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@prplhz
Do you have any intent to pass the bomb to me ? I would like to burn my hide but I don't want to really hide...
@daoud
If you really are town, doing it this way would not help us find the scum. They would just go on holidays and wait for you to blow up ^^ The only information we would gather at the end is that you were town (but are you?). If you play the potato game, we may have more discussion and it is going to help us to find the remaining mafia players.
On top of that, nobody can make sure that you are going to be lynched today. If you want to hold the potato until you explode, it's your choice, but I don't think it is a townie decision. It looks more like a caught scum behavior (retaining information for his buddies).
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On October 15 2012 12:32 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 12:21 da0ud wrote:
Guys, I know I am town.
If the majority wants me to get lynched, they i will have to go with it.
If so, just give me the potato and i will keep it until the majority asks me to pass it.
If I blow up, then you will see I was town. Who would you pass it to if we agreed that you don't have to hold it?
I would pass it to Mementoss or Hopeless, as they were the last two ones to participate in the chat during the night.
We were told that as soon as everyone was done with the night actions, the night would be over.
The order of people posting overnight was :
1) Thrawn
2) Prplz
3) Sand
4) Austin
5) Kush
6) ET
7) Hiro
8) Djo
9) Da0ud
10) Mem
11) Hopeless1
Mem with two posts only one at 11pm (HK time) then the last one before day 2 at 2:11am (a bit too close the Day2 official post)
Hopeless first and only post at 1:50am and Day 2 starts at 2.14am.
So i will put Hopeless > Mementoss as i always thought Mem was scum, but Hopeless was too me the limiting factor of the night decisions to me.
I will hence KEEP the potato until you ask me to pass it to where the majority (let say 5, i wont include myself) decides.
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On October 15 2012 12:51 Djodref wrote:
@prplhz
Do you have any intent to pass the bomb to me ? I would like to burn my hide but I don't want to really hide...
@daoud
If you really are town, doing it this way would not help us find the scum. They would just go on holidays and wait for you to blow up ^^ The only information we would gather at the end is that you were town (but are you?). If you play the potato game, we may have more discussion and it is going to help us to find the remaining mafia players.
On top of that, nobody can make sure that you are going to be lynched today. If you want to hold the potato until you explode, it's your choice, but I don't think it is a townie decision. It looks more like a caught scum behavior (retaining information for his buddies).
1) If I were scum, it is scumhunting to keep the potato.
2) I have given my top choices to who i would give the potato, if i were to decide.
3) I would not want to hold the patato, i said I will hold it until majority decides who they want me to give to. To me this is a townie attitude.
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Is it just me or is his reasoning for wanting to give it to me completely retarded? Why does he assume there are no blues?
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You didn't consider that town and mafia have usually both night decisions to give. There is certainly some town roles with some special powers to activate (or not) during the night. Using your power or not is a decision you have to make during the night.
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That gives absolutely no reasoning towards how me being last to post implies I'm scum.
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No I'm pretty sure he didn't know about the blues. He's a real total newbie...
@daoud
If the majority is wrong about you, you have to prove them wrong. If you are really town, you shouldn't hold onto the potato for these reasons:
- it's not helping you
- it's not helping us to get some discussion going (don't you agree that your move would help the mafia to retain info?)
- it's not going to blow up one mafia
- it's not fun
That's why I see you wanting to keep the potato as a scum move.
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On October 15 2012 13:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
That gives absolutely no reasoning towards how me being last to post implies I'm scum.
If you are present in the thread when the night ends, you are more likely to be the one who sent the NK. It's retarded but it could make some sense if you don't know about the blues.
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lol, we're on an esports fan site arguing about who should hold a virtual potato... just absurd
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@daoud
By the way I'm arguing with you about this because I would prefer prplhz to blow up rather than you. So I would appreciate you giving him back the potato if (when ) you are going to hold it.
So I'm officially requesting you to give the potato to prplhz if you can because I think he is more likely to be scum than you. You both look really bad but I'm not feeling like the both of you are scum. This game would be too easy and it's usually not the case.
And, in my opinion, you shouldn't care about what the majority wants if you are really town.
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I have some work to do so I'm going to hide right now. I don't think prplhz would like to give the potato to me anyway...
I would appreciate everybody to burn his hide.
