dude. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 04 2013 17:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I can't wait for these logs lol. I can't tell what's better; the fact that they could both be scum and just faking it or the fact that one of them could be scum regardless of what the logs say. Meaning whatever they say is irrelevant and won't tell us anything about either players alignment. simply totally untrue, and you're bad for thinking all of this | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
He did the same in Rock band. I'm simply not scum. | ||
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Vivax
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 04 2013 20:37 marvellosity wrote: oh wait, Palmar is voting me? He's scum then. He did the same in Rock band. I'm simply not scum. Good defense, I think I may need to rethink my case. oh wait... | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Vivax
22300 Posts
5 of the shorter quotes out of 6 pages of filter. And marv defending Tunkeg is quite townish anyway. | ||
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Vivax
22300 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Are you saying that you're invested as scum, or are you saying that you're not always invested as town.... orrrrr? Palmar, I'd like you to look at Paranoia and tell me how marv plays d1 in that, compared to the filter that you linked in your case (wherein he says pregame he will try to not spam up the place as much as normal) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 04 2013 20:41 marvellosity wrote: Palmar, you're wrong, which makes you scum. I have very little else to say about it. You don't understand me or my play at all if you genuinely think I'm scum, which means you must be scum. It's very simple. Nah, and the fact you're not even giving the possibility I am town a thought looks pretty bad for you. There is a chance I'm wrong, but more likely than not I'm right. You cannot deny that you have not pushed a single read this game, only vaguely commented on a few. The only contributions you've made is providing random insight into how I play. But feel free to try to counterwagon me, it'll be fun. I even have a lot of stuff for you to go after if you so wish. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 04 2013 20:43 Palmar wrote: Nah, and the fact you're not even giving the possibility I am town a thought looks pretty bad for you. There is a chance I'm wrong, but more likely than not I'm right. You cannot deny that you have not pushed a single read this game, only vaguely commented on a few. The only contributions you've made is providing random insight into how I play. But feel free to try to counterwagon me, it'll be fun. I even have a lot of stuff for you to go after if you so wish. I pushed you, and you were the leading vote-getter by at least a couple of votes. Get a grip. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On January 04 2013 20:41 marvellosity wrote: also, there are still no logs. So whatever. Here you go dear: http://dyn.palmar.org/mafia/iamperfection_20130103.log http://dyn.palmar.org/mafia/iamperfection_20130104.log | ||
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