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On January 05 2013 13:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Also it really pisses me off that Marv claimed so late, when it was obvious way earlier that he was on track to be lynched.
I don't get how anyone that think 40 before a not close lynch is a good time to claim.
When would you have preferred him to claim, assuming he was telling the truth?
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On January 05 2013 13:27 kushm4sta wrote:
as soon as it was obvious he was going to get lynched otherwise
Town marv was yelled at in Paranoia for claiming Cop day 1 when he was the majority lynch with an hour and a half left.
His last post before he claimed was over an hour and a half before his claim post. Which means it was over 2 hours before deadline. It wouldn't be that big of a shock to me if a town marv wouldn't claim at that point (even earlier than the last claim), after the flak he received for it recently by some of the very same players in this game.
And whatever you want to say about marv, I don't think he is a liar. If he said he was off playing a board game with his SO's family, he was probably off playing a board game.
Basically the timing of his claim is a null tell.
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Another thing I am concerned about with marv's claim, though, is WHO THE FUCK IS MANDY? Mom is a recognizable person. Inspector Gadget is a cartoon. Palmar claimed Jaedong. I know what my PM says.
Who is Mandy, though, and why is she a Slow Cop?
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Okay, I guess there are more notable Mandys than I realized.
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On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer why can't MZ and marv not both be scum at the same time in your eyes? They can. But I don't find it very likely. That's not not not what I asked. I'm asking WHY it's not very likely in your eyes Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely. Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad.
Okay, I just want to comment on this while I'm catching up with what I missed overnight.
There is a very important difference between marv bussing Adam, and scum marv potentially bussing scum MZ. You see, in Hero, Palmar was pushing Adam and he was right. A town Palmar who is correct gets his way, so Marv sheeped onto the case.
Don't get me wrong, people had talked about MZ a bit before Marv's case. But he wasn't getting any traction. Scum marv will bus when he has to, generally not before. Especially if the player is someone who isn't a total liability.
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On January 06 2013 02:51 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 01:42 Toadesstern wrote:
@Keirathi: I already told Kurumi I'm sorry and he said it's fine, so what do you think of me?
What did you tell Kurumi you were sorry for?
And honestly I have no fucking clue how to read you. So many of your posts make me cringe, but (I think) the only time I've ever played with you was CT and the dynamic was completely different than a "normal" game. I've casually read a few of your games (YANMM, LVII, seems like maybe one more), but not any scum games (again, except CT, but hard to draw parallels).
Who the fuck knows?
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On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>?
11 people can't all be scum, goober.
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On January 06 2013 03:32 tube wrote:
anyway we lost three cops, two of them for awful reasons so ill just let whatever happens happen
What does that even mean? That you're going to stop trying? You weren't exactly trying before.
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On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote:
Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum?
Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about.
A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time.
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On January 06 2013 04:11 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 04:07 debears wrote:On January 06 2013 03:56 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 03:51 debears wrote:
Ok. Quick question.
I noticed a certain two people suddenly picked up their activity at the exact moment that Marv ragequit. They started discussing with each other. I found it extremely odd that they would both happen to pop into the thread, after having little activity for so long, and suddenly take over the thread.
Considering marv's thread presence and ability as town, how likely would it be for those two to be scum? Maybe you could say exactly which two you are talking about. A lot of people started getting active around that time, because *GASP*, its wakey-wakey time. Ah good call. It appears one normally posts around that time. The other had not posted within 5 hours, but it would be a reasonable time to post based on location. However, I do see activity differences from both of these people in their town metas. Voting analysis will commence Stupid question: Why are you avoiding naming these mysterious people. In short, Idk who is scum at this point. I'm not trusting anyone with names, for fear of them being scum and misleading me. If I withold names, then scum can not know if I'm talking of their teammates
I can't imagine a town debears ever not sharing information, no matter how small or negligible. You push things at your smallest whim, and then change your mind equally as fast.
What gives?
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On January 06 2013 04:18 supersoft wrote:
1. Palmar is town.
I know, mighty BC thought differently, but I really played enough games with Palmar to judge him.
that motivated trolling in the beginning. After that the pressuring on derps like vivax and finally that case on marv.