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On October 15 2012 13:22 Djodref wrote:No I'm pretty sure he didn't know about the blues. He's a real total newbie... @daoudIf the majority is wrong about you, you have to prove them wrong. If you are really town, you shouldn't hold onto the potato for these reasons: - it's not helping you
- it's not helping us to get some discussion going (don't you agree that your move would help the mafia to retain info?)
- it's not going to blow up one mafia
- it's not fun
That's why I see you wanting to keep the potato as a scum move.
- it's not helping you : it is not helping me as individual, but i believe as town if i have the potato until majority decides what to do then it will be beneficial. (closer to a normal lynch).
- it's not helping us to get some discussion going : it is on discussing where majority wants the potato to move to.
- it's not going to blow up one mafia : I agree, except if i am mafia
- it's not fun : i don't know why it is not.
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By the way, is Mementoss still sick or he is sharing the same phone as OriginalName ?
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da0 if you are town then you keeping the potato does not help town.
why i think both da0 and prp are scum = they both want/agree to hold onto the potato. what town player would want the potato? no town player wants the potato unless they think they know when the potato goes kapow and nobody knows when that'll happen. why would scum want the potato? to gain town cred by pretending not to care if they have the potato.
da0 you should be talking about who is scum... and you;re going to have to try harder than making crazy night action theories. That theory did make a little bit of sense but it's all circumstantial and it assumes that the mods were hovering over the thread at the exact moment the night actions were sent in
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@thrawn
What do you think about everybody burning their hide ?
I did it already but I would like everybody to do it. Honestly I'm asking you because I think you would add more weight to this idea. So far, I have a town read on you and I would be surprised if it wasn't the case for everybody.
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Well first I don't think that somebody wanting to use their hide is too much of a tell. Nobody wants to get lynched, therefore nobody wants the potato, therefore people from either alignment would want to hide.
Now about everyone burning their hide.... I really don't know. I don't really know how it'll make much of a difference in who gets lynched, and only 3 people can hide between each pass of the potato so we'd have to figure out the order in which we all do it. I'm not sure we would be able to coordinate that so I'm not really putting too much thought into it.
tldr: idk/idc
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Let me put some of my thoughts on Mementoss down :
1) My first scum read on him was by looking at the way he could have tried to hide his action by being the one voting on the most people after round one and two. 4 different people including Sand who was town (two votes) and kush as well who is the one is consider the towniest currently.
He has been changing his attitude : voting kush in the first round and then not following it by voting sand in second round. Or voting Djo in first round and then switching it up by going for ET in round two.
2) in the finals he did probably hide his votes by putting them on ON when San was leading 20-0. Changing his mind later on and putting votes on Sand when ON was catching up would have looked too very odd.
3) He has never been attacking directly ON, kind of defending him on posts and saying San is scummier.
On October 11 2012 02:24 Mementoss wrote:
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Mementoss:
Town
2.
OriginalName:
Has been active after the game has started and chose not to participate in any discussion. Other than that nothing. Seems pretty scummy. Already ahead by 3 votes, I have no reason to use a vote on him right now.
On October 12 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:
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OriginalName
Lurking pretty hard as well. Only has one post with content so far. But it brings up some pretty decent points. Still he needs more activity into the game, looking forward to what his thoughts are on the other players/matchups. Null. Not voting either.
3.
Sandropa:
I don't like his posting at all this game. As others have said, most of his posting has been here are my thoughts and gives no reasoning. ET defends him with his meta in this statement:
"Sandroba is one of those super strong town players who is comparatively abysmal as a mafia player. When he's mafia, his lack of effort and interest becomes abundantly clear very quickly, sort of like Palmar but even moreso, IMO. Therefore, when he plays mafia I find that he runs active disruption to try and make as much chaos as possible until he inevitably gets shot/lynched. "
Which I don't know how ET thinks hes following this, is he reading the same game I am? I think if anything he looks like mafia meta this game, lack of effort and interest seem prevelant in this game, and no attempt to find any scum at all. I would really like him to go through and put some pressure on him to persue some reads. Looks scummy to me. 2 votes.
On October 13 2012 22:53 Mementoss wrote:
Also ET I know you explained it but its still fucking weird that you LAST MINUTE dropped all your votes on ON, after expecting him for a modkill, not having a read on him. And having a scum read on hopeless all of the first 2 cycles, you save him last minute.
