On January 08 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've removed some quotations to keep it somewhat readable, just read the previous cases if you want to know what it refers to.
#1:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
So, let me get this straight. You expect me to somehow prove that Iamp was talking about supersoft, when he very quickly and clearly responded to my post with a post from MZ, whom he said he was refering to?
That is unreasonable to the nth degree.
If you looked at the post I questioned, you will notice how iamp said "mystery person was posting from phone and would be back home later". If iamp said that he was talking of supersoft, that would be false. Supersoft never said that. It would make Iamp instant scum with supersoft (or mason with supersoft which isn't possible at this point).
Your question to iamp:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 08:29 debears wrote:ah kk ty. I thought you were to supersoft. Would've had you as hammered scum if you said supersoft. Anyways, I'm glad you answered MZ
You didn't understand what I wrote (and also explained to clarity): I said that it was obvious that a scum iamp wouldn't answer with supersoft upon asked since that would have obviously brought up some serious questions. It is you making that answer a reason to back off from him that I find him scummy. It simply looks like an obsolete thing to ask.
And that's not the only thing, could you answer why you picked supersoft out of everyone else when MZ said he would be back home soon on the previous page and Keirathi referred to that? It looks to me like you took things out of context here.
#2:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I stand by my point. If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded. So, it is much more likely Iamp would be scum at lylo. See I believe Hero with Marv living til the end. He was scum.
It's a very reasonable thing to say. For some reason, you find it unreasonable and scummy. What gives?
I am of other opinion here. I think using scum night actions as a way of stirring up suspicion on a player is scummy, especially since you try to do so without actually having intention of bringing up a lynch target for the current day. Again a way of looking like contributing and discrediting people who are viewed as townie by most people, at least that's my impression of iamp (being seen as townie).
Bringing the Hero argument and the marv analogy isn't valid here since marv didn't claim a shot. You're also saying
If the mafia lets a confirmed town mason live till lylo, especially a strong player in iamp, they are fucking retarded
You're implying that iamp is a confirmed town mason?But why did you write that NK argument in the first place then?
You think he's a scum mason? Did you post something that could make you think that?No?Right.
If you have a reason for writing that and still writing something against him based on scum actions then speak up, I'm listening.
#3:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:This (
Comment: the random lynch policy) isn't necessarily mafia motivated at all. Obviously there is joking in that post. Also, Palmar agrees with me
Your random lynching argument is a joke. Well, I didn't get it.
Isn't necessarily mafia motivated means it could be very well mafia motivated. Ok, fine.
Let's treat this simply as null then.
#4:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
I will lay off the insults about this point. Wrong setup speculation can easily be said from either a mafia or townie when the OP has been lacking concise rules.
Someone else already pointed this out, I already acknowledged that it's WIFOM. I still don't like that speculation cause it's useless for scum hunting, now I could say for either alignment, but mafia don't like to scum-hunt, town does
Let's give you BOTD on this as well, although it would fit so well if you are scum :/
#5:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2013 06:17 debears wrote:
This was a specific response to a specific question by hopeless. I have my reasoning spelt out. It should be pretty clear why me read was what it was at that point. You obviously didn't read my reasoning in my post. You are reaching for something to find on me.
Yeah, the specific response to the specific question was the answer to hopeless asking what you were implying by bolding two things while quoting him, which I referred to as shit-throwing.
Hopeless asked you if you were subtly calling him scum, to which you replied that you actually lean town on him?What changed about his posts? Exactly nothing, he just asked why you bolded some parts in his quote.You found enough reason to quote him and bold some parts to make him look scummy, but maintained an unclear opinion when he asked you about it.
More tomorrow. Gn.
On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote:
1) I could have possibly phrased it better
He found a quote from MZ saying that MZ was posting from phone and would be home soon within 3 minutes of asking. I highly doubt he's lying about that. Read plz.
Also, supersoft was around in that convo too. Look it up
No, supersoft didn't look like he was phoneposting at all at that point, please give me proof for what you're saying, cause I can't find it on my own.
1. Show me where MZ is saying that he's posting from phone.
2. Show me what made you think that he was possible referring to supersoft.
I'm quite sure you won't find it, and you should know that. The fact you're holding on to your mistakes in such a stubborn way makes me think you're very scared of admitting them.
On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote:
2) You are not reading at all. I said, if Iamp makes it to lylo, then lynch him. What don't you understand about that? For a strong player who is a mason to make it to endgame is fucking retarded if you are scum in a 30 player game
Which applies to the quote which you try to frame as a scumslip. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T FUCKING READING.
It's a hypothetical. Seriously. There is no way you are this dumb as town.
Again, you're misrepresenting what I said. It's the timing and purpose of that post, it leaks a scum mentality.
You're not writing posts about people who should be lynched next, you write them about people that should be lynched in a far away situation.
Additionally, you do so by using NK speculation.
Stop referring to a fraction of what I write and portraying me as scummy cause you defend against a fraction. Answer it all or don't answer it at all.
You didn't answer my question about your confirmed town iamp statement anyway.
On January 08 2013 10:03 debears wrote:
5) First, I didn't bold anything in his posts. He didn't asked why I bolded parts in his quote cuz I didn't. You are lying
You are right, on second check, actually it was Toad who bolded the parts. I had trouble seeing you quoting that thing without actually answering something to it besides your joke quote, so I assumed you bolded it. Gotta read better (='
Yknow it's funny. All I needed to know was: I didn't actually call hopeless scummy at that time, I just replied with statistics to his statement that he's not fine with random lynching.
But then, on the other hand, you made an extensive "I am slightly town and somewhat scum on you"-post, and that just doesn't fit with you replying to him with a joke-post, it rather looks like you felt pressured to write something to justify it.
Now you start spouting shit about me lying and being scum. That's overreaction, you can simply point out where I'm wrong without going berserk on it.
My current opinion is that you put quite a lot of points I saw about you aside, but there are still some old points that I'm not satisfied with after your answer.
I also don't like how you handled the whole thing:
You only answer to a portion of the points, and then call me scum after answering to them.
You don't acknowledge that most people saw these points as legitimate issues that had to be pointed out, else they wouldn't have liked the case right?
I'll reconsider your case during the day. Of all the people sheeping me on it no one actually bothered to look at the stuff they're sheeping, that doesn't make me feel easy about it, I don't want to do all the work >=(
EPT
