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More reason to go after da0ud:
First off, I think ET is almost guaranteed town because of this:
On October 12 2012 02:23 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:30 OriginalName wrote:Echelon: Truthfully speaking, started out fine even with that completely irrelievent "Scumslip" (Once again reiterating- it's not a slip) however after those nice starting posts he moves towards really low content uninteresting posts that are completely meaningless "IM HELPING TOWN" posts that show hes posting but adds nothing to discussion vote counts. In my experience, if I don't react strongly to accusations, no matter how inane or small, it just bogs down town because people are wasting time talking about me. I'm not mad; I just want to shut down your weak accusations now so that if you are town, we can work together without lingering misconceptions. I'm not seeking to shut down discussion, but I will be extremely dismissive towards cases on me as they are wrong, and in this case bad. This on the other hand REALLY irks me, he says he reacts strongly to accusations and then right after we decided he wasnt as worth it and moved on he completely drops off the map again. THAT friends unlike my complete absence is scumlurk, throwing of heat and then ignoring us. You have got to be fricking kidding me. Look at my filter. Then yours. I am being low content???? Are you freaking serious? No seriously, coming from THE #1 lurker of Round 1? I don't even understand how you can possibly argue this. This is plain old terrible disruption. You could at least try to look townie. You have done literally nothing to try and help town, and are easily my top pick for champion. This isn't your first game by any respect, you have no newbie excuse.
This interaction does not feel like a bus at all to me.
Given the knowledge that ON is scum, I'm town, and my townread on ET, I'm finding good reason to pursue a scum read on da0ud in this post below from ET:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 13 2012 00:12 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 18:06 da0ud wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Trying to get some reads/assocation of people from previous votes.
1) Only ET has been twice voting for someone he would face in the next round. Djo in the first round when he had a BYE and kush in second. If he was a scum, I would them believe Djo and kush are not. Because at first glance it doesnt seem logic to vote for your mate so that one of you for sure would advance to the next round. He is the only one who has ever voted on the next potential opponent.
2) on Mementoss : he seems to be throwing away votes on as many people as possible and of oppisite logic. Already voted for 4 people which is the most of all of us. First round he votes for Djo and kush to make them move to the next round on their respective matches. But when they move on he decides to now vote on none of them but even worse voting for their opponents in the matchups hence actually totally changing his mind on them and now backing them up. Should have voted again for them to follow his initial logic.
3) Austin looks too unconcerned after being saved on the first round, He hasn't voted anyone in the second round. Looks to me more like a scum who now hides to get us to forget about him. To me a townie, even saved should continue to be implicated in the votes in order to gather as much information as possible on other players.
Please let me know your thoughts.... 1.) I don't disagree with your logic, but an example like that shouldn't be a hard association. Remember those were early rounds; a scum putting votes on his buddies in those rounds allows him to distance himself from them (a good scum tactic) while not endangering them too much. 2.) I disagree; people can change their mind as the game develops, and Mementoss has been fairly open, and clearly posted why he changed his logic. 3.) I think the fact that Austin didn't vote in the 2nd round is a bit strange. Not a huge tell, but IMO townies should be involved in at least a few of the matchups per round, for the reason you stated.
Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 16:59 da0ud wrote:
H1 vs ON :
It bothers me as well that ON doesnt seem to care very much and has posted only a few messages. Most of them being useless (like his phone being dead for 24hrs, the panic votes). Since then nothing has been posted and I agree that it seems odd for someone from town not to participate in the lynching process as it is its only real way of finding scum. 1. I would expect even more a townie to participate if he is still on for lynching.
It makes sense for mafia not to worry about advancing if his accomplices do manage to save him at any future round.
H1 posts seems pretty coherent i am maybe too newbie to have a good read out of it. 2. I haven't played no game with any of you in the past, and i actually don't really want to because i want to make myself an opinion out of your posts and not ur behaviour in other games. This post is pretty strange from you. You spent a fairly long post (listed above) detailing your opinions on 3 players, in an organized listed manner. But when it comes to 1der vs ON, a matchup that actually is in play right now, you are much more unclear and hesitant. 1. This point doesn't really hold; you say that a townie who is still in the running for a lynch would probably be more active, which is true. But a scum who is up for lynch would also probably be more active, compared to if he wasn't up for lynch. While I have my own reasons for being suspicious of ON, your logic here is a lot less laid out then your previous points. 2. It's not ok to put down an opinion, then say "well I'm not so sure because I'm a newbie". It seems like you're trying to shy away from responsibility for your actions. Especially because you are more assertive in other posts. If you could make a more definitive stance on 1der/ON, that would be nice.
