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Hiro
blending in like a boss
Before you read my case, I recommend you to check Hiro's filter. It's not that long so you can make an idea of him for yourself before reading this thread.
I also recommend you to read Hiro's filer in the Looney Lynching Mini to give you an idea of his scumplay.
My point here is that I don't think that mafia did anything on D1. I'm not sure about Palmar, because he looked very convinced that marv was scum, so I have still him as town, but I'm waiting to see if he can deliver more and simply get killed. But if Palmar is town, mafia had absolutely nothing to do during D1 because the lynch was town/town lynch.
So, let's have a look at Hiro. This guy is just blending in.
He is also showing extra knowledge about what the mafia is going to do.
So, Hiro is making comments here and there, asking some questions, but not really strongly pushing anyone, at the exception of froggy, who he dropped at som point. He is taking the backseat. This is quite similar to his play in the Looney Lynching.
I find the reason why he dropped froggy very strange. The timing also.
On January 05 2013 02:40 HiroPro wrote:
froggynoddy looks more town to me now that he's stopped being infatuated with Tunkeg. Deciding between BC, Toad, and marv right now.
He stopped his tunnel when marv and BC start to get in the spotlight.
Also he attacks marv for claiming, while keeping his vote on BC. Good job at discrediting one town while lynching the other.
On January 05 2013 06:25 HiroPro wrote:
w/e, your claim doesn't mean anything. I don't understand why you would claim.
What I find very suspicious also in Hiro's posts is the following comments.
On January 05 2013 06:50 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:49 Keirathi wrote:On January 05 2013 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote:
This is a desperation claim, not to mention according to Ace logic that is always perfect, you should always lynch day 1 roleclaimers.
Don't unvote marv, kill that scummy bastard This game is not a normal game. If Marv is fakeclaiming, scum will take a severe blow by sacrificing KP. This is actually a good point. If marv is scum and fakeclaiming, then scum can't use their full 3 KP tonight. A scum team with a town marv as cop would 100% either kill marv or give up KP to roleblock him. uh, kp gets rounded up doesn't it?
If I'm right about MZ being a scum mason, I think that this shows that Hiro has extra knowledge about how the KP works.
Because the rounded-up part in he OP is different ! This is what the OP says.
Mafia KP is # of Mafia /2 rounded up. There are 6 members of Mafia, starting KP is equal to 3.
And look at that post of Hiro just one minute after the deadline.
On January 06 2013 07:01 HiroPro wrote:
Day vigi shots will be happening soon i expect.
Hiro knew day vigs were going to happen. Don't get WIFOMED by that post ^^
I think that Hiro is scum, along with MZ and Jackal.
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On January 07 2013 06:21 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 06:13 iamperfection wrote:On January 07 2013 06:10 Djodref wrote:
@ iamp
Are you still around ? I think I have an explanation why mafia tried to shoot you at night !
Look at this
1 KP -> one dayvig shooting WBG
1 KP -> one dayvig shooting Keir
0.5 KP -> MZ is mason
remaining 0.5 KP rounded to 1 KP -> shoot iamp at night !
The remaining KP gets rounded, that's what we were missing ! Is that even how it works? If the mafia use 2.5 of their kp on abilities can the remaining .5 be used to as normal kp since it would be rounded up? Yes.
@ iamp
So what to you think about this ?
MZ is scum mason, hoping that the KP usage for the masonry gets unnoticed because of this trick.
That's why you got shot at night and not by a dayvig !
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@ thrawn
Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you.
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On January 07 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 06:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On January 07 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Until we kill 2 scum. With 5 scum KP is still 3. Well with 5 they can only dayvig twice and then have to kill or else buy two 0.5 roles at the cost of a dayvig. I could live with that. What? KP is still 3 with 5 scum...meaning they can dayvig twice, buy a .5 and NK the same way (we're assuming) they did last night. Being down one means nothing in terms of what they can do...it's not until they're down two that they're impeded in any way.
@ VE
What do you think of my case against Hiro ?
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On January 07 2013 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Djo's Hiro Case
Honestly, there's not much there. First of all, the whole "KP are rounded up" thing is IN the OP. I don't understand what extra information you're saying Hiro has to have to make that correction, but the KP formula is in the OP so that whole point doesn't make sense to me.
