EPTAh, right.
Kind of silly, then.
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Keirathi
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Ah, right. Kind of silly, then. | ||
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On January 06 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Three flipped cops. Scum won't be wasting KP on obfuscation. Tonight there will be blood. This looks awfully strange, in hindsight. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: I guess it has to do with the fact that 3 town cops died, if cops still existed it is riskier to not use straight up nks, I guess..... I dunno Actually going to bed now. How is it riskier if cops are still alive? It says that mafia day vigs PM the host and the host executes the kill. Very unlikely that said person would actually claim said kill, since the OP also says all town powers are night powers except Mason. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I totally misunderstood how the DayVig mechanic works. Now that I understand it, it doesn't make sense for scum to do anything BUT DayVig. X( Honestly, it reeks of "I had information that there wasn't actually going to be a blood bath, but I'm going to say there is going to be a blood bath!" And I already considered shooting you over tube, despite tube not playing. Marv was suspicious of you, Palmar is (was?) suspicious of you. You've just coasted along hopping from wagon to wagon without taking any responsibility for your actions. Then this sketchy thing just before there are no NKs. Why shouldn't we lynch you today? | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:34 VisceraEyes wrote: And I was the origninator of the BC wagon Kei, I mean...if you want to call me a bandwagon hopper that's fine, but I at least had the conviction to push my own candidate come lynch time. If we play the hypothetical game, and assume you are scum, how does that even matter? You helped to push the lynch off of one townie onto another. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote: And you considered shooting me over tube? With players like MZ and Foolishness all up in this piece? Like...I just don't even.... Yes. MZ will probably be lynched soon. If not today, then tomorrow. I'm willing to give Foolishness some BOTD for now, because I believe he can be helpful later if he actually is town (and apparnetly its his meta to troll/lurk day 1 as town, then start contributing...taking other people's word on that). You, I have no idea how to read you later in the game. You are all over the place, and very little you do actually makes sense from either alignment. I really only ended up shooting tube over you because he wasn't participating at all. At least you're here. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: You say this, but here you are questioning ME like you want to lynch ME today...which means that you weren't REALLY thinking about MZ as a lynch today at all. What? So, I should just shut up and not question anyone else while we all bandwagon on to MZ and waste the day with no other discussion? | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote: But hey, I'm bad for town right? Everyone thinks so. Fuck ALL of you guys. Wah wah wah. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, I don't fucking get it. People bitch that I post too much, but bitch about what I post. No one fucking listens to me, so what is the point of even playing? I post less, people call me lurky. Fuck this place. Fuck all of you. So is the problem everyone else? Or is it more likely that the problem is you? Other people are quite capable of posting sensibly enough to be considered town pretty easily. | ||
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On January 06 2013 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes What Kei? Couldn't hear you over the sound of me playing against my win condition. Good lord, man. Why are you so butt hurt? I was just asking some questions so I could get a read on you because some of your play has looked bad this game. Hell you didn't even get this pissed when I hardcore conspiracy theoried you in LC. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Because marv quit and the only people left are people who are fucking dicks to me and I don't wanna play anymore. Because you're saying I'm more suspicious than people who have NOTHING in this thread Because so many people aren't even posting that this game is not only impossible, but not fun to boot. I apologize if I was being a dick. That was not my intention when I started this dialog. Some things in your filter gave me cause for concern, and so I questioned you about them. I guess its your right to get upset about that if you want. Whatevs. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: So fucking whatever...vote for me. You're suspicious of me right? Scum don't want to lynch me because I'm bad for town, so just fucking do it. I won't stop you. Herp derp, if I voted for everyone I was ever suspicious of, I would likely never win a game. I'm suspicious of EVERYONE until they are confirmed town. | ||
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And I'm not in the business of voting townies if I can help it. I am wrong as often as not, but I certainly don't try to be. I want to figure you out, not just vote you because you are angry. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever, you lack spine. I don't need your vote to die. I'll just suspiciously disappear. How the fuck do I lack spine? Good lord, grow up. | ||
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On January 06 2013 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I say you lack spine because I'm in here scumming it up and you're not voting for me. You say you're suspicious of me, and when I give you actual CAUSE to be suspicious, you back off. Being angry doesn't make you scum, sweetie. Nor does voting for yourself. | ||
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I originally sent in my shot on him, instead of tube. Marv hadn't flipped yet, and as a Vengeful Vig, I could only shoot people who were voting on confirmed town lynches. But I went back and did some meta diving on Hopeless, and I'm not quite as sure that he is scum as I was when WBG made the case originally. I think bugs missed a key part of scum Hopeless's mindset compared to his town mindset. For instance (These are from scum games): + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 03:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay, ignoring the possibility of two mason pairs: I could actually quote every single one of Muso's posts to help make my point... - He "lied" about his game history + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S - He "lied" about reading the game setup + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S On November 01 2012 13:41 Muso wrote: I am a mason, I didn't know there was a miller too Are the lies because he's new and quite frankly, stupid? Or because his fake-claim was TERRIBLE and he's banking on the pity card to save him somehow? ##Vote: Muso Acro has provided an encrypted 'claim post' and I don't see the benefit to a 1-1 trade if Acro was scum. This situation makes way more sense if Acro is telling the truth. Technically, 2 mason pairs is possible, but quite frankly I think we're going to be lynching Muso regardless now, even if a "partner" claims. His filter is just too wrong for me to be willing to let him live. Here is what I would suggest: Muso, if you are in fact a mason, write a last will for your partner to use to confirm themselves. Muso's Partner - Unless you think you can save him, do not claim until after the 1hr resolution period starts at the end of the night phase. There is no good reason to out yourself before that time (unless you can save him). Could someone comment on that suggestion, and perhaps if they would even believe someone claiming to be Muso's mason-partner? I really don't think revealing the other halves is a good idea right now. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Review the spoiler. Information is deliberately missing. I don't know how "hard" it would be for scum to come up with a VT name. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed? Also, unanswered questions: ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 02 2012 04:47 HiroPro wrote: Millers flip miller on death. If a mason dies, their partner is not revealed. He's doing things that are apparently 'allowed' as far as mod rules go. That said, I don't think kush is being particularly helpful, but its not scummy to me. This is kush legitimately trying to contribute and reason out whether or not the lynch candidate is who he says he is (i.e. is Muso really VT). He only ever claimed NOT Mason. Granted, green text, but that's inconclusive. However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted. Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. On November 03 2012 06:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Muso never came back when I questioned this, and I found this last post of his really scummy: If it was 3AM at time of post, its around 8AM now. He might be back before the deadline but I won't hold my breath. He's already said he probably wont make it. That's not scummy, thats needing sleep. The scummy part is where he says me continuing to push his lynch is scummy and that it makes the case on promethelax look stronger. This suggests we're both scum. However, if Prom flips town, we should interrogate me. So I'm scum no matter what, basically because I still want to lynch his lying ass. Now compare that to his votes/pressure this game: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote: For justice then, ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:  No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote: I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Scum Hopeless is much more decisive and pushy. Town Hopeless, in my experience, is wishy-washy, non-committal, and sheepy. I think this actually feels more like town Hopeless. | ||
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Anyways ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:03 kushm4sta wrote: I want to know why you felt the need to claim your shot keirathi. it doesn't make sense to me. Why wouldn't I claim my shot? I am a one-shot Vig, and I had no reason to hide the fact that I was the one that killed tube. | ||
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On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote: By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town. Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that? I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today. | ||
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