EPT1) He could be tunnelling me so hard as town because he really thinks I'm scum. Its not scum to be wrong. Alot of his points in his case are good. A lot of points in his case are bad. (NK speculation and dangerous townie espeically forced)
2) He could be using this over aggressiveness as a way to defend himself as scum. But why? Why would he go about it this way? Why would he spend all that time and effort to make a third case about me? Is my mis-lynch THAT important to him as scum? Does this make sense?
-> My mis-lynch would bring negative attention back to austin the next day, espeically being high on everyones list, and the fact people already brought up some WIFOM shit y r u not dead yet?
-> Wouldn't it be easier for scum austin to go with the flow with the rest of the town and withdraw his read on me and consider me town post hopeless post along with most people. Espeically someone he considers a "dangerous townie".
-> He couldn't push da0d the easiest target because of his defense on him all game, but there are definetly easier targets, aka "Hiropro" pre replacement.
-> His case, it seems far far far too agressive for scum austin. Compare his case on me this game to his case against me in aperature which he was scum:
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On October 03 2012 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
Concerning Mementoss Gonzaw, he and keirathi are sort of right up there with each other for the people I'm considering for active scum.
It's a couple little things:
(1) His comments on me feel slightly forcedI can't see what Drazerk is saying. I think the game is getting off to a good start. I don't explain why the unvote isn't scummy well enough for mementoss's liking. I lack logic. I am trying to make Drazerk look bad.
I addres some of those points here:
See GSL Open II for slow start, which I'd just been killed in. See Drazerk's vote for an option that Keirathi was an "idiot," yet he never really addressed why he was dismissing that option and finding Keirathi to be third party. At least not that I've seen.
Note also that in this post I say I didn't find Keirathi's conduct scummy. I say this. I didn't find Keirathi's early play scummy.
(2) By the time mementoss posts this, I was finding Keirathi scummy because of the EXPLANATION that he was giving for his mattchew vote/unvote:+ Show Spoiler +
Ymmv, but I'm pretty clearly focused on Keirathi's explanations for the entire thing, not the ease at which he unvoted, which is what I was initially defending/not finding scummy:I'm not concerned with the vote/unvote in the posts that have happened between mementoss's case and this, I'm concerned with Keirathi's explanation for the whole Mattchew shebang, that he wanted opinions yet stopped before he got them, and then stated he didn't need anyone else's opinion.
So I don't get mementoss's post:
we may just disagree that I completely switched stances. Which is fine. I said I didn't find Keirathi's early play scummy. After looking at his explanation further, I did. I'm probably splitting hairs in trying to separate the vote/unvote from the explanation, but that's because I still don't find the vote/unvote with ease scummy, but I DO find the explanation scummy. They point in different ways for me.
But the bolded part here gets stuck in my head. I don't see any post concerning me "flip flopping." I don't see a comment in his initial vote on me about that. I don't see a comment at any point while I'm going back and forth with Keirathi about me flip flopping. This is the first time I see it, and I have no idea what it's referencing. This is ODD. It gives off scummy vibes, because it indicates that mementoss misremembers what he was calling me out for (not focused on actually calling me out, more focused on just making a case), or, the more paranoid option, that this is part of some planned attack and there's a post that should have come, calling me a flip-flopper, but never did. Neither option gives me a townie feeling.
(3) Then he's got this post as well:That post does read weird, because he's reading it seriously. Like I said to keirathi, + Show Spoiler +
Mattchew's question looked silly. I gave a silly answer. I am sometimes silly in thread. But mementoss pulls this up later:
Read my vote/unvote. I'm not sheeping onto iamperfection because Mattchew asks me to. I vote him as a JOKE, unvote him, and then ask why I should be lynching iamperfection over ghost/nisani, and why I find the three to be similar. I do not know how this is interpreted as me jumping on a wagon. If I were jumping on a wagon, I wouldn't unvote and ask why I was lynching one instead of the other two. I was joking and then seriously asking mattchew why he was on iamperfection over others.
Again, it's this weird disconnect where mementoss doesn't quite seem to be reading my responses. Or he just dislikes my responses but never really voices that when they come out. I misread him in Rock Band as scum when he was town, and I'm not getting as strong a scum read here, but flip flop posts that don't actually exist, not really reading my posts but continuing to just poke at me don't result in a townie feel.
This quip stuck out to me as well, just as very interesting:
(Mementoss, why is Gonzaw the N1 kill? I'd like to see your reasoning behind this statement)
Beyond that, I agree with all three of these:I remember him being around a good bit, I remember some posts of his, but I'm not sure that I would if he didn't attack me. He kind of blended in, and there were some major points (Mattchew trying to drum up iamperfection lynch, the JH discussion, the ghost/keirathi bit at the end) where he's just not seeming concerned. But yet he didn't move off of iamperfection, and attacked him early, and also responded to keirathi about iamperfection's meta.
A lot of his posts on me just confuse me. They don't give me a townie vibe, but he's picking up on things that I would probably pick up on as well. The joke-vote looks really odd when it's just text and I didn't put a disclaimer as to what I was doing. But it feels like he's detached from actually pushing me, just like he was detached from pushing iamperfection. And that "flip-flopping" comment...I can't figure out where that comes from. Am I being overly paranoid thinking there was some sequence of posts he thought he'd made?
I'm still more sold on Keirathi as the active scum. But mementoss is my secondary candidate, and if I'm being purely speculative, one of the people I could most see being third party. It's the only way I can really rectify my read based on his general play AND the fact that he voted for scum. So I want to keep an eye on him even though he voted iamperfection.
Concerning Mementoss Gonzaw, he and keirathi are sort of right up there with each other for the people I'm considering for active scum.
It's a couple little things:
(1) His comments on me feel slightly forcedI can't see what Drazerk is saying. I think the game is getting off to a good start. I don't explain why the unvote isn't scummy well enough for mementoss's liking. I lack logic. I am trying to make Drazerk look bad.
I addres some of those points here:
See GSL Open II for slow start, which I'd just been killed in. See Drazerk's vote for an option that Keirathi was an "idiot," yet he never really addressed why he was dismissing that option and finding Keirathi to be third party. At least not that I've seen.
