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Trying to get some reads/assocation of people from previous votes.
1) Only ET has been twice voting for someone he would face in the next round. Djo in the first round when he had a BYE and kush in second. If he was a scum, I would them believe Djo and kush are not. Because at first glance it doesnt seem logic to vote for your mate so that one of you for sure would advance to the next round. He is the only one who has ever voted on the next potential opponent.
2) on Mementoss : he seems to be throwing away votes on as many people as possible and of oppisite logic. Already voted for 4 people which is the most of all of us. First round he votes for Djo and kush to make them move to the next round on their respective matches. But when they move on he decides to now vote on none of them but even worse voting for their opponents in the matchups hence actually totally changing his mind on them and now backing them up. Should have voted again for them to follow his initial logic.
3) Austin looks too unconcerned after being saved on the first round, He hasn't voted anyone in the second round. Looks to me more like a scum who now hides to get us to forget about him. To me a townie, even saved should continue to be implicated in the votes in order to gather as much information as possible on other players.
Please let me know your thoughts....
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On October 12 2012 17:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
Apart from saying how they feel about the other matchup, I'd like the lynch candidates to also give their top scumread.
That also goes for everyone else. We've been focusing too much on the mechanics and worrying too much about "well this guy is scummier than that guy" but we need to be discussing our top scumreads. Right now sandroba takes that spot for me so I plan on pushing hard for his lynch.
I would go for Sand > Mementoss > Austin > Djo.
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On October 12 2012 18:06 Djodref wrote:
I think you want to give yourself some presence in the thread by asking everybody if they are here for deadline or not. In reality you just want to know if you can safely do you unvoting cuisine.
Agreed
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On October 12 2012 18:06 Djodref wrote:
What I understood from this answer is that knowing who is present at deadline prevents crazy things from happening. I think that the simplest way from preventing crazy thing to happen is to use your votes and sticking to them. Unvoting like you do results in more possibilities for outcome of MUs to change, something you want to prevent by asking everybody if they are going to be present at deadline or not.
Actually I agree more on that part, but I think we are not allowed to edit posts so I will double post.
Hence me voting yesterday 12hrs before the deadline and sticking to it.
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On October 12 2012 21:30 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 20:50 Djodref wrote:
yeah, I'm assuming that I'm not going to be able to use my votes the next round... @djo why are you assuming you will be voted over sandroba?
Hence if Djo is scum then ON cannot be scum, if Djo's assumption of being in the final is correct.
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On October 12 2012 21:38 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 21:33 da0ud wrote:On October 12 2012 21:30 kushm4sta wrote:On October 12 2012 20:50 Djodref wrote:
yeah, I'm assuming that I'm not going to be able to use my votes the next round... @djo why are you assuming you will be voted over sandroba? Hence if Djo is scum then ON cannot be scum, if Djo's assumption of being in the final is correct. Why is that? I don't follow.
Sorry,,,, again mistypo, I meant If Djo is scum then Hopeless cannot be scum.
So either both are townies, or Djo is scum and Hopeless not, or Djo is town and Hopeless is scum. But not both scum.
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On October 13 2012 00:12 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 16:59 da0ud wrote:
H1 vs ON :
It bothers me as well that ON doesnt seem to care very much and has posted only a few messages. Most of them being useless (like his phone being dead for 24hrs, the panic votes). Since then nothing has been posted and I agree that it seems odd for someone from town not to participate in the lynching process as it is its only real way of finding scum. 1. I would expect even more a townie to participate if he is still on for lynching.
It makes sense for mafia not to worry about advancing if his accomplices do manage to save him at any future round.
H1 posts seems pretty coherent i am maybe too newbie to have a good read out of it. 2. I haven't played no game with any of you in the past, and i actually don't really want to because i want to make myself an opinion out of your posts and not ur behaviour in other games. This post is pretty strange from you. You spent a fairly long post (listed above) detailing your opinions on 3 players, in an organized listed manner. But when it comes to 1der vs ON, a matchup that actually is in play right now, you are much more unclear and hesitant. 1. This point doesn't really hold; you say that a townie who is still in the running for a lynch would probably be more active, which is true. But a scum who is up for lynch would also probably be more active, compared to if he wasn't up for lynch. While I have my own reasons for being suspicious of ON, your logic here is a lot less laid out then your previous points. 2. It's not ok to put down an opinion, then say "well I'm not so sure because I'm a newbie". It seems like you're trying to shy away from responsibility for your actions. Especially because you are more assertive in other posts. If you could make a more definitive stance on 1der/ON, that would be nice.
1) I do maintain my feeling that it makes more sense For town on to plead your case over mafia as u dun really hv yet anyone to really back u up. This is what bother me the most about ON. His lurking made him scummy to me.