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gg sandroba.
So...we wait until Hiro comes in guns blazing?
Austin, am I missing something or does the potato just...blow up and we have no control/knowledge of when?
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prplhz, besides da0ud, who do you think is scum and why?
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On October 15 2012 08:57 EchelonTee wrote:
That is a good idea though. Don't hide or you get lynched.
1. If you're town and you hide, then the scum will just give the bomb to a different townie then you, no benefit to hiding.
2. If you're scum and you hide, then we will lynch you in the future (if we can lol).
The only problem I have with this is that the set up is closed. I doubt we know all the rules to this. I kind of want to hide for the hell of it, just to see what might happen. Or nominate players to hide if that works better.
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Okay then, prplhz hides immediately. Hiro passes to mmt. Da0ud hides. Mmt passes to prplhz. Prplhz plays hot potato with da0ud until it goes explody
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Okay. Would you like me to hide?
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Is it just me or is his reasoning for wanting to give it to me completely retarded? Why does he assume there are no blues?
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That gives absolutely no reasoning towards how me being last to post implies I'm scum.
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On October 15 2012 22:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@1der, any reason why you are refraining from doing anything today? What's your opinion of the potato shenanigans?
The general consensus (which I agree with) is that one of da0ud or prplhz should be lynched. Personally, I think da0ud is more likely scum. The lynch mechanic itself has too much randomness to it for us to make a proper plan. At this point I have no intention of hiding. If I turn up with the potato, da0ud will be my first choice. Beyond that, I'd be looking for scummy things from other players.
Things like MMT wanting us to ignore ON's flip to prove prplhz or da0ud being scum. They were both out in the first round. Other than the known information of scum flipping, it is extremely difficult to demonstrate scum motive for them when they are already safe from the lynch day1. The bulk of my read on da0ud revolves around his interaction with ON's situation.
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On October 16 2012 11:02 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote:On October 16 2012 08:23 austinmcc wrote:gg prplhz. On October 16 2012 08:10 Mementoss wrote:
kush could be scum as well This is still not contributing anything useful... at least I tried to get people off the tunnelling da0d and prplhz all day and wasting the day. I tried to get people to pass the potato around so that this wouldn't happen. I may not have had time to read through everything and flesh out some big thoughts. But I was trying to tell people to get off them and pass the potato. Without the potato passing people didn't have to do anything. we let hiro do nothing we let kush do nothing and "plan" the rest of the games lynches you'd think ET who had a townie status by almost all would do something other than lolz prplhz scum and post a picture god damn. The funny thing is in a mini its more than likely all these guys are scum. so anti town. oh well, lets learn from it and have a better day 2. I will look into hiro and kush specifcally before nights end. I doubt scum will want to kill me. But just incase. I would like to add that we also let Hopeless do nothing on day2. He has been on holidays since he exposed us his brilliant plan. @HopelessI gave you a second chance because your defense of my case made sense but I would have expected you to be less lurky and really investing yourself in this game after the brilliant plan. You doing almost nothing expect saying that prplhz and daoud were scum since then. I would appreciate you to shape up or I would have the regret to have to cote you again in the near future. @HiroWhy were you holding onto the bomb at the beginning on day2 ? And why were you active in the thread only at that time ? I want you to post MORE.
I'll work on it. I had a rare busy day at work that had me away from my computer all day. Nevertheless, I don't think there is much I could have done today...the lynch mechanic wasn't really used much and people insisted on holding onto the damned potato. I won't sit idle tomorrow, if I'm still alive.