Note also that in this post I say I didn't find Keirathi's conduct scummy. I say this. I didn't find Keirathi's early play scummy.
(2) By the time mementoss posts this, I was finding Keirathi scummy because of the EXPLANATION that he was giving for his mattchew vote/unvote:+ Show Spoiler +
I look further into Keirathi
On October 01 2012 03:18 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi, I'm a little troubled by this when I look back through your explanation:
When you unvote, you specifically note that you want real, meaningful opinions that people can be held accountable for. So you're interested in getting discussion going in general.
This seems to not match up. If you wanted people to give opinions, how was your goal accomplished when only Mattchew responded?
Now you seem to be responding to Drazerk that you were only concerned with Mattchew and not other people's opinions. The initial justification says you wanted opinions, now you don't even want them.
Back to wanting discussion.
Why the two inconsistent explanations? You may think this has been covered ad nauseum, but some of your explanations aren't really matching up.
Keirathi, I'm a little troubled by this when I look back through your explanation:
When you unvote, you specifically note that you want real, meaningful opinions that people can be held accountable for. So you're interested in getting discussion going in general.
This seems to not match up. If you wanted people to give opinions, how was your goal accomplished when only Mattchew responded?
Now you seem to be responding to Drazerk that you were only concerned with Mattchew and not other people's opinions. The initial justification says you wanted opinions, now you don't even want them.
Back to wanting discussion.
Why the two inconsistent explanations? You may think this has been covered ad nauseum, but some of your explanations aren't really matching up.
On October 01 2012 05:03 austinmcc wrote:
There's just a little disconnect there between wanting discussion and being happy to discuss Mattchew with others and then "why do I need someone else's opinion on my case." Like...if your case was meant as a tool to get discussion, then it doesn't matter much what mattchew says or how he responds, because your primary concern is discussion and not his alignment. His response gives you a starting point for MORE discussion, asking people how they feel about his response, etc.
Scummy motivation? Just look at your explanation, that you wanted to stop setup speculation and move into something else, generate discussion, because it would help town. RAWR, i am keirathi, the hero who saved town from a slow game, scum would never do that, feed me your town cred!
There's just a little disconnect there between wanting discussion and being happy to discuss Mattchew with others and then "why do I need someone else's opinion on my case." Like...if your case was meant as a tool to get discussion, then it doesn't matter much what mattchew says or how he responds, because your primary concern is discussion and not his alignment. His response gives you a starting point for MORE discussion, asking people how they feel about his response, etc.
Scummy motivation? Just look at your explanation, that you wanted to stop setup speculation and move into something else, generate discussion, because it would help town. RAWR, i am keirathi, the hero who saved town from a slow game, scum would never do that, feed me your town cred!
Ymmv, but I'm pretty clearly focused on Keirathi's explanations for the entire thing, not the ease at which he unvoted, which is what I was initially defending/not finding scummy:I'm not concerned with the vote/unvote in the posts that have happened between mementoss's case and this, I'm concerned with Keirathi's explanation for the whole Mattchew shebang, that he wanted opinions yet stopped before he got them, and then stated he didn't need anyone else's opinion.
So I don't get mementoss's post:
we may just disagree that I completely switched stances. Which is fine. I said I didn't find Keirathi's early play scummy. After looking at his explanation further, I did. I'm probably splitting hairs in trying to separate the vote/unvote from the explanation, but that's because I still don't find the vote/unvote with ease scummy, but I DO find the explanation scummy. They point in different ways for me.
But the bolded part here gets stuck in my head. I don't see any post concerning me "flip flopping." I don't see a comment in his initial vote on me about that. I don't see a comment at any point while I'm going back and forth with Keirathi about me flip flopping. This is the first time I see it, and I have no idea what it's referencing. This is ODD. It gives off scummy vibes, because it indicates that mementoss misremembers what he was calling me out for (not focused on actually calling me out, more focused on just making a case), or, the more paranoid option, that this is part of some planned attack and there's a post that should have come, calling me a flip-flopper, but never did. Neither option gives me a townie feeling.
(3) Then he's got this post as well:That post does read weird, because he's reading it seriously. Like I said to keirathi, + Show Spoiler +
On October 02 2012 04:12 austinmcc wrote:
Found Mattchew's question to be real but posed in a silly way (What is your read on iamperfection?). Gave him a real answer, but started with a silly beginning.
Found Mattchew's question to be real but posed in a silly way (What is your read on iamperfection?). Gave him a real answer, but started with a silly beginning.
On October 02 2012 04:34 austinmcc wrote:
Oh, no. It was meant as a silly response and vote, not that I'm finding him more scummy than the others. That question isn't "Why am I voting iamperfection? Let me tell you!" It was "Why am I joining you in voting for iamperfection when these other two look almost the same?" Not actually hopping on the wagon.
Oh, no. It was meant as a silly response and vote, not that I'm finding him more scummy than the others. That question isn't "Why am I voting iamperfection? Let me tell you!" It was "Why am I joining you in voting for iamperfection when these other two look almost the same?" Not actually hopping on the wagon.
Mattchew's question looked silly. I gave a silly answer. I am sometimes silly in thread. But mementoss pulls this up later:
Read my vote/unvote. I'm not sheeping onto iamperfection because Mattchew asks me to. I vote him as a JOKE, unvote him, and then ask why I should be lynching iamperfection over ghost/nisani, and why I find the three to be similar. I do not know how this is interpreted as me jumping on a wagon. If I were jumping on a wagon, I wouldn't unvote and ask why I was lynching one instead of the other two. I was joking and then seriously asking mattchew why he was on iamperfection over others.
Again, it's this weird disconnect where mementoss doesn't quite seem to be reading my responses. Or he just dislikes my responses but never really voices that when they come out. I misread him in Rock Band as scum when he was town, and I'm not getting as strong a scum read here, but flip flop posts that don't actually exist, not really reading my posts but continuing to just poke at me don't result in a townie feel.
