You are not #1.
In point 2) I don't assume you are VT, you assume your actions were quick, while actually mafia people would actually need some time to discuss who they want to kill.
3) as you say in this game we can turn every single post in a perfect town read to a perfect scum read, depending on the initial state of mind.

You might turn green, I might turn red. Or we might be wasting our efforts if you are green as well. I could say lynch me I don't care I will be able to play a game with newbies, but I don't want to give up now, even if it would probably be more beneficial to me.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 17 2012 07:01 GMT

#1229

EDIT : you are not #2, you are now #1

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 17 2012 08:29 GMT

#1231

I guess I am so bad indeed and my arguments don't make too much sense either.
As you say depending on how you want to read a post you can make it say anything you want.

I will try to re-read the all thread knowing ON is scum and Sand, prplhz and ET are towns.

My point 1) against you is not valid either cause if i follow my logic, I am pretty scum as well cause voted for Djo (which i consider town) and Sand (9 times....) pretty bad.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 18 2012 08:32 GMT

#1439

Catching up on the thread.

I realized the less I talk the better.
From what I currently see in the voting thread I am on top of the lynching list (with Austin, Kush, and my votes missing).
I am trying to make up my mind for this round by omitting who actually bullies me because I am an easy target for a town or a scum person.
I am focusing more on other interactions like : Austin vs Mementoss, Kush vs Thrawn.

I am letting Djodref handle my defense. Will consider him as my coach (same as he says he had in another game).
I want to understand if it actually makes more sense for town Djo to defend misunderstood town Da0ud or scum Djo to defend town Da0ud.

1) Djo is town :
- if I get mislynched, he will get a lot of town credit and will be a potential target for the NK. However this will bring a lot of indications on other people's roles when re-reading the entire thread with two more known facts : Da0ud = town, Djo = town
- if I don't get lynched, we will be able to get more pieces of info depending on the role of who actually gets lynched.

2) Djo is scum:
- if I get mislynched, he will get a lot of town credit, he won't be killed overnight and this will be suspicious. Looks like a smart move, but he will have to put on a strong defense in D4 to save himself and even more depending on who gets killed instead of him overnight.
- if I don't get lynched, it might be a good move as well to keep me arround, because I will be an easy target to mislynch again in D4.

As a conclusion, I am not too sure about Djo's move here. I want to trust him as of now though.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 18 2012 08:53 GMT

#1440

EBWOP : As a conclusion, I am not too sure about Djo's move here. I want to trust him for now though.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 18 2012 14:37 GMT

#1472

I don't understand why people believed I could be scum because I did this scale ranking before we ended up having it for real in D3, but it was pure coincidence.
It was just making sense for me to rank people versus the others.

I have been reading more than talking, and not putting someone at the top of my scale for telling me i am dumb, bad and scum (sorry Thrawn in particular) - or you would all have been number one, Djo number 7, me number 8.
After all, I still want to put Mementoss on the top of my scale, for his changes of mind, votes, as I stated in D2.
I want to push Austin number two currently because he is the one that has the most chances of being lynched instead of me, and I know I should not be killed.
Not too sure who will be 3 and 4 between Hopeless, Hiro/VE. Hiro/VE has not been too very active, I could not find a lot of scumhunting, but has been decently consistent. so I will put Hopeless over Hiro.
Kush and Thrawn will occupy the ranks 6 and 5. They do bring a lot to the discussion and are the ones that make me feel the most how useless I can be sometimes. Scum people would not do that, it would not be beneficial because me behaving badly does create interference which is good for the scum team.
Djo ranked 7, he has made good cases, and did help the town to start changing their mind about me.

1) Mementoss
2) Ausin
3) Hopeless
4) Hiro
5) Thrawn
6) Kush
7) Djo
8) Da0ud

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 19 2012 03:54 GMT

#1711

Mementoss,
I am wondering if you coming 10min before the deadline in order to try to save Austin is not a proof of you being scum.
It leaves us not enough time to change drastically the destiny of Austin.
This gives you town credit.
However, if you don't get NKed now for being the only one to push Austin out of a mislynch, you will look even scummier to me.

