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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 11:29 GMT
#1447
i cant believe djo is making a case on VE for lurking when the player got replaced. I mean, use your head, he got replaced because he had no time to post or lost interest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 11:59 GMT
#1449
On October 18 2012 20:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
I was going through filters and this post caught my eye:

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 01:03 Mementoss wrote:
On October 14 2012 00:53 kushm4sta wrote:
MEMENTOSS hypothetically ON could be replaced right? Wouldn't that solve the problem?


Yeah it would, but the hosts don't seem to keen on it so Im not sure.


This post, regardless of his alignment, tells us that mementoss was of the opinion that ON is not going to be replaced. In other words, mementoss thought that ON was going to be modkilled. Why as town, would you want to vote for somebody who is going to be modkilled? It serves no purpose, unless you think the opposing candidate is town... which mementoss didn't. So it makes absolutely no sense for town mementoss to vote for ON, if he thinks that Sand is scummy (which he did) and if he thinks ON will be modkilled. Why would scum mementoss want to vote for ON, who he thinks is going to be modkilled? To gain towncred after the flip.

Mementoss actually gives a close description of what I'm talking about here:

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 20:48 Mementoss wrote:
Also, I'm gunna try to shy away from the connection cases with ON. Simply for the fact that ON was the perfect bus target. He was useless, and inactive so was guaranteed to get lynched eventually and gave easy town credibility on any one voting him. It also gives scum a chance who voted him, to shift the attention off themselves by using oh he voted for ON not to move on in this matchup, SCUM SCUM. So yeah, I'll take it into account when reading filters, but I think ON was probably bussed.


Here's a recap of what I'm trying to say:

Mementoss though sandroba was scummy. Mementoss thought ON was a null read. Mementoss thought ON was going to be modkilled. Mementoss votes for the null read who he thinks will be modkilled, instead of using his vote on the guy he thought was scummy?


I never said I expected him to be modkilled, I just said the hosts weren't keen on replacing. AKA it wasn't happeneing in day1/night1. Who would expect a modkill with a replacement list that already has 2 people in it? Im sure I probably implied it was possible, but why would you as town want to rely on host actions that are impossible to speculate about or ask about. I was just playing the game expecting no host interactions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 12:03 GMT
#1451
On October 18 2012 21:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
that's just my read of your thoughts behind that post. and I don't see how "not replaced" doesn't equal "modkilled"

so wtf else would have been possible


no action at all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 13:13 GMT
#1461
On October 18 2012 22:07 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 20:29 Mementoss wrote:
i cant believe djo is making a case on VE for lurking when the player got replaced. I mean, use your head, he got replaced because he had no time to post or lost interest.


@Mementoss

I don't understand how the following is a case about kurking...

Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 16:59 Djodref wrote:
Did you check his filter ?

D1/N1
  • talkative about the lynch mechanics but a lot less about the match-ups in general
  • kush and me on his radar then drops us (not even commenting my matchup against sandro)
  • gives his thoughts but mainly when people ask him for it, retaining info in general
  • too decisive to be true regarding his ON votes (R3 and R4) => he was bussing him
  • cast scummy shadow on prplhz for voting Sandro before we know this one is going to turn town


D2/N2
  • holds the potato for a bad reason => retaining info
  • not giving scumreads at the execption of prplhz (even if I get back on his radar)
  • disregards me and my questions
  • promise scumreads and disappear


I'm just realizing that VE wants to lynch austin. I don't know what to think about this...


Could have have some honest comments on these points ?


I musta missed that, but I still don't think hes in my top 3 people of lynching today. I already stated why I thought his day 1 looked townie. I thought when you re-brought him up you brought up lurking again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 14:02 GMT
#1470
On October 18 2012 22:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
time for an austin question

mementoss, pretend that you are an outside observer of this game. pretend that you think mementoss is confirmed scum. who do you think his scum buddy would be?


oh great an austin question.

If it was me looking in and I was thinking mementoss is confirmed scum I would say his partner would be scum austin in a masterfully beatiful QT collab.

But less masterful maybe mementoss/kush might make sense?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 14:10 GMT
#1471
On October 18 2012 21:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
kush talk about your #1 austin pick plz

bump this needs to be answered
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 14:44 GMT
#1475
On October 18 2012 23:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
sigh.... I am having doubts about my kush town read. Go read his D1 filter paying special attention to when he talks about hopeless, ON, and sand. His biggest reaction to anything that happened was when people started voting for ON... like he just completely freaks out about it. basically everything he says about ON during d1 is some kind of defense. Also, he layed down those 6 votes for hopeless in the ON vs hopeless MU. I know everyone is giving him lots of town points for being the person who basically hammered (not correct use of the word but you know what I mean) ON...... but scum kush LOVES to buss. It is literally his favorite fucking thing to do as scum. Go look at newbie xxvii where he spent basically the entire last half of the game bussing jacob.

Kush also didn't do jack shit during D2. He just made a post every now and then letting us know the game was won and we should lynch prplhz/da0.

My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush.

I know it's a shitty time to bring up a kush case but I have the feeling that a lot of people (including me) haven't actually read kush's filter because they've just written him off as town because of meta reasons.


I already mentioned this. But then I thought as scum why would he change his mind about me after re-read and defend me and then take up a case on you without any support.

Also, I can't wrap my mind around that d0ad list. It looks so ass backwards.

While reading this post I kinda got the feeling you wanna lynch into kush/djo for the hopeless ro3 shenanigans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 14:52 GMT
#1476
On October 18 2012 23:43 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 22:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me.
I'm kind of confused about this here. These are two names that jump out at you?

There are legitimate reasons you could connect them.