This quip stuck out to me as well, just as very interesting:
(Mementoss, why is Gonzaw the N1 kill? I'd like to see your reasoning behind this statement)
Beyond that, I agree with all three of these:I remember him being around a good bit, I remember some posts of his, but I'm not sure that I would if he didn't attack me. He kind of blended in, and there were some major points (Mattchew trying to drum up iamperfection lynch, the JH discussion, the ghost/keirathi bit at the end) where he's just not seeming concerned. But yet he didn't move off of iamperfection, and attacked him early, and also responded to keirathi about iamperfection's meta.
A lot of his posts on me just confuse me. They don't give me a townie vibe, but he's picking up on things that I would probably pick up on as well. The joke-vote looks really odd when it's just text and I didn't put a disclaimer as to what I was doing. But it feels like he's detached from actually pushing me, just like he was detached from pushing iamperfection. And that "flip-flopping" comment...I can't figure out where that comes from. Am I being overly paranoid thinking there was some sequence of posts he thought he'd made?
I'm still more sold on Keirathi as the active scum. But mementoss is my secondary candidate, and if I'm being purely speculative, one of the people I could most see being third party. It's the only way I can really rectify my read based on his general play AND the fact that he voted for scum. So I want to keep an eye on him even though he voted iamperfection.
-> Read austin in the QT of that game, he was careful, calculated. Hell he was conservative. Reading the QT the mentality of his tunneling against me, it feels different. Did he do this on purpose as scum? Risky as fuck, espeically being a man down already. Also the way harder route.
IRC:
On October 12 2012 08:56 HiroPro wrote:
Aperture IRC Logs:
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[14:38] <austinmcc> test test
01[14:41] <@HiroPro> sup
[14:42] <austinmcc> not much, responding to keirathi i guess
[14:43] <austinmcc> don't terribly want to drop a vote on him right now, i usually vote pretty late, but I think his explanation has holes to poke at
01[14:43] <@HiroPro> yea
[14:43] <austinmcc> everything so different from this alignment
01[14:43] <@HiroPro> but it's like really nitpicking
[14:43] <austinmcc> it is, but i've actually done it before
[14:44] <austinmcc> i caught talismania in a game where he suggested some plan to get everyone active and then fumbled with the reasons he wanted to do that
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> eh do what you think is right for you I guess
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> s&b man
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> that guy could be third party
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> gonzaw looks kinda weird also
[14:45] <austinmcc> snb was REALLY inactive in GSL 2
[14:45] <austinmcc> was travelling or something, i'm unsure how active he is
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> yea, but like drazerk's point is valid
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> s&b has played so many games with drazerk
[14:45] <austinmcc> yeah
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> he knows by now that draz will hunt for third parties
[14:45] <austinmcc> bah, drazerk doesn't hunt for third parties, drazerk hunts for HIMSELF. Always rolling third party
01[14:46] <@HiroPro> lol true
[14:46] <austinmcc> it seems like we've got too much KP for a third party
[14:46] <austinmcc> actually, i have nothing to base that on
01[14:46] <@HiroPro> nah i don't think so. everyone in town will have a role
[14:47] <austinmcc> gonzaw said he was busy for a few days, snb may be busy, got a couple lurkers
[14:47] <austinmcc> trying to think who poses the biggest threat
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> "Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that.
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> "
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> rofl
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> i feel good
[14:47] <austinmcc> haha
[14:48] <austinmcc> i haven't played with town drazerk in a real game i don't think
[14:48] <austinmcc> nor with nisani
[14:48] <austinmcc> nor much with ghost
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> i played with town draz in bastard 2
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> nisani was town also in that game, ghost 3rd party
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> might want to check it out if you have time since it's a very heavy themed game also
[14:48] <austinmcc> okay, I'll reread that over the week
[14:49] <austinmcc> i read it as it was played, but i'll refresh
[14:50] <austinmcc> Dunno if Jingle will be tunnely this game or will try to help out
01[14:50] <@HiroPro> well i'm not too familiar with him, but if ptp3 is anything to go by, he's not a threat at all
[14:51] <austinmcc> yeah. That can't be his normal play though
[14:51] <austinmcc> he's been in a few newbies, and I think he was standoffish in a couple but not all
01[14:51] <@HiroPro> i remember someone coming into the ban list thread to complain about him while the game was ongoing
01[14:51] <@HiroPro> might have been shady
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> if gonzaw has time he can be dangerous
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> no one will listen to him, but draz picks up on things
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> ghost and s&b can be decent
01[14:53] <@HiroPro> mementoss too i guess
1[14:54] <@HiroPro> matt is really up and down, dunno what he's going to be like this game
[14:54] <austinmcc> yeah, i was remembering shady and jingle sniping at each other in the one game
[14:54] <austinmcc> hmmm
[14:54] <austinmcc> i agree on gonzaw
[14:54] <austinmcc> i guess we see how this game feels, but he's someone to take out before he can spam
[14:54] <austinmcc> although he also seems to get off track sometime and just clog up thread
01[14:54] <@HiroPro> thing is right now the game is kinda dead
[14:54] <austinmcc> if snb's super inactive i'm not overly worried about him
01[14:55] <@HiroPro> gonzaw is a good guy to correct that
[14:55] <austinmcc> yeah
[15:46] <austinmcc> ooooh
[15:46] <austinmcc> looks like we might get PTP3 JingleHell
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[15:47] <iamperfection> sup
[15:49] <austinmcc> nothing, just scummin' it up
[15:50] <iamperfection> what you think of my role seems like nerve gas will be the most usefull
01[16:25] <@HiroPro> ok i think i'll goad gonzaw into jumping on JIngle again
01[16:25] <@HiroPro> if he does that, the thread will turn into crap
01[16:26] <@HiroPro> perfection your role, uh, nerve gas is useful yeah, if we think we have a vig definetely use the 500 watt button and also stack it with austin's ability
01[16:26] <@HiroPro> that way they'll likely die instantly
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> what the hell lol
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> jinglehell actually dropped that just on 1 statement I made?
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> hrm
01[16:45] <@HiroPro> and i didn't even provide any quotes or games ol
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[21:11] <austinmcc> check check 1 2
[21:11] <austinmcc> i don't have very long, but i can hop in here for a bit
01[21:12] <@HiroPro> hey
01[21:13] <@HiroPro> wait so what exactly where you trying to say with the mattchew thing?