The froggy thing is also strange, but mostly because I had a similar thought process. At the time, I was about sure Tunkeg was town based on the vehemence of his posting and general unpleasantness...angry townies lynch people, so if Tunkeg were scum I'd think he'd be more afraid of posting like a jerkwad. Anyone tunneling Tunkeg D1 was pretty suspicious to me for this reason...so it's not unreasonable to me that Hiro saying that someone coming out of a Tunkeg tunnel gets townpoints.
The point about him discrediting one townie while lynching another is a good point though. This and him blending in are the points I agree with in your case.
The thing about the KP being rounded-up is that the OP mentions only the formula for the total KP scum is having at his disposition. What we didn't know is that the remaining KP was also rounded-up.
And Hiro was knowing this !
Look the nested quote, he was saying that marvellosity claim was not a problem for scum because they could RB him and still have 3 KP, which shows that he knows how to use mafia KP !
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He said "if they want not to use it for roles"
What you were saying is that they could use it for one role, and still get the 3 KP because the remaining part gets round-up.
And I think that only mafia has this information.
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On January 07 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
debears you still on? have anything to say about my djo case?
specifically the scumslip part
It's not a scumslip. I've already addressed it. Do you have any problems with how I've addressed it ?
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On January 07 2013 07:35 HiroPro wrote:It helps if you read Toads post also. I Show nested quote +f I HAVE to deliver the KP, can I do other things as well? Example: 1KP left, I want to sac 0.5KP for a PR and still punch someone for 0.5KP worth of damage. Can I do both
Well, it looks like Toad had forgot he has asked this question because he didn't mention this when we were discussing why iamp had been shot at night and not by a day vig.
Why did you not make any comment on our discussion at that point ?
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On January 07 2013 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 08:09 Djodref wrote:On January 07 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
debears you still on? have anything to say about my djo case?
specifically the scumslip part It's not a scumslip. I've already addressed it. Do you have any problems with how I've addressed it ? Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 07:19 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 07 2013 06:52 Djodref wrote:
@ thrawn
Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you.
but cc hasn;t flipped yet, you are saying cc is town? say some more stuff about kush changing his mind on whatever player you're talking about
First of all, I'm not saying thet CC is town or scum here.
If kush knew CC's alignment, kush wouldn't have backed up. My point is that scum kush knows everybody alignment, and plays in consequence. At that time, if he knew that CC was town or scum, he would have defended him from the beginning or bus him from the beginning and wouldn't have changed his mind.
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On January 07 2013 09:40 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 08:51 Djodref wrote:On January 07 2013 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 07 2013 08:09 Djodref wrote:On January 07 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
debears you still on? have anything to say about my djo case?
specifically the scumslip part It's not a scumslip. I've already addressed it. Do you have any problems with how I've addressed it ? On January 07 2013 07:19 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 07 2013 06:52 Djodref wrote:
@ thrawn
Regarding my 'scumslip', I know that kush isn't bussing because he changed his mind about Cheesecake at some point (or some other player, I don't remember exactly). Also he didn't give any reason for why marv was scum, even a small quote or anything like that. Even if at the time we didn't know marv's alignment, I know that kush uses his extra-knowledge as scum. He wouldn't drop a read because he would be right about CC from the beginning. He would give a small indication why marv would have been scum as well. Just like in WitchCraft when he was nit-picking my post to show the juicy part to you.
but cc hasn;t flipped yet, you are saying cc is town? say some more stuff about kush changing his mind on whatever player you're talking about First of all, I'm not saying thet CC is town or scum here. If kush knew CC's alignment, kush wouldn't have backed up. My point is that scum kush knows everybody alignment, and plays in consequence. At that time, if he knew that CC was town or scum, he would have defended him from the beginning or bus him from the beginning and wouldn't have changed his mind. You are basing a freaking meta town read on his reaction to one person?
Fuuu
I was answering thrawn about a 'scumslip' I had apparently made.
And yes, I think I understand kush scum meta enough to derive a slight town read on him from something like that. But the main point is that scum kush would have never attacked town marv, even if it was not not subject here.
After Witchcraft Mini where we were playing scum together, I understood how kush is playing scum. You can ask him if I'm right or not about this 
Also I don't understand why you still want to lynch me. My excuses for not being active until now are legit.
And you know I'm active as scum.