On October 16 2012 11:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm re reading the thread and i'm suspicious of hopeless because i am seeing some weirdness in the way he talks about ON and ends up voting for sand. i'll expand on that later
Yeah I just read my own filter...I look like shit. Again. This time unintentional. Do what you have to do, I'm going down swinging if you come away with a strong scum read on me. I maintain that I wanted sandroba over ON. OriginalName was strictly a policy lynch. sandroba wasn't living up to people's expectations and there was a general idea that he should have been doing more and his inactivity was resemblant of his scum meta.
My reasoning was set from the time I made this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16533220
If I'd even bothered to return to the thread, swapping votes onto ON would have looked scummy anyways. Again, I look like shit because of all my deadline shenanigans in previous rounds. I wasn't here at that time. + Show Spoiler +I picked a bad time to get drunk.
For tomorrow, I would still like to lynch da0ud. He was a stronger scumread for me than prplhz was (and still is my strongest read), but I wasn't against either of them dying. I would have hoped prplhz would have been willing to toss it back and forth given that he was town, but here we are.
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who says mafia is the only one capable of killing? But I digress...you're still right.
Night ends after 24 hours from Night Post?
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On October 17 2012 10:52 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 09:21 kushm4sta wrote:On October 17 2012 09:16 austinmcc wrote:
Other options include worries about a medic, although apparently I don't look super duper town, blue-sniping on ET. I think due to lynch craziness there are no power roles. No one got rbed or anything right? One reason I'm thinking power roles of some sort exist: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 23:57 kitaman27 wrote:
In the interest of moving things along due to the extended day one cycle, you may submit night actions early if you wish. When I have received all night actions, the night cycle will end.You still have a maximum of 24 hours to send them in after the day one lynch is decided. night action S. When I have received all night action SShow nested quote +On October 14 2012 11:01 JingleHell wrote:
It is now night. You have 24 hours to get your night actions submitted to myself and Kitaman. If they're all submitted early, as Kita stated before, the following Day post may come early.
night action S. If they're ALL submitted early. We have not seen rb claims. We have not seen medic protects. However, we've only seen 1 KP per night, and the N1 posts make pretty clear that there were multiple actions to be received. Moreover, Sandroba made it to R4 in D1. That means he didn't look uber-town. Yet scum chose to kill him. Why? He's been known to be a dangerous scumhunter. If scum killing him was the only action, I would expect it to happen EARLY. He was killed because they were afraid to let him live, and killing him early in the night would be better than giving him time to get some night thoughts out. So the fact that night didn't end almost immediately means that scum killing sandroba was probably not the only action that needed to come in.
Alternatively, Kita/Jingle were just super busy, but I agree, I believe there is at least 1 power role. I'm not going to try to game the setup any more than that though.
On October 17 2012 08:37 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 07:51 Mementoss wrote:
Kush's day 1 play seemed townie, but his day 2 play had scum motivation all over it. Shutting down discussion while being active in the thread, and planning the lynch for the next day. Also making an anti-town potato plan.
Not proud of my d2 lol. But you have to see it from my perspective. I just wanted those bitches lynched any way possible.
Rest assured, I'm more likely to get lynched ahead of you at this point. I had the same idea you did and did even less about it.
Current reads:
1-da0ud
2-austinmcc
3-djodref
4-Mementoss
5-HiroPro
6-kushm4sta
7-thrawn2112
8-Hopeless1der
Of note: I really think da0ud (#1) is scum. I think austin (#2) is scum because I think da0ud is scum and austin would then be actively using his towncred to save da0ud.
djodref's defense of da0ud is piss-poor in my opinion, and his case on me is wrong. I don't know about Hiro, but I read Hiro as town. Based on this, djodref follows at #3.
Beyond that I am unsure of 4,5,6, pretty confident thrawn is town and I know my own alignment. Come at me bros. Preparing an actual case on da0ud, now that the lynch can be properly (read: predictably) directed instead of the randomness we had yesterday.
P.S. Mementoss gets angry when I defend myself. I will refrain from doing so until late in the cycle (~5 hours to deadline) unless explicitly told otherwise (for example, because people really need my response to make their read on me). At this point, my efforts are probably better spent finding scum instead of defending my farce of a game.