01[21:13] <@HiroPro> i didn't really get it
[21:13] <austinmcc> yeah yeah, it came out wrong
[21:13] <austinmcc> ugh
[21:13] <austinmcc> even in QT i misspeak sometimes
[21:13] <austinmcc> so
[21:13] <austinmcc> my role has an anti-bus driving property
[21:13] <austinmcc> if i hit a bussed player, BOTH bussed players get shot
[21:13] <austinmcc> so we know there's a bus driver somewhere
[21:14] <austinmcc> if we think it's just bus driver and not other protective roles, and that a bus driver would bus mattchew to protect him
[21:14] <austinmcc> then me shooting mattchew makes the most sense
[21:14] <austinmcc> hit 2 targets
[21:14] <austinmcc> but i think that we can't rely on no protective roles
[21:14] <austinmcc> and we can't rely on a protective mattchew bus
01[21:15] <@HiroPro> hm, so what exactly do you want to do?
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up
[21:19] <austinmcc> sorry, trying to also get back into another game, was so focused on this game today
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave gonzaw up tonight
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up tonight
[21:20] <austinmcc> i'm down with a memntoss kill\
[21:20] <austinmcc> killing Crossfire is a waste. snb is a waste (but could be fun for sheer oddness). JH is a waste. Nisani is a waste. That's 6 people entirely out if you count us out
01[21:20] <@HiroPro> drazerk is pointless.
[21:20] <austinmcc> leaves ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, drazerk, keirathi, mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> i agree with drazerk, and there are some suspicions on him as well
[21:21] <austinmcc> so ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, keirathi, mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> i don't think we should shoot ghost
[21:21] <austinmcc> or gonzaw or matt
[21:21] <austinmcc> i kind of come down to keirathi or mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> for the actual factional KP
01[21:21] <@HiroPro> definetely prefer shooting mementoss
01[21:22] <@HiroPro> keirathi has actual suspicion on him and is kind of zoned in on nisani
[21:22] <austinmcc> agree as well
[21:22] <austinmcc> we're all good on factional then. And I don't think mementoss seems like a good protect target or anything tonight
[21:23] <austinmcc> as for my shot, i've never actually been lynched, so I think I can avoid it
[21:23] <austinmcc> at least for tomorrow
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> ok we need that
[21:23] <austinmcc> so we need someone we want to kill next night
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> the burn then right
[21:23] <austinmcc> i don't think we can possibly aim at someone being bussed
[21:23] <austinmcc> it's just a .5 KP shot
[21:23] <austinmcc> so i can fire 2x on one guy
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> no but it's free right?
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> you can use it twice in one night?
[21:24] <austinmcc> ach night you may target a player and fire .5 silent kp at them (target will not be notified they were hit or protected from a hit). If the target is bussed with another player, both players will take the .5 kp because portals don't care about bullets.
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yea you can't save that shot
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> you need to fire 0.5 each night
[21:24] <austinmcc> yeah, but it won't kill until tomorrow
[21:24] <austinmcc> so we've got to slightly think ahead
[21:24] <austinmcc> i could want mattchew or gonzaw gone after 2 days maybe
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yes
[21:24] <austinmcc> i'm also slightly worried about some of the oblivious town players
01[21:25] <@HiroPro> well i think i can manipulate gonzaw
[21:25] <austinmcc> JH is super duper towny to me but maybe not to others
01[21:25] <@HiroPro> doesn't matter if he is townie or not
[21:25] <austinmcc> and Crossfire looks townie to me, if i'm viewing things objectively
[21:25] <austinmcc> well, it matters late
[21:25] <austinmcc> you're our best chance for endgame
[21:25] <austinmcc> and you're set up well
[21:25] <austinmcc> but if it's you and the two of them left
1[21:25] <@HiroPro> jh is so irritating and obssesed with himself that townies will suspect him
[21:25] <austinmcc> i'd be lynching you in a heartbeat
[21:26] <austinmcc> because they're so silly and towny. Everyone else might feel otherwise though and want to lynch JH for being JH
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm going to go into endgame with crossfire and drazerk
[21:26] <austinmcc> lol
[21:26] <austinmcc> i wouldn't be surprised to see someone take drazerk out before then
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> yea it's possible
[21:26] <austinmcc> or at the very least someone can bring up lynching him for the good of endgame
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> fine i'll take gonzaw and jingle lol
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm not scared of gonzaw
01[21:27] <@HiroPro> matt might still be able to figure me out
[21:27] <austinmcc> i'll be interested to read the thread if you guys are the final 3...
01[21:27] <@HiroPro> oh man that shit would be awesome lol
[21:27] <austinmcc> i'm not overly scared about gonzaw either, but he's more threatening right now than someone like snb
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> yea s&b will get lynched
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> the guy has no thread presence
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> he came in today close to the lynch and all he said was drazerk is scum
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> didn't say a word about perfection
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> that kind of stuff will seem really scummy
[21:28] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:29] <austinmcc> he's been entirely missing the last couple games i've played with him, while he was at CERN or coming back
01[21:29] <@HiroPro> nisani can be lynched too i think
[21:30] <austinmcc> i think nisani, snb, drazerk, JH without me on the vote, and even maybe ghost/keirathi can be lynched
[21:31] <austinmcc> gonzaw has some neat little suspicions on ghost, but i don't know that they'll catch. Keirathi had that comment about iamperfection looking townie off meta
[21:31] <austinmcc> which added to his other stuff makes him feel lynchable
[21:31] <austinmcc> also, gonzaw and ghost seem to find him scummy, and iamperfection's flip shouldn't make him seem more townie, even if they don't care about his iamperfection read
01[21:31] <@HiroPro> yes
1[21:32] <@HiroPro> so who's the burn target? matt? crossfire? gonzaw? i'm leaning to matt
01[21:33] <@HiroPro> actually the frame might be even more important
01[21:33] <@HiroPro> if I can just try to figure out who the cop would target
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> probably nisani/s&b/drazerk right?