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On January 08 2013 05:40 debears wrote:
Vivax might be scum based on some things in his case guys. Gotta make it all nice and neat for you all
@ debears
I can't wait for it ^^
Also, what did you think about my case on Hiro ?
@ Hiro
Are you still here ? Could you explain your scumread on Toad a little bit more ?
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looks like I've been just sniped
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@ Clarity
What do you think of Hiro after my case and his list of reads plus him heading out for 48 hours ?
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On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote:
Djo
The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia
However, his recent list of reads is intriguing
@ debears
Why did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ?
What do you think of Prom right now ?
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On January 08 2013 06:36 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:32 Djodref wrote:On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote:
Djo
The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia
However, his recent list of reads is intriguing @ debearsWhy did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ? What do you think of Prom right now ? I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does
So, you somehow trusted marv's judgement on Tunkeg, while his reaction was not supposed to be town marv's reaction.
What was your read on wbg at that time and why ?
What did they say exactly that made you 'shut down our case' ?
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@ Prox
If you are around, I would like to know what you think of debears 
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On January 08 2013 06:46 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:36 debears wrote:On January 08 2013 06:32 Djodref wrote:On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote:
Djo
The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia
However, his recent list of reads is intriguing @ debearsWhy did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ? What do you think of Prom right now ? I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does So, you somehow trusted marv's judgement on Tunkeg, while his reaction was not supposed to be town marv's reaction. What was your read on wbg at that time and why ? What did they say exactly that made you 'shut down our case' ?
@ debears
In addition to the following questions, could you tell me what you think about thrawn ?
What do you think about the fact that he posted a case against me directly after you started to cast suspicion upon me ?
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On January 08 2013 07:46 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:42 yamato77 wrote:
Debears you are bad. A good case can have bad parts. He immediately agreed the case was good. did not point out any flaws. Now, he's like "oh, parts were bad but it's still a good case." that is not town mindset. It shows he was not willing to even look up the quality of the case. Now that I've pointed out how shitty the case is, he says it has bad parts with it being good, despite the lengthy write up i made on it. Laser is scum
@ debears
How about you answer my questions instead of calling everyone scum ?
On January 08 2013 07:14 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:46 Djodref wrote:On January 08 2013 06:32 Djodref wrote:On January 08 2013 06:27 debears wrote:
Djo
The strongest part of your Hiro case is the fact that he hasn't contributed. The rest is eh and can be done by town or mafia
However, his recent list of reads is intriguing @ debearsWhy did you sheep Palmar's case on marv over your case on Tunkeg D1 ? What do you think of Prom right now ? I was shut down hard by multiple vets including marv and WBG. Marv's reaction to my case on Tunkeg was not what I expected of town Marv either. Palmar's thoughts reflected those of my own Prom is more active than Tun, but he hasn't done much. I'd rather keep him alive for now and see what he does So, you somehow trusted marv's judgement on Tunkeg, while his reaction was not supposed to be town marv's reaction. What was your read on wbg at that time and why ? What did they say exactly that made you 'shut down our case' ? @ debearsIn addition to the following questions, could you tell me what you think about thrawn ? What do you think about the fact that he posted a case against me directly after you started to cast suspicion upon me ?
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On January 08 2013 08:20 debears wrote:Scum marv busses all the time, or at least prepares for it WBG I was leaning town Look it up. They brought up how "it doesn't indicate him being scum because you can't show us how his meta his scum oriented" I rephrased what I meant multiple times, and they shut it down multiple times Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 05:11 debears wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey Iamp. What do you think of Djodref? I have noticed a few things that are alarming 1) His indifference to taking the helm in this game. His activity is much greater in his town games. 2) His weak reasoning for voting BC. He hides it among all the other stuff in this post, and says that the quoted post "serves mafia interest" without explaining On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC 3) He never pushes BC after that 4) He brings up others, yet no real reasoning On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 05:31 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +smiley djo is scum Day 1With his first post he comes in with a bunch of reasonable sounding fluff about all the policy lynches he doesn't agree with. He is ok with a lurker lynch, but there is nobody he thinks is scum. His next post was a defense of tunkeg... still djo doesn't have a scumread. His thrid post comes during he marv wagon, and he disagrees with the marv lynch,and lynches bc because bc is the counterwagon. (and now we know bc is town) He does not have any scumreads for all of d1 and ends up parking his vote on a townie to save another townie.... Here is what djo has to say about bc when he votes: On January 05 2013 06:31 Djodref wrote:I don't think marv is a good lynch for today. Him pushing Palmar was legit, from a town point of view, because Palmar started to look town quite late. Also I think it's not fair to judge him in comparison with his performance in Rockband Mini Mafia. Also I don't disagree with much he has been saying and him being suspicious of Clarity at some point is not alignment indicative, because Clarity is not playing his usual town game (even if I'm buying his excuse as being sick for the moment). I don't think the chances for him to be mafia are high enough to justify a lynch on him, and it would be a shame to mislynch him if he is town. So I'm going to support the counter-bandwagon, and on top of that I think that BC lynch is a good lynch in itself + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 02:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I dont have a ton of time right now and given that most of it was spent catching up on the thread all I can say is what the fuck?