Not sure which way I will be voting today yet.
On October 14 2012 00:31 Mementoss wrote:
I will be putting all my votes on ON unless he returns then
Sounds like a defaults choice, when ON is afk and lead 20-0.
4) All of mementoss argumentation is otherwise based on saying he is town because he used his votes earlier, he am concerned some people kept some votes and are powerful in the finals. Good way to hide the fact he actually doesn't affect anything in the vote. He is really hiding behind the fact he makes no difference in the voting decisions.
On October 11 2012 20:56 Mementoss wrote:
It bothers me that these 3 players have the most power in town
ON
Hopeless
Da0
None of them used any votes officially, and all have 10 votes remaining. Coming down to the wire any one of them as scum could sway the results.
On October 11 2012 21:00 Mementoss wrote:
If they're scum and that's their plan then they're pretty stupid because they'd be put in the spotlight for doing that.
Not all 3, but it is very possible for one of them to be scum, gaining 2 extra votes after the first round could prove to be a great advantage.
On October 11 2012 23:59 Mementoss wrote:
I will not make any deadlines.
And hopeless you look fine with the way you unvoted. I still don't like that particular players will have more influence on the final lynch.
On October 12 2012 20:50 Mementoss wrote:
I have the least amount of votes left. sheit. Everyone else is "saving" there votes, or voting so late that it doesn't matter so they don't have to vote and have all the power at the end. => this previous post is the climax !
On October 13 2012 22:52 Mementoss wrote:
prp: 8 Remain
ON: 8 Remain
da0: 9 Remain
Austin: 9 Remain
This^^ this right here is horseshit.
Apathetic voting up towards the last round is unacceptable.
I think everyone should only be using 5 of there votes
3 of these players alone trump the rest of the players in the game. Sandroba doesn't even have anyvotes to defend himself while ON has 9.
Actually, everyone should only be using 1 vote, and we can get some sort of real full out majority going where everyone is involved. For the people with 0 votes left.
##Mementoss vote "Player Name"
and I will use one of my votes towards giving you a voice in this lynch. I have a feeling scum has WAY too much control right now. But there is a possibility its too late anyways, this method should give more information to where people are at in their thought process.
On October 14 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:
THIS is what bugs me, your not strongly scummy on either YET you have 9 votes left? HMMM, I guess you shoulda used your votes to get who you thought was scum to the finals. You don't even give a shit.
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On October 15 2012 13:02 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2012 12:32 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 15 2012 12:21 da0ud wrote:
Guys, I know I am town.
If the majority wants me to get lynched, they i will have to go with it.
If so, just give me the potato and i will keep it until the majority asks me to pass it.
If I blow up, then you will see I was town. Who would you pass it to if we agreed that you don't have to hold it? I would pass it to Mementoss or Hopeless, as they were the last two ones to participate in the chat during the night. /snip Mem with two posts only one at 11pm (HK time) then the last one before day 2 at 2:11am (a bit too close the Day2 official post) Hopeless first and only post at 1:50am and Day 2 starts at 2.14am. So i will put Hopeless > Mementoss as i always thought Mem was scum, but Hopeless was too me the limiting factor of the night decisions to me. I will hence KEEP the potato until you ask me to pass it to where the majority (let say 5, i wont include myself) decides.
@daoud
Did you decide to not consider Hopeless anymore ?
Would you still follow the majority, even if they don't ask you to give the bomb to Hopeless ?
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@Djodref : I think after you post, my logic behind Hopeless being scum cause last one to act is pretty weak.
On October 15 2012 13:12 Djodref wrote:
You didn't consider that town and mafia have usually both night decisions to give. There is certainly some town roles with some special powers to activate (or not) during the night. Using your power or not is a decision you have to make during the night.
Putting Hope > Mementoss was a singular scum statement on posting times before day 2, not on overall posting behaviour.
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On October 15 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote:
Would you still follow the majority, even if they don't ask you to give the bomb to Hopeless ?
I want to go for majority, so if it (the majority) doesn't want me to give it to Hopeless I won't.
I want to have the potato in order to get a democratic argumentation going on for at least the time i have it.
However I agree it was weak for me to say i will consider a majority excluding me. As a vanilla town I should put my vote as well on who i want to give the potato to.
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