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> well you and kei are possibilities too
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> but my frame only makes people look guilty, not inno
[21:35] <austinmcc> i don't see a cop checking snb N1
[21:35] <austinmcc> I could see cop checking nisani, drazerk, me, kei
01[21:36] <@HiroPro> we need to breadcrumb hunt
01[21:36] <@HiroPro> ugh it's so tiresome lol
[21:37] <austinmcc> i don't even know how you'd crumb in this game
[21:37] <austinmcc> i guess you can crumb the equivalent of your role in a normal
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> they'll do names
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> or yea equivalents
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> names of people
[21:37] <austinmcc> like if I crumb some portal word
[21:38] <austinmcc> nobody knows what that would be
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> names of people
[21:38] <austinmcc> but yeah, crumbing targets and equivalents
[21:38] <austinmcc> also, i'm guessing there are a lot of roles
[21:38] <austinmcc> everyone loved aperture for the roles
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yea def and we have no rber left lol
[21:38] <austinmcc> people will be so disappointed if they join Aperture 2 and get no role
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yep
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> i bet there's one troll green though
01[21:39] <@HiroPro> like the lemon thing
01[21:39] <@HiroPro> or the one that got a report of who was going to die at night at the daypost
[21:40] <austinmcc> i'm going to shoot matt i think
[21:40] <austinmcc> either matt or snb/crossfire
[21:40] <austinmcc> if one of those two die
[21:40] <austinmcc> i can claim vig or something, weeding out lurkers
[21:40] <austinmcc> or weeding out people we don't want in endgame
01[21:40] <@HiroPro> you can't claim vig, we only have 1 kp itll be too obvious
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> oh wait
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> yes you can
[21:41] <austinmcc> yeah
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> but its not a good idea
[21:41] <austinmcc> i held my shot N1
[21:41] <austinmcc> or
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> like role!=alignment
[21:41] <austinmcc> i couldn't shoot til x
[21:41] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:41] <austinmcc> but
[21:41] <austinmcc> how you use the role can show alignment
[21:41] <austinmcc> why would scum weed out a lurker
[21:41] <austinmcc> that town didn't want to take to endgame, but probably wasn't going to lynch
[21:41] <austinmcc> why wouldn't scum kill a stronger town player
[21:42] <austinmcc> i only like those as kill options because I think they provide a strong argument that the use of the role is townie
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> not crossfire
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> people would lynch you if you claimed that
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> cause he voted for perfection
[21:42] <austinmcc> yeah, true. only gonzaw suspicious of him
[21:42] <austinmcc> remember he didn't know it was plurality
[21:43] <austinmcc> so gonzaw's right, even though silly, about crossfire's vote not being a great towntell
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> no but someone will go, "that's a sign of him not having teammates to tell"
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> which is true
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> like if your teammate is up for lynch
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> you're going to know the damn voting rules
[21:43] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:43] <austinmcc> okay so
[21:43] <austinmcc> mattchew or snb
[21:44] <austinmcc> mattchew gets rid of townie. mattchew might be protected. mattchew might also be bussed
[21:44] <austinmcc> actually, i don't care AT ALL about bussing
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> wait your thing will have flavor dude i just realized
[21:44] <austinmcc> because i only do .5 kp. Horribly unlikely i'd be able to finish the person off
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> like if someone cross checks with aperture 1
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> they'll think you're scum
[21:44] <austinmcc> sure
[21:44] <austinmcc> sure
[21:44] <austinmcc> well, less sure there
[21:45] <austinmcc> i can claim to be a converted sentry gun
[21:45] <austinmcc> or whatever else
01[21:45] <@HiroPro> -_-
[21:45] <austinmcc> like...i can either claim a slightly different name
[21:45] <austinmcc> converted sentry
[21:45] <austinmcc> huggably soft sentry gun
01[21:45] <@HiroPro> that sounds so dumb lol
[21:45] <austinmcc> renegade sentry gun
[21:45] <austinmcc> this is how my mind thinks lol
[21:46] <austinmcc> or claim like...sentry gun remote
[21:46] <austinmcc> i dunno
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> wait so we have 12 people right
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> 11 after tonight
[21:47] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:47] <austinmcc> asked grey in QT about kill flavors
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> how many mislynches do we need?
[21:47] <austinmcc> if it just says "x got shot" and not "x got shot by a sentry turret" then kill flavor won't matter
[21:47] <austinmcc> even like "riddled full of holes" is fine
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> yea
[21:47] <austinmcc> assuming no protects and no vigis
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> if your thing is flame
[21:48] <austinmcc> 11 tomorrow, mislynch 1 to 10, 8 with NKs, mislynch to 7, 6 with NK, mislynch to 5, game ends that night
[21:48] <austinmcc> my thing is bullets
[21:48] <austinmcc> i'm an infinite bullet sentry turret
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> oh ok
[21:48] <austinmcc> so that's 3 mislynches
[21:48] <austinmcc> to win
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> 3 mislynches?
[21:48] <austinmcc> assuming no third party
[21:48] <austinmcc> no vigis
[21:48] <austinmcc> no protects
[21:48] <austinmcc> no nothings
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> and we need 2 of your kills or 1?
01[21:49] <@HiroPro> 1 right?