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Have you read da0ud's filter? Or understood the Day 1 lynch mechanics? Austin pulls 3 SEQUENTIAL posts out of da0ud's filter (page 2). Guess he just left out the scummy bits. The level of flipflopping is unbelievable. I'll refrain from the rest of his filter for now. Lets start with ONE post above where austin did:
On October 13 2012 11:03 da0ud wrote:
I wanted ON over Hopeless because of ON inactivity and actually ON has posted a lot of good things and but effort in his defense. There is more content to be expected from him to help us get a better read on him in the future.
I do want Sand > Djo which is the case right now. From what i said earlier I dont think either that Djo and Hopeless can both be mafia, hence at least we are saving one valuable town with constructive agrumentation.
-> da0ud wanted ON. Me and Djodref can't both be scum. Cool.
FIVE MINUTES LATER
(Austin's "defense" started here)
On October 13 2012 11:08 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:00 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote bombing ON, fuck it. I don't want 1der to die and idgaf between ON and sandroba, both should die at this point. Wahouuu I didn't see the 6 votes on Hopeless from kush and at the last second you actually vote on ON. Only looked at the update. Happy with how it went then !
EchelonTee votebombs at the last possible minute. So far so good, he's maintained his stance that he wanted ON and is happy I didn't get advanced.
On October 13 2012 11:10 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:08 kushm4sta wrote:On October 13 2012 05:14 EchelonTee wrote:
If you have a scumread, it's better to lynch them over someone who has a high chance of being replaced or modkilled. It's the difference between a coin flip and an educated guess. what about this quote? What if he has a town read on Hope, then his last second vote makes perfect sense
Defending ET...buddying townie? (WIFOM)
On October 13 2012 11:13 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:11 kushm4sta wrote:
haha look at vote thread you got owned et Oh boy
Is this him being sad/upset? He's panicing now that things went awry.
END AUSTIN'S DEFENSE
On October 13 2012 11:14 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:12 EchelonTee wrote:On October 13 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 13 2012 11:08 EchelonTee wrote:On October 13 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:echelon why would you opt for last minute sneaky maneuvers to keep hopeless safe instead of discussing it in the thread? On October 13 2012 11:00 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote bombing ON, fuck it. I don't want 1der to die and idgaf between ON and sandroba, both should die at this point. so what do you give a fuck about? who is your top scumread? You misinterpret me; I'm not saying IDGAF as in I don't think either of them are worthy of the lynch. I'm saying I consider them both bad enough to lynch and don't care who dies today. who is your top scumread da0ud. We're killing sandroba. I'm 99% sure 1der is a townie. I have this feeling as well. I will need to be sure though. With 9 votes, I should be able to make a difference.
Wait...+ Show Spoiler +
Sandroba #1 to die. And I'm super duper town? Yeah right...(I am town...just not at the level he's blindly agreeing)
On October 13 2012 11:18 da0ud wrote:
I see as well that Sand voted 7 times against ON to make him move on, when himself was already doomed over Djo.
Hence ON and Sand cannot both be scums. It is actually a good result to have Sand vs Hopeless
ON and Sandroba cannot both be scum. Based on what he's said so far, I'm 99% town and sand is 99% scum. (or is my reading comprehension failing me?)
On October 13 2012 11:21 da0ud wrote:
ON moves on then not then again.
Now I am pretty sure at least one town is in the finals. Let's hope there are not two of them and we find the scummy one
Somehow that 99% sandroba scum read is no longer valid because...I disappeared? We KNOW sandroba flipped town and OriginalName flipped scum. Does this not strike you as a strange change of heart based on the past series of quotes?
This entire series of quotes occured over less than a half hour. Moral of the story? Austin's defense of da0ud can suck it. Kill me first if you need to, I'll gladly trade 1-1.
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"I have this feeling as well"
He is
A) Agreeing to lynch sandroba
B) Agreeing I'm 99% town
C) Both.
In any of these cases, his later reactions are extremely suspicious once it becomes clear that ON advances.
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EBWOP
I missed an option...
D) He agrees that he's scum.
For the sake of completion.
