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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 03 2013 10:43 GMT
#741
On January 03 2013 19:31 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 19:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
Palmar, you honestly don't have any scum reads what so ever? You've been fast to dissmiss all of the wagons this far yet not providing your own alternatives. WBG does not count for obvious reasons...


No I think everyone is town.


Why can't we all be town

Why can't the scum drop their weapons and come together and we'll all sing kumbayah together in the streets
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 11:01 GMT
#742
@ Lazer

You know that Hoelessrider saw the OMGUS vote by Kush on you at the start of the game? How do you see him calling Kush out about that as a scum move? It's like he actually cared about that vote on you.

Now Kush admitted that it was a stupid vote on Lazer, so I can see a townie motivation behind Hoe noticing that vote.

@ Kush

Why do you suggest to reveal reads but not the (meta-)reasoning behind them?
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I would like to feed rope to tube or VE.

tube came in with a nice fuck you all - post, implying he's not going to do anything for the rest of the game. I think that deserves a reciprocal answer.

VE looked unsure at the start of the game. He joined the wagon on WBG when people weren't making a big deal out of Palmars and Toads first posts. Marv called him out for this, but VE jokingly shook it off by referring to Palmars' reasons for voting Bugs.

Shortly before, supersoft also asked Lazer if he would vote WBG.
Lazer expressed his preference for lynching grush.
Maybe VE saw this question as the trigger to go for a serious bandwagon against Bugs, betting on supersoft being prepared to drop another vote on him.

Other than that, VE's posts are ruining my precious neurons by being useless for this game while actually making him look like he cares. Something similar can be said for kush, but his abrasive nature along with a certain feeling of commitment made me give him townie points.
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The Tunkeg wagon is stupid.
You should read him in Hero Mini Mafia, he got mislynched as veteran, dropping a retarded battle poem before his death. I highly doubt a mafia Tunkeg would be THIS identical to his town meta in another game.

The analogies live up again. He comes in with a huge, scummy post of rather summarizing nature, to start fighting against everyone and anyone finding him scummy for it, just to disappear again when shit hits the fan. Shortly before lynch he comes in with some martyr post, trying to look epic while being lynched and fed to the pigs for being a dicks.

I've never seen Chezinu in action, I find his posts quite entertaining, although I usually like to get rid of role players since I've played against a scum Kurumi doing that.
The thing about being a mafia safety net confused me a little, nonetheless:
Brown power, Brown power!
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 11:02 GMT
#743
@ Palmar

Do you still stick to your WBG wagon? I have actually a hard time knowing whether you are serious about it or not, you said you are, but it doesn't quite get into my head.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 11:13 GMT
#744
@ Supersoft

07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG
07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway.
07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?)

I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 11:17 GMT
#745
And gl to Bugs for his surgery. I know how busy it can get in hospitals, so let's hope he picked the right one.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 03 2013 11:19 GMT
#746
On January 03 2013 20:01 Vivax wrote:
@ Lazer

You know that Hoelessrider saw the OMGUS vote by Kush on you at the start of the game? How do you see him calling Kush out about that as a scum move? It's like he actually cared about that vote on you.

Now Kush admitted that it was a stupid vote on Lazer, so I can see a townie motivation behind Hoe noticing that vote

O.o. I missed that. Though I don't see it as alignment indicative really. There were never a case or wagon on me so kush's vote were just bad in every single aspect so I think it woud hurt scum in any matter. hopeless didn't call him out as scum tho. He simply said:
On January 03 2013 07:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
really kush? he calls you a troll so you ninja omgus lazer?
Which I take as more of a ''U suck'' than ''U scum''.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 03 2013 11:23 GMT
#747
On January 03 2013 20:13 Vivax wrote:
@ Supersoft

07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG
07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway.
07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?)

I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59?
While I agree that this is strange, scum shouldn't really do things like this either. Also, in case you are wondering why he'd like to kill MZ, read his filter. He have been trolling/useless/etc the whole game so far.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 11:28 GMT
#748
Lazer, why do you want to lynch Hopeless again?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 11:35 GMT
#749
Like, having a scumread on Palmar but not wanting to lynch him. And (over)reacting to accusations.Although the (over) is subject to interpretation.

What about him calling out strange votes, defending Bugs? Being called out by Toad for calling out the Bugs lynching policy?
Toad voted for Bugs together with Palmar. Toad calls the guy out opposing their duo.

You have to weigh in the townie points as well. Why would a scum hopeless question the legendary, infallible, bearded majesty of Eyafjallajokull Palmar this early, assuming that Palmar is town (which should be your current assumption)?

Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 03 2013 11:53 GMT
#750
##Vote Jackal58

Lurker policy lynch go.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 03 2013 11:55 GMT
#751
On January 03 2013 20:35 Vivax wrote:
Like, having a scumread on Palmar but not wanting to lynch him. And (over)reacting to accusations.Although the (over) is subject to interpretation.

What about him calling out strange votes, defending Bugs? Being called out by Toad for calling out the Bugs lynching policy?
Toad voted for Bugs together with Palmar. Toad calls the guy out opposing their duo.

You have to weigh in the townie points as well. Why would a scum hopeless question the legendary, infallible, bearded majesty of Eyafjallajokull Palmar this early, assuming that Palmar is town (which should be your current assumption)?