[21:49] <austinmcc> 1 kill
[21:49] <austinmcc> the second kill would take us to 3 players left with 2 of us being scum, so we'd win whether i get that kill or not
01[21:49] <@HiroPro> i don't think we can get 3 mislynches if you shoot s&b
[21:49] <austinmcc> if I die before that last night
[21:49] <austinmcc> then we'd need 4 i think
[21:49] <austinmcc> okay
[21:49] <austinmcc> i'm good shooting mattchew
[21:49] <austinmcc> that's true that we're going to need good mislynch targets
01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yea
[21:50] <austinmcc> and i guess it frees up tomorrow night's factional for anyone who comes out too strong
01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yes
1[21:51] <@HiroPro> and ill carry out the kill on memen
01[21:51] <@HiroPro> my role might be an issue later on... cause i won't know what i show up as visiting
01[21:52] <@HiroPro> cause i copy the visits of the person who i visit lol
01[21:52] <@HiroPro> but it does give me their alignment so i should still use it
[21:54] <austinmcc> yeah. as long as you don't use it on me you'll come off town to DT checks. the only risk is...what. someone rolechecking the person you target and getting back your role
[21:54] <austinmcc> then, if things go late, you might get tripped up if a roleclaim was forced
[21:55] <austinmcc> even if you had a fakeclaim name, you couldn't really show you'd done anythign to anyone
[21:55] <austinmcc> that's so far out there that it isn't worth orrying about though
[21:55] <austinmcc> okay so
[21:55] <austinmcc> kill mementoss
[21:55] <austinmcc> .5 KP mattchew
[21:55] <austinmcc> i'll write a case on mementoss tomorrow
[21:55] <austinmcc> and some other normal night stuff
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[14:38] <austinmcc> test test
01[14:41] <@HiroPro> sup
[14:42] <austinmcc> not much, responding to keirathi i guess
[14:43] <austinmcc> don't terribly want to drop a vote on him right now, i usually vote pretty late, but I think his explanation has holes to poke at
01[14:43] <@HiroPro> yea
[14:43] <austinmcc> everything so different from this alignment
01[14:43] <@HiroPro> but it's like really nitpicking
[14:43] <austinmcc> it is, but i've actually done it before
[14:44] <austinmcc> i caught talismania in a game where he suggested some plan to get everyone active and then fumbled with the reasons he wanted to do that
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> eh do what you think is right for you I guess
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> s&b man
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> that guy could be third party
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> gonzaw looks kinda weird also
[14:45] <austinmcc> snb was REALLY inactive in GSL 2
[14:45] <austinmcc> was travelling or something, i'm unsure how active he is
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> yea, but like drazerk's point is valid
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> s&b has played so many games with drazerk
[14:45] <austinmcc> yeah
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> he knows by now that draz will hunt for third parties
[14:45] <austinmcc> bah, drazerk doesn't hunt for third parties, drazerk hunts for HIMSELF. Always rolling third party
01[14:46] <@HiroPro> lol true
[14:46] <austinmcc> it seems like we've got too much KP for a third party
[14:46] <austinmcc> actually, i have nothing to base that on
01[14:46] <@HiroPro> nah i don't think so. everyone in town will have a role
[14:47] <austinmcc> gonzaw said he was busy for a few days, snb may be busy, got a couple lurkers
[14:47] <austinmcc> trying to think who poses the biggest threat
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> "Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that.
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> "
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> rofl
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> i feel good
[14:47] <austinmcc> haha
[14:48] <austinmcc> i haven't played with town drazerk in a real game i don't think
[14:48] <austinmcc> nor with nisani
[14:48] <austinmcc> nor much with ghost
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> i played with town draz in bastard 2
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> nisani was town also in that game, ghost 3rd party
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> might want to check it out if you have time since it's a very heavy themed game also
[14:48] <austinmcc> okay, I'll reread that over the week
[14:49] <austinmcc> i read it as it was played, but i'll refresh
[14:50] <austinmcc> Dunno if Jingle will be tunnely this game or will try to help out
01[14:50] <@HiroPro> well i'm not too familiar with him, but if ptp3 is anything to go by, he's not a threat at all
[14:51] <austinmcc> yeah. That can't be his normal play though
[14:51] <austinmcc> he's been in a few newbies, and I think he was standoffish in a couple but not all
01[14:51] <@HiroPro> i remember someone coming into the ban list thread to complain about him while the game was ongoing
01[14:51] <@HiroPro> might have been shady
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> if gonzaw has time he can be dangerous
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> no one will listen to him, but draz picks up on things
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> ghost and s&b can be decent
01[14:53] <@HiroPro> mementoss too i guess
1[14:54] <@HiroPro> matt is really up and down, dunno what he's going to be like this game
[14:54] <austinmcc> yeah, i was remembering shady and jingle sniping at each other in the one game
[14:54] <austinmcc> hmmm
[14:54] <austinmcc> i agree on gonzaw
[14:54] <austinmcc> i guess we see how this game feels, but he's someone to take out before he can spam
[14:54] <austinmcc> although he also seems to get off track sometime and just clog up thread
01[14:54] <@HiroPro> thing is right now the game is kinda dead
[14:54] <austinmcc> if snb's super inactive i'm not overly worried about him
01[14:55] <@HiroPro> gonzaw is a good guy to correct that
[14:55] <austinmcc> yeah
[15:46] <austinmcc> ooooh
[15:46] <austinmcc> looks like we might get PTP3 JingleHell
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[15:47] <iamperfection> sup
[15:49] <austinmcc> nothing, just scummin' it up
[15:50] <iamperfection> what you think of my role seems like nerve gas will be the most usefull
01[16:25] <@HiroPro> ok i think i'll goad gonzaw into jumping on JIngle again
01[16:25] <@HiroPro> if he does that, the thread will turn into crap
01[16:26] <@HiroPro> perfection your role, uh, nerve gas is useful yeah, if we think we have a vig definetely use the 500 watt button and also stack it with austin's ability
01[16:26] <@HiroPro> that way they'll likely die instantly
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> what the hell lol
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> jinglehell actually dropped that just on 1 statement I made?
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> hrm
01[16:45] <@HiroPro> and i didn't even provide any quotes or games ol
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[21:11] <austinmcc> check check 1 2
[21:11] <austinmcc> i don't have very long, but i can hop in here for a bit
01[21:12] <@HiroPro> hey
01[21:13] <@HiroPro> wait so what exactly where you trying to say with the mattchew thing?
01[21:13] <@HiroPro> i didn't really get it
[21:13] <austinmcc> yeah yeah, it came out wrong
[21:13] <austinmcc> ugh
[21:13] <austinmcc> even in QT i misspeak sometimes
[21:13] <austinmcc> so
[21:13] <austinmcc> my role has an anti-bus driving property
[21:13] <austinmcc> if i hit a bussed player, BOTH bussed players get shot
[21:13] <austinmcc> so we know there's a bus driver somewhere
[21:14] <austinmcc> if we think it's just bus driver and not other protective roles, and that a bus driver would bus mattchew to protect him
[21:14] <austinmcc> then me shooting mattchew makes the most sense
[21:14] <austinmcc> hit 2 targets
[21:14] <austinmcc> but i think that we can't rely on no protective roles
[21:14] <austinmcc> and we can't rely on a protective mattchew bus
01[21:15] <@HiroPro> hm, so what exactly do you want to do?