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da0ud, you were correct, but when it was me vs sandroba, you were all but ready to pull the trigger on sandroba, at least that's how I interpret this quote:
On October 13 2012 11:14 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:12 EchelonTee wrote:On October 13 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 13 2012 11:08 EchelonTee wrote:On October 13 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:echelon why would you opt for last minute sneaky maneuvers to keep hopeless safe instead of discussing it in the thread? On October 13 2012 11:00 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote bombing ON, fuck it. I don't want 1der to die and idgaf between ON and sandroba, both should die at this point. so what do you give a fuck about? who is your top scumread? You misinterpret me; I'm not saying IDGAF as in I don't think either of them are worthy of the lynch. I'm saying I consider them both bad enough to lynch and don't care who dies today. who is your top scumread da0ud. We're killing sandroba. I'm 99% sure 1der is a townie. I have this feeling as well. I will need to be sure though. With 9 votes, I should be able to make a difference.
When the votes were finalized and it changed to ON vs sandroba:
On October 13 2012 11:21 da0ud wrote:
ON moves on then not then again.
Now I am pretty sure at least one town is in the finals. Let's hope there are not two of them and we find the scummy one
You were no longer so certain. I don't get how you could have such a drastic change in scumreads as town or lose your conviction to kill sandroba just because his opponent changed. I really could have just posted these two quotes as my counter to austin's defense of you.
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On October 17 2012 13:50 Djodref wrote:
@Hopeless
Why is daoud at the top of your list ?
If you have time, I would like to have your comments about my post : why we shouldn't daoud.
I'm going to bed now so I'll get on this tomorrow. There are a number of things that turned up from re-reading ET's filter, and just general disagreements I have with your defense of da0ud (that could go either way, but I'm reading it as scummy instead of townie).
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On October 17 2012 21:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 21:21 Mementoss wrote:
My only problem now is I don't know who to lynch, but at least this is a starting point for discussion Well, I have the same problem, but I'm feeling really excited right now. There is some good discussion going on ^^ @HopelessPlease look at my second defense of Daoud, and tell me if you still want to lynch him after this. I didn't appreciate the fact that you have said that my first defense of him was piss-poor. But I'm realizing right now that I might have been totally stupid while tunneling you. Please step up and you're going to drop quickly from the top of my list.
Of course I still want to lynch him. Your defense of him only worked because you assumed I'm scum and I'm still actively pushing his lynch. If/When I flip town, a lynch on da0ud becomes more desirable, but as you've said, you have been tunneling me and I may not be able to change your mind this time.
Going back to your first defense, you attempt to completely throw out any association with ON because ON was a lurker. However, ON still came in and placed votes and said some stuff. In addition, we KNOW OriginalName flipped scum. I went through da0ud's filter right around the time that ON got pushed ahead of me by ET. He couldn't keep his story straight even though he was damn near certain of a couple things involving:
- Hopeless vs djodref
- ON vs sandroba
I just can't follow his logic (page 2 of his filter) and I think it's because he's scum and he was just saying things to make it look like he cared about the lynch.
Also, how does this happen:
On October 16 2012 16:50 da0ud wrote:
Currently my scum to town scale goes as below :
1) Mementoss
2) Hopeless
3) ET
4) Austin
5) Kush
6) Hiro
7) Djo
8) Thrawn
On October 17 2012 13:19 da0ud wrote:
I am not the best at this game yet I admit it. I am not the best psychologist. I have not read (yet) the threads to learn how to play better. One thing I am sure of : I am good at maths and finding patterns. This game is intense and trust me being asleep when the heart of the action takes place is not easy. I wake up every morning with 10 pages to read. Would be easier for me to improve faster if I was in your timezone.
@ Kush : I will look into why I do put Thrawn on top of my town list.
On October 17 2012 15:49 da0ud wrote:
Update :
1) Thrawn
2) Hopeless
3) Mementoss
4) Austin
5) Hiro
6) Djo
7) Kush
8) Da0ud
Thrawn literally went from top town read to top scum read, and Thrawn's already commented on this revelation. I can't sit here and watch this go unpunished.
+ Show Spoiler +Side Note...his first town/scum rank "ladder" was made before we even knew the lynch mechanic. Are the hosts stealing ideas from the thread or did da0ud have access to the lynch info somehow? This is too coincidental for my liking.
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