I am trying to understand if it would make sense for the scum team not to kill you overnight if you were town.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 19 2012 07:01 GMT

#1722

@VE

What I said is totally in line with the paragraph of Djo's message.

On October 19 2012 14:12 Djodref wrote:
That's why we need absolutely to lynch one mafia member tomorrow. On the opposite, mafia has to kill the players with the most town cred (provided they are not mafia themselves) to increase their chances to lead to a mislynch.

Mafia would normally target one of the towniest people in order to promote a mislynch.
Yes my post could be interpreted as scummy, but you telling that makes me even more thing you are playing a double game.

I know my alignment and it sounds pretty odd to me for a town person to scream out loud to save someone at the last moment and remind it 10min after the lynch.
Why not pushing to save him instead with a structured case like Djodref did with me, way before the end of the day ?
I was on the top of the lynch ladder but Djo's case made me slowly but surely go down.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 02:43 GMT

#1841

Gg mementoss.
Sorry I put on the table at the beginning of N3 that you were the only perfect kill for the scum team.
The good thing about it is that you wrote a very detailed and convincing pre-death post.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 02:48 GMT

#1842

As we are so very close to lose the game we cannot miss the lynch today.
As everyone I wonder how did VE get a pass today.
If there was a blue role protecting him it would have claimed it by now.
I.don't believe either that randomly VE got immunity. Makes no sense at this critical point of the game.
I can only see the scum team doing this.
However as some stated even if we mislynch we might have a shot tomorrow if there is a funny D5 Lynch theme. In that case I will go all in on the non random part of the lych on VE.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 02:59 GMT

#1845

I do still believe Djo is town. And still keep him as favorite town.
I do concede on his statement that Hopeless is way townier than scummy.
Kush as opposed to thrawn very often has gone all in on some reads (like me/prplhz D2, etc) before realizing he was so very wrong when mislynch did happen. This could be considered scummy but actually he went with his town reads and conceded his mistakes.
On thrawn I have to go with Mementoss pre death case. His reads, decisions, changes of mind seem pretty much as incoherent as mine. But thrawn is nowhere near being a newbie like me who can be manipulated. He posts a lot to create content confusion, etc. I am being incoherent as well keep changing my mind. But I am on different time zone so this is hard for me sometimes to be part of the action and as a newbie I am an easy target to confuse.
One thing I have been coherent is me following djodref. If he is town as I mostly expect we will have a shot today at focusing on the right kill.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 03:00 GMT

#1846

Sorry for bad formatting and potential spelling mistakes. I am away from home.and posting with my phone.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 03:05 GMT

#1848

One thing on the lynch mecanics : could VE get lynched if no one uses their foe votes? We would all be in negative.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 03:10 GMT

#1850

Thrawn was supposed to be away for 24h until the post from mementoss incriminating him.
Now he is present and has a laptop with him.
Was that a scum trying to hide for 24h to lower attention on him who cannot do that anymore because he is the obvious lynch?

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 03:54 GMT

#1854

I agree with djodred.
As the friend vote is the only public information and it can be used on someone to disrupt the normal lynch process (the foe vote), it is anti town not to use it in a fair way so that everyone gets one.
The only solution cause no one can target ve is to friend oirselves.

##Vote friend Da0ud

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 20 2012 03:55 GMT

#1855

On October 20 2012 12:14 Djodref wrote:

Show nested quote +

Seriously guys, this is a perfect example why I think daoud is town. I admit that playing the newbie could be a strategy to survive but there is a limit to what you could be able to forge...

I am not saying that this will happen. I am saying that sating VE cannot be lynched is somehow wrong. He could if mafia was really fuking it up...

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 21 2012 10:02 GMT

#1876

I thinknwe should decide who is the towniest person left so that VE can put his friend vote on him.
I would like to say djo and get him to have an extra friend vote.

da0ud

Hong Kong252 Posts

October 21 2012 11:52 GMT

#1881

On October 21 2012 19:20 Djodref wrote:
Are you going to be around tonight daoud ?

What about deadline also ?

I am arround now (tonite for me).
What time is deadline tomorrow? I will try to make it in case of a big change of direction in who we decide to votw for.