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up
[21:19] <austinmcc> sorry, trying to also get back into another game, was so focused on this game today
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave gonzaw up tonight
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up tonight
[21:20] <austinmcc> i'm down with a memntoss kill\
[21:20] <austinmcc> killing Crossfire is a waste. snb is a waste (but could be fun for sheer oddness). JH is a waste. Nisani is a waste. That's 6 people entirely out if you count us out
01[21:20] <@HiroPro> drazerk is pointless.
[21:20] <austinmcc> leaves ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, drazerk, keirathi, mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> i agree with drazerk, and there are some suspicions on him as well
[21:21] <austinmcc> so ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, keirathi, mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> i don't think we should shoot ghost
[21:21] <austinmcc> or gonzaw or matt
[21:21] <austinmcc> i kind of come down to keirathi or mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> for the actual factional KP
01[21:21] <@HiroPro> definetely prefer shooting mementoss
01[21:22] <@HiroPro> keirathi has actual suspicion on him and is kind of zoned in on nisani
[21:22] <austinmcc> agree as well
[21:22] <austinmcc> we're all good on factional then. And I don't think mementoss seems like a good protect target or anything tonight
[21:23] <austinmcc> as for my shot, i've never actually been lynched, so I think I can avoid it
[21:23] <austinmcc> at least for tomorrow
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> ok we need that
[21:23] <austinmcc> so we need someone we want to kill next night
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> the burn then right
[21:23] <austinmcc> i don't think we can possibly aim at someone being bussed
[21:23] <austinmcc> it's just a .5 KP shot
[21:23] <austinmcc> so i can fire 2x on one guy
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> no but it's free right?
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> you can use it twice in one night?
[21:24] <austinmcc> ach night you may target a player and fire .5 silent kp at them (target will not be notified they were hit or protected from a hit). If the target is bussed with another player, both players will take the .5 kp because portals don't care about bullets.
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yea you can't save that shot
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> you need to fire 0.5 each night
[21:24] <austinmcc> yeah, but it won't kill until tomorrow
[21:24] <austinmcc> so we've got to slightly think ahead
[21:24] <austinmcc> i could want mattchew or gonzaw gone after 2 days maybe
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yes
[21:24] <austinmcc> i'm also slightly worried about some of the oblivious town players
01[21:25] <@HiroPro> well i think i can manipulate gonzaw
[21:25] <austinmcc> JH is super duper towny to me but maybe not to others
01[21:25] <@HiroPro> doesn't matter if he is townie or not
[21:25] <austinmcc> and Crossfire looks townie to me, if i'm viewing things objectively
[21:25] <austinmcc> well, it matters late
[21:25] <austinmcc> you're our best chance for endgame
[21:25] <austinmcc> and you're set up well
[21:25] <austinmcc> but if it's you and the two of them left
1[21:25] <@HiroPro> jh is so irritating and obssesed with himself that townies will suspect him
[21:25] <austinmcc> i'd be lynching you in a heartbeat
[21:26] <austinmcc> because they're so silly and towny. Everyone else might feel otherwise though and want to lynch JH for being JH
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm going to go into endgame with crossfire and drazerk
[21:26] <austinmcc> lol
[21:26] <austinmcc> i wouldn't be surprised to see someone take drazerk out before then
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> yea it's possible
[21:26] <austinmcc> or at the very least someone can bring up lynching him for the good of endgame
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> fine i'll take gonzaw and jingle lol
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm not scared of gonzaw
01[21:27] <@HiroPro> matt might still be able to figure me out
[21:27] <austinmcc> i'll be interested to read the thread if you guys are the final 3...
01[21:27] <@HiroPro> oh man that shit would be awesome lol
[21:27] <austinmcc> i'm not overly scared about gonzaw either, but he's more threatening right now than someone like snb
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> yea s&b will get lynched
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> the guy has no thread presence
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> he came in today close to the lynch and all he said was drazerk is scum
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> didn't say a word about perfection
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> that kind of stuff will seem really scummy
[21:28] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:29] <austinmcc> he's been entirely missing the last couple games i've played with him, while he was at CERN or coming back
01[21:29] <@HiroPro> nisani can be lynched too i think
[21:30] <austinmcc> i think nisani, snb, drazerk, JH without me on the vote, and even maybe ghost/keirathi can be lynched
[21:31] <austinmcc> gonzaw has some neat little suspicions on ghost, but i don't know that they'll catch. Keirathi had that comment about iamperfection looking townie off meta
[21:31] <austinmcc> which added to his other stuff makes him feel lynchable
[21:31] <austinmcc> also, gonzaw and ghost seem to find him scummy, and iamperfection's flip shouldn't make him seem more townie, even if they don't care about his iamperfection read
01[21:31] <@HiroPro> yes
1[21:32] <@HiroPro> so who's the burn target? matt? crossfire? gonzaw? i'm leaning to matt
01[21:33] <@HiroPro> actually the frame might be even more important
01[21:33] <@HiroPro> if I can just try to figure out who the cop would target
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> probably nisani/s&b/drazerk right?