We all know that IF we are going to lynch bugs it's not because of Palmar's/Toad's idea of how town WBG is crap and scum WBG is good thus it's always good to lynch WBG policy. Town knows this, scum knows this. I cannot emphasize stupid a scum would be if he sincerely would try to lynch WBG based upon this. Like in a serious way. Not in a Toad's semi-trolling way.

When you say that he is calling out strange votes(the ones on WBG and Kush's vote on me)its more like he is calling out unserious votes. Wagons that isn't going to result in a lynch, at least not given the information we have now.

So, to summarize a bit, I don't really see these things as townie points TBH. Why? Because you cannot just look how much sense they make from town PoV but also from scum PoV. Calling out strange votes + attacking Palmar can very well give him credit as scum. Thus it all comes down to WIFOM. And thus its a null tell.

Things I hold against Hopeless
1.His reaction here
On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote:
What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?

They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people.

Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato?

Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches?

yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card.

Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active.

2. The fact that he has posted quite a bit but yet taken a strong stance anywhere.

I have a hard time seeing how town Hopeless would react in such a way, while I can see several reasons for scum Hopeless to do so.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 03 2013 12:05 GMT
#752
On January 03 2013 20:13 Vivax wrote:
@ Supersoft

07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG
07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway.
07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?)

I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59?


why are these timestamps important? you want to look professional?
the first posts were just some posts to get this game going and to start a discussion.
there is not really deeper meaning. actually the one with wbg also had. i am not lynching wbg d1.
even if hes not here what i think is strange lol.
and wtf? randomly? marv asked me if i wanted to kill palmar. i replyed no, i prefer mz!?
LOL! do you even read the thread? GG scum. what a typical scumpost that is.
asking stupid questions, with unnecessary timestamps. not even quoting me!
Do you really think you can get away with that stuff???

Another questionable fellow is that guy here:
On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote:
Btw guys something to note

If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe


wtf confirmed townies? is he really that (im am polite now) "uninformed"?
LOL


and yeah ofc MZ, as scum you'd tell your scumteam that palmar looks town like town and not us.
pfffff

can we lynch that timestampguy btw? he's terrible. is he always terrible? reading former games on my phone kinda sucks.
LOL! just rereading his post: wtf motivations?
that post screams scum to me
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 12:07 GMT
#753
I'll leave his defence to himself, just know I'm not sold on lynching him for the aforementioned reasons.

Since clarity wants to lynch lurkers and others want to lynch trolls, how about we go for a nice lurking troll lynch, namely tube? He kindly told us to go fuck ourselves, the cocky scum entrance trick.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 03 2013 12:07 GMT
#754
On January 03 2013 21:05 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 20:13 Vivax wrote:
@ Supersoft

07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG
07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway.
07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?)

I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59?


why are these timestamps important? you want to look professional?
the first posts were just some posts to get this game going and to start a discussion.
there is not really deeper meaning. actually the one with wbg also had. i am not lynching wbg d1.
even if hes not here what i think is strange lol.
and wtf? randomly? marv asked me if i wanted to kill palmar. i replyed no, i prefer mz!?
LOL! do you even read the thread? GG scum. what a typical scumpost that is.
asking stupid questions, with unnecessary timestamps. not even quoting me!
Do you really think you can get away with that stuff???

Another questionable fellow is that guy here:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 17:16 debears wrote:
Btw guys something to note

If we have a mason, if you talk to someone starting day 1, you are confirmed town to that player. Mafia do not get powers til night 1 I believe


wtf confirmed townies? is he really that (im am polite now) "uninformed"?
LOL


and yeah ofc MZ, as scum you'd tell your scumteam that palmar looks town like town and not us.
pfffff

can we lynch that timestampguy btw? he's terrible. is he always terrible? reading former games on my phone kinda sucks.
LOL! just rereading his post: wtf motivations?
that post screams scum to me


How is debears wrong?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 03 2013 12:08 GMT
#755
oh lord, mass typos. ahm will get to my computer soon. expect HQ-posts then.
gotta check out some metas until then!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 03 2013 12:08 GMT
#756
Can scum sacrifice kp for roles at any point in time or only during the nightphase?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22291 Posts
January 03 2013 12:11 GMT
#757
Why are you getting so worked up over the mentioned posts super?

The reason I post timestamps is cause I write important post to a document and try to filter out the shit, that's why VE's only post in there his vote on WBG.

Who do you want to lynch?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 03 2013 12:12 GMT
#758
Mason (Let's one of members communicate with someone for 48 hours. Can be used during the day.)
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 03 2013 12:15 GMT
#759
On January 03 2013 21:12 supersoft wrote:
Mason (Let's one of members communicate with someone for 48 hours. Can be used during the day.)


Please read how scum acquire their roles. zzzZZZ
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
January 03 2013 12:16 GMT
#760
On January 03 2013 21:11 Vivax wrote:
Why are you getting so worked up over the mentioned posts super?

The reason I post timestamps is cause I write important post to a document and try to filter out the shit, that's why VE's only post in there his vote on WBG.

Who do you want to lynch?


i am not sure if you really read what i say.
what is the motivation behind your questions? do you think i am scum? or do you just want to ask some questions?
(i buy your timestamp explanation btw. thats okay.)
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