... Yeah well that case was okay
Most important for me are the little things like: His spreadsheet says iamp is mason. Therefor town. Yes. That is absolutely correct! A mason that masons Palmar day1 is town in this game.
No scumteam says: "Hey give some weak players the masonability to talk to palmar" who basically is
a scumradar. (well, lol he failed a little recently, but they dont know that)
Herp derp, your reasoning here is terrible.
Of course if Palmar is scum and iamp isn't, he would know iamp was town. How does that make Palmar town? It makes iamp town, because of the reasons to said, but that doesn't say anything about Palmar.
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On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter.
I have definitely read your filter.
So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever.
Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons.
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On January 06 2013 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:43 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter. I have definitely read your filter. So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever. Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons. Which is basically a summarization of marv's case and the reason he would be a good lynch. I'm continuing on my streak of asking this question to people! Keir: What do you think of Sentinel and my case on him?
I already said what I thought of Sentinel, before your case. Your case does have some merit, but I'm not sure it pushes him into the OMG HE MUST BE SCUM side of things. I'm interested to see what he does from now on, though.
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On January 06 2013 04:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:43 Keirathi wrote:On January 06 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
supersoft don't compare my play this game with bureaucracy, I was the mafia traitor that game and so my play was really wonky. Also it really doesn't make sense that you wanna kill me because I have two correct town reads. I know I'm not playing a good game so far but I don't think you should crucify me for having 2 out of 30 correct reads. I've seen you and Palmar play a lot, I'm very sure I know what you guys look like as town.
Anyway I'm gonna present a case tomorrow. Who it'll be I don't know because like I said earlier, I don't have very strong reads this game. I ask that the next person who says "Yeah I'd be down to kill MZ" actually read my filter and not sheep marv's stale case. My filter's really short, it shouldn't be that hard. Just ask yourself, am I actually pushing a scum agenda? Am I actively disrupting the town? Am I shitting up the thread? Am I avoiding people?
I would guess probably 75% of the people calling for my lynch probably haven't read my filter. I have definitely read your filter. So let me ask you a question. With BC and marv both being town, what the fuck kind of agenda would scum have needed to push? They were free to sit back and do whatever. Which is what a lot of your filter feels like. You didn't really care if Palmar was getting lynched, or marv, or who. You just went along with the major bandwagons. I thought Palmar was town for the beginning and then changed my mind when I thought he was gonna try and hide in plain sight. But he pulled his shit together which meant I wasn't gonna lynch him. Especially given Marv's flip, I'm still a little uncertain but at this point I'm pretty sure he's town. As for Marv, I'm really glad he's dead. He's literally the reason why town hasn't done shit. His spamming and dickishness was getting us nowhere and making the thread a nightmare to read. When I find a target who I'm sure is scum then I'll push them hard. But in d1, with the amount of spam in the thread and the fact that I didn't have a stronger read than Palmar's case on marv, I was willing to go along. Now had I been active when the whole BC bullshit got started I'd have certainly come out strongly against that but that's all after the fact now and I can't use that to show my innocence.
That's not even my point.
You defended yourself with "Was I pushing a mafia agenda?"
With 25 people out of 30 voting for 2 mod-confirmed townies, what agenda do you actually think scum would have needed to push?
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On January 06 2013 05:55 Palmar wrote:
MZ is a good lynch, Adam, maybe cheesecake. Refer to my spreadsheet it's still mostly how I feel
Hellooooo.
I replaced Adam before the day even ended yesterday. Well before you ever left.
Quit being a dickwad and read the damn thread.
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On January 06 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Also marv got modkilled
Right. But we at least know he was reading the thread until well past when I joined the game. Even if he read up to the ragequit and then had to leave and never saw the modkill, he should still know I replaced Adam.
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I am Batman, the Vengeful Vigilante. I am shooting tube, because he has lurked and contributed nothing, and I don't fancy having him around later in the game making it harder for us to win.
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On January 06 2013 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
1KP:
Day Vigilante (Need to pick a member to get the role during the day during the night. Then he pms the host and kill is executed as fast as host sees it.)
No where there does it say you must post in thread. Certainly plausible, and also completely fucking imbalanced because it evades all night actions I think.
What night actions does it evade?
There are no town roleblockers, watchers, trackers, etc.
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