Palmar is off the hook given how rampant his bullshit was all day because he posted some logs and a list of reads that all looks seems hastily put together and shit. He then makes his only case of the game against a player his own notes say specifically he would like to hold off on pursuing then suddenly his outlook changes while marv does the same shit palmar has been doing except Marv was more useful through the entire day.
People need to realize that Palmar only contributed because he was harassed into doing so and has done the bare minimum since. Seriously people Marv may not have scum hunted but he was actively harassing people or pushing people to generate discussion.
##vote palmar
I honestly dont get you people and the next person to suggest lynching me on inactivity should go back and read the first thing I said in this game after signing up I really don't like this post from BC, as in 'I don't like this post because it serves mafia interest'. First of all, Palmar is not going to get lynched today. Moreover, Palmar stopped trolling and was actually working on this game while masoning with Iamp. Also him pushing his marv's lynch like this makes him town in my eyes, and I think that BC should be able to see this as well. Secondly, regardless of marv alignment, I see scum motivation for this post. Defending marv and discrediting Palmar if marv is scum is good, but doing it when both of them are town is even better, because you are setting things up for lynching Palmar after marv. His post also allows him to avoid contributing by spending time in a useless tunnel. ##Vote BC and that's the entirety of he scumhuning djo did on day 1, up until he justifies his vote for BC (a townie) Continuation of D1's non scumhuntingAfter D1 djo talks about a lot of random stuff and gets into random conversations, non of them related to scumhunting. It starts with this post and ends right before this one: On January 05 2013 23:37 Djodref wrote:I could lynch among Hopeless, Sentinel and MZ tomorrow. I have yet to see them do proper scumhunting. I don't think they are all scum though. I'll see how they react to the pressure. What I really like in Clarity's case against Sentinel is how Sentinel is promising to read the thread, without delivering. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.
Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period For example, this was totally unnecessary. And reading Adam's filter takes like less than 5 minutes, so he could have given us his insight instead of saying this. One other thing I didn't like is this post Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 20:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Agreed. I'm sitting the night out. I don't think Sentinel should feel any fear of being killed tonight. It's again another indirect way to hint that he is town, when he doesn't really need to. That's 13 posts where he isn't scumhunting, just 'participating' in the thread. And in that post where he finally calls people out as people he'd want to lynch, 2 of them (hopeless and mz) dont show up anywhere else in his filter so far. The obvious trend here is that djo hasn't been doing any scumhunting but will randomly have person(s) he wants to lynch who he's said nothing about so far. Everything ElseEverything after the post where he calls out sentinel, mz, and hopeless is a lot like the rest of his filter. He'll get into conversations but never seems to be scumhunting or pressing reads. A lot of the time he's just arguing and giving people town reads. I also think this could be a scumslip: On January 05 2013 22:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:40 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:
[quote]Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely.
Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing. You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing? HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum. This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true? I have to look it up for marv. I've heard somewhere sometime that he had been bussing almost his whole scumteam in one game. But it's definitively true for kush, and it's also true for me. That's why I really don't think kush is scum in this game by the ay. He says he doesn't think kush is scum, because kush would be bussing.... how does he know kush isn't bussing? + Show Spoiler +also, smiley levels are at all time lows TLDR: he doesn't scumhunt, ever He displayed a decently lengthed case 20 minutes after I posted my original suspicions. So, within 20 minutes, he had to see my case, determine if it's good, and suddenly write up something about you if he was scum. I don't see him doing that that easily
About thrawn, does that make him scum in your eyes ?
What about the rest of his filter ?
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