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> well you and kei are possibilities too
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> but my frame only makes people look guilty, not inno
[21:35] <austinmcc> i don't see a cop checking snb N1
[21:35] <austinmcc> I could see cop checking nisani, drazerk, me, kei
01[21:36] <@HiroPro> we need to breadcrumb hunt
01[21:36] <@HiroPro> ugh it's so tiresome lol
[21:37] <austinmcc> i don't even know how you'd crumb in this game
[21:37] <austinmcc> i guess you can crumb the equivalent of your role in a normal
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> they'll do names
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> or yea equivalents
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> names of people
[21:37] <austinmcc> like if I crumb some portal word
[21:38] <austinmcc> nobody knows what that would be
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> names of people
[21:38] <austinmcc> but yeah, crumbing targets and equivalents
[21:38] <austinmcc> also, i'm guessing there are a lot of roles
[21:38] <austinmcc> everyone loved aperture for the roles
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yea def and we have no rber left lol
[21:38] <austinmcc> people will be so disappointed if they join Aperture 2 and get no role
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yep
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> i bet there's one troll green though
01[21:39] <@HiroPro> like the lemon thing
01[21:39] <@HiroPro> or the one that got a report of who was going to die at night at the daypost
[21:40] <austinmcc> i'm going to shoot matt i think
[21:40] <austinmcc> either matt or snb/crossfire
[21:40] <austinmcc> if one of those two die
[21:40] <austinmcc> i can claim vig or something, weeding out lurkers
[21:40] <austinmcc> or weeding out people we don't want in endgame
01[21:40] <@HiroPro> you can't claim vig, we only have 1 kp itll be too obvious
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> oh wait
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> yes you can
[21:41] <austinmcc> yeah
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> but its not a good idea
[21:41] <austinmcc> i held my shot N1
[21:41] <austinmcc> or
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> like role!=alignment
[21:41] <austinmcc> i couldn't shoot til x
[21:41] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:41] <austinmcc> but
[21:41] <austinmcc> how you use the role can show alignment
[21:41] <austinmcc> why would scum weed out a lurker
[21:41] <austinmcc> that town didn't want to take to endgame, but probably wasn't going to lynch
[21:41] <austinmcc> why wouldn't scum kill a stronger town player
[21:42] <austinmcc> i only like those as kill options because I think they provide a strong argument that the use of the role is townie
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> not crossfire
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> people would lynch you if you claimed that
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> cause he voted for perfection
[21:42] <austinmcc> yeah, true. only gonzaw suspicious of him
[21:42] <austinmcc> remember he didn't know it was plurality
[21:43] <austinmcc> so gonzaw's right, even though silly, about crossfire's vote not being a great towntell
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> no but someone will go, "that's a sign of him not having teammates to tell"
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> which is true
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> like if your teammate is up for lynch
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> you're going to know the damn voting rules
[21:43] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:43] <austinmcc> okay so
[21:43] <austinmcc> mattchew or snb
[21:44] <austinmcc> mattchew gets rid of townie. mattchew might be protected. mattchew might also be bussed
[21:44] <austinmcc> actually, i don't care AT ALL about bussing
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> wait your thing will have flavor dude i just realized
[21:44] <austinmcc> because i only do .5 kp. Horribly unlikely i'd be able to finish the person off
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> like if someone cross checks with aperture 1
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> they'll think you're scum
[21:44] <austinmcc> sure
[21:44] <austinmcc> sure
[21:44] <austinmcc> well, less sure there
[21:45] <austinmcc> i can claim to be a converted sentry gun
[21:45] <austinmcc> or whatever else
01[21:45] <@HiroPro> -_-
[21:45] <austinmcc> like...i can either claim a slightly different name
[21:45] <austinmcc> converted sentry
[21:45] <austinmcc> huggably soft sentry gun
01[21:45] <@HiroPro> that sounds so dumb lol
[21:45] <austinmcc> renegade sentry gun
[21:45] <austinmcc> this is how my mind thinks lol
[21:46] <austinmcc> or claim like...sentry gun remote
[21:46] <austinmcc> i dunno
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> wait so we have 12 people right
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> 11 after tonight
[21:47] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:47] <austinmcc> asked grey in QT about kill flavors
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> how many mislynches do we need?
[21:47] <austinmcc> if it just says "x got shot" and not "x got shot by a sentry turret" then kill flavor won't matter
[21:47] <austinmcc> even like "riddled full of holes" is fine
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> yea
[21:47] <austinmcc> assuming no protects and no vigis
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> if your thing is flame
[21:48] <austinmcc> 11 tomorrow, mislynch 1 to 10, 8 with NKs, mislynch to 7, 6 with NK, mislynch to 5, game ends that night
[21:48] <austinmcc> my thing is bullets
[21:48] <austinmcc> i'm an infinite bullet sentry turret
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> oh ok
[21:48] <austinmcc> so that's 3 mislynches
[21:48] <austinmcc> to win
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> 3 mislynches?
[21:48] <austinmcc> assuming no third party
[21:48] <austinmcc> no vigis
[21:48] <austinmcc> no protects
[21:48] <austinmcc> no nothings
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> and we need 2 of your kills or 1?
01[21:49] <@HiroPro> 1 right?
[21:49] <austinmcc> 1 kill
[21:49] <austinmcc> the second kill would take us to 3 players left with 2 of us being scum, so we'd win whether i get that kill or not
01[21:49] <@HiroPro> i don't think we can get 3 mislynches if you shoot s&b
[21:49] <austinmcc> if I die before that last night
[21:49] <austinmcc> then we'd need 4 i think
[21:49] <austinmcc> okay
[21:49] <austinmcc> i'm good shooting mattchew
[21:49] <austinmcc> that's true that we're going to need good mislynch targets
01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yea
[21:50] <austinmcc> and i guess it frees up tomorrow night's factional for anyone who comes out too strong
01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yes
1[21:51] <@HiroPro> and ill carry out the kill on memen
01[21:51] <@HiroPro> my role might be an issue later on... cause i won't know what i show up as visiting
01[21:52] <@HiroPro> cause i copy the visits of the person who i visit lol
01[21:52] <@HiroPro> but it does give me their alignment so i should still use it
[21:54] <austinmcc> yeah. as long as you don't use it on me you'll come off town to DT checks. the only risk is...what. someone rolechecking the person you target and getting back your role
[21:54] <austinmcc> then, if things go late, you might get tripped up if a roleclaim was forced
[21:55] <austinmcc> even if you had a fakeclaim name, you couldn't really show you'd done anythign to anyone
[21:55] <austinmcc> that's so far out there that it isn't worth orrying about though
[21:55] <austinmcc> okay so
[21:55] <austinmcc> kill mementoss
[21:55] <austinmcc> .5 KP mattchew
[21:55] <austinmcc> i'll write a case on mementoss tomorrow
[21:55] <austinmcc> and some other normal night stuff
-> The case on me that game was planned, and this time, it has been gradual and you could tell he thought I was scummy throughout.
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/FmyTwBWuTQ3H
Austin was scared of me in the QT. Austin does not feel scared. Austin did not take the easy route out. Fuck me.
I am sure Austin is town? Nope. Am I comfortable lynching him anymore? Nope. SHeit.
1 da0ud
2 djodref
3 hiro
4.austin
5 kushm4sta
6 Thrawn2112
7 Hopeless1der
8 mementoss