VE defends mementoss hard when popping into thread
VE likes mementoss's case on djoref

And probably other things you could find if you went deeper, that's just the last couple pages.

But you're proposing them as a scumteam because they jump out at you? What exactly does that mean?


To expand on this, what in the serious fuck thrawn? You went through list eliminating people you thought were town, and you didn't eliminate me and hiro. But earlier why did you say this:

On October 18 2012 16:31 thrawn2112 wrote:

Austin's case against mementoss is quite good. However recently mementoss has been townie as hell. I'd like to see more discussion about djo because recently there's been several things pointed out about him, and we've basically been ignoring him all game.



Actually, better question thrawn. Why haven't you taken a serious stance all day? You just been flopping around commenting on everything and not taking a hard stance to push.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 14:55 GMT
#1478
also wifom thought,
I know a slight majority of people wanted prplhz over da0d.
But why wasn't scum squirming when there was 2 candidates and scum was one of them?
Or they coulda just told da0d to make a case so everyone was like lol fuck it lynch prphlz, da0d is actually trying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 14:57 GMT
#1479
Yeah thrawn, thats the post I was talking about that you brought up, why did you go from no loop holes and djo/kush and than now you don't want to lynch into them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 14:59 GMT
#1480
VE HomeWork

Read this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945&currentpage=62#1233

Answer this question:
Do you agree with it? Yes or No / little explanation why.

If yes:
I want a detailed opinion on Kush and Djo supported by their filter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 15:01 GMT
#1484
EBWOP:

More VE homework:
What do you think of my backing off of austin based on this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945&currentpage=67#1339

Answer this question:
Do you agree with it? Does it change your view on austins alignment? Why/Why not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 15:02 GMT
#1486
On October 18 2012 23:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
I like flopping, I don't care if it makes me look bad, I'll point out anything that looks suspicious regardless of how many people I end up talking about and I'll take a hard stance once I'm convinced I'm right. Is it the most townie way to play? No but I care less about how townie I look and more about figuring out who's scum.

D1 was pretty stupid because all we learned was that ON is scum and hopeless is prob town, and D2 was spent going "lolz prp/da0 are last two scum." So we haven't exactly had the most pro-town atmosphere in which to make solid reads.


D1: Yeah I guess lynching scum is stupid........ /sarcasm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 17:03 GMT
#1502
On October 17 2012 05:33 austinmcc wrote:
Spammin' it up since nobody else is posting. I'll be around for the next 40 minutes or so, partially checking this while finishing up work. Then I'm gone for most of the evening.

ET. I would like to hear some updated...general thoughts on the game. D1 you had some nice comments about how un-theme-ing themed games generally helped town, some praise for sandroba's comments on how to scumhunt, some other generic thoughts like:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:
Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players.


We now know that scum let ON get into the final round, and let him get lynched. Therefore, they were NOT running good interference really, although they got sandroba close to being lynched. What does that tell you, in general, about the rest of the scumteam this game? Are they inexperienced? Do they just not like VE, so they wanted to get ON killed in order to not deal with VE replacing in? Did they run so much interference and influence so many lynches in the first 2 rounds that they simply ran out of gas and couldn't influence R3 and R4 enough?


I'd like you to comment on mementoss a little. Yes, you have posted on him. And linked back to those comments. prplhz flipped town, so according to your post yesterday mementoss was then one of top scumreads. Is this still the case? What was the towniest thing mementoss did D2? Do you agree with mementoss's case on me?


Also, I'd like your thoughts on the N1 kill. Sandroba made it to R4. He wasn't considered the towniest townie on townie town. Yet he was the first townie to be offed. Why? Does the choice of the N1 kill tell you anything about the scum team?


On October 18 2012 03:35 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:31 Mementoss wrote:
Alright austin, I know you think im scum, do you agree or disagree with my analysis on Hopeless and the Hopeless vs ON situation. I know somewhere in your fitlter you brought up that this is an important matchup but never went any further to discuss it.

Mostly agree. I even deleted a post calling everyone out because of your post.

I could not understand this morning why everyone acted like this was some new thing that had just been discovered. It was why ET was probably town. I asked Hiro a question about it earlier, because he said something that made me think he didn't udnerstand what had happened last second with hopeless/ON/ET. It felt as if that bit was common knowledge already, and I, of course thinking you're scum, couldn't understand why this was neat that you'd gone and found this information.

Either it hadn't been discussed as much as I thought it had, or people need to read the thread harder.

Right now, because of the hopeless1der/ON vote, I do not think hopeless1der is scum. I've already said that, and I also noted some bits of his D1 filter that I found townie.


This is a pretty big contradiction from austin. Saying what I said about the hopeless situation was common knowledge, yet austin himself didn't seem to think that way earlier when he says "its pretty obvious scum let ON make the finals". No thats not what I said happened. I said the opposite. Scum was actively trying to NOT let ON make the finals and then confirmed town ET ruined their day.'

Austin?? Am I reading this wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 17:04 GMT
#1503
On October 19 2012 02:02 kushm4sta wrote:
What the fuck is this shit I'm reading?? I have a lot of things to address.
First: Thrawn you were scum in LC right? It's over now.


first u should answer why Austin is your number #1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 17:19 GMT
#1510
I dont understand what the NK speculation is against Djo:

If anything its against da0d because both that died said lynch da0d.
Or against me because as austin mentioned they said I was slightly scummy to them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 22:55 GMT
#1642
Wait what the fuck

how did the votes change so drastically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 22:55 GMT
#1643
what is happening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 22:57 GMT
#1649
austin didn't you claim medic first
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 18 2012 22:57 GMT
#1650
I want answers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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