2) it was a pretty bad way of me saying I don't have a strong view on him yet.
I would then put a vote on ON. But now that I think about it. What to really feel about Djo's vote on ET. Isn't to actually save the scummy lurker?
I already stated that there is a high chance that djo and ET cannot be mafia together.
If Djo actually is, then his massive 6 votes against ET looks more like a vote to save his accomplice ON.
PS: sorry for bad spelling but typing with my phone and this is a massacre...
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Please read Hopeless instead of ET on the all previous message.
All these mistakes don't help me plead my case.
Had 4 hours sleep last night so please bear with me. Bed time now. Will put votes down few hours before deadline.
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Just managed to get here before the vote, due to intense reading fo 6 pages in the last 45 min.
I like the vote the way it is without mine. So I won't use any
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I wanted ON over Hopeless because of ON inactivity and actually ON has posted a lot of good things and but effort in his defense. There is more content to be expected from him to help us get a better read on him in the future.
I do want Sand > Djo which is the case right now. From what i said earlier I dont think either that Djo and Hopeless can both be mafia, hence at least we are saving one valuable town with constructive agrumentation.
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On October 13 2012 11:00 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote bombing ON, fuck it. I don't want 1der to die and idgaf between ON and sandroba, both should die at this point.
Wahouuu I didn't see the 6 votes on Hopeless from kush and at the last second you actually vote on ON. Only looked at the update. Happy with how it went then !
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On October 13 2012 11:08 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 05:14 EchelonTee wrote:
If you have a scumread, it's better to lynch them over someone who has a high chance of being replaced or modkilled. It's the difference between a coin flip and an educated guess. what about this quote?
What if he has a town read on Hope, then his last second vote makes perfect sense
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On October 13 2012 11:11 kushm4sta wrote:
haha look at vote thread you got owned et
Oh boy
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On October 13 2012 11:12 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 13 2012 11:08 EchelonTee wrote:On October 13 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:echelon why would you opt for last minute sneaky maneuvers to keep hopeless safe instead of discussing it in the thread? On October 13 2012 11:00 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote bombing ON, fuck it. I don't want 1der to die and idgaf between ON and sandroba, both should die at this point. so what do you give a fuck about? who is your top scumread? You misinterpret me; I'm not saying IDGAF as in I don't think either of them are worthy of the lynch. I'm saying I consider them both bad enough to lynch and don't care who dies today. who is your top scumread da0ud. We're killing sandroba. I'm 99% sure 1der is a townie.
I have this feeling as well. I will need to be sure though. With 9 votes, I should be able to make a difference.
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I see as well that Sand voted 7 times against ON to make him move on, when himself was already doomed over Djo.
Hence ON and Sand cannot both be scums. It is actually a good result to have Sand vs Hopeless
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ON moves on then not then again.
Now I am pretty sure at least one town is in the finals. Let's hope there are not two of them and we find the scummy one
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there are 49 votes remaining in the finals
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edit : there are 48 votes remaining in the finals
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On October 13 2012 11:30 EchelonTee wrote:
Sandroba, and a bullet into OriginalName. I would want a double lynch.
even though you dont like them both it would not really make sense.
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On October 13 2012 11:44 austinmcc wrote:
ET. Pretend for a moment that you're ET this game. (Or, if you don't have to pretend, please let us know).
You and your hypothetical scumbuddies are hanging out in QT, discussing how to play out the matchups and how you want to vote and do scummy stuff and whatnot. The following questions come up, as to how each of you wants to do things. How do you respond?
Do you guys make sure to sometimes be on opposite sides of a matchup? Or do you not care if 2 scum players vote together the entire way through D1?
Say in round 1 or round 2 there's a matchup that you want to influence, one of your scumbuddies is neck and neck with a townie. Do you just vote that matchup? Or do you vote that matchup + 1 or 2 that you don't care about, in order to hide the vote you actually want to make in with some that don't make a difference to you?
Is there any particular player you think is a likely D1 mislynch, just looking at player list and like...the first couple pages of the game. If so, who?
I do care and that's why I did write a post questioning your actions and the ones from Mementoss.
On October 12 2012 18:06 da0ud wrote:
Trying to get some reads/assocation of people from previous votes.
1) Only ET has been twice voting for someone he would face in the next round. Djo in the first round when he had a BYE and kush in second. If he was a scum, I would them believe Djo and kush are not. Because at first glance it doesnt seem logic to vote for your mate so that one of you for sure would advance to the next round. He is the only one who has ever voted on the next potential opponent.
2) on Mementoss : he seems to be throwing away votes on as many people as possible and of oppisite logic. Already voted for 4 people which is the most of all of us. First round he votes for Djo and kush to make them move to the next round on their respective matches. But when they move on he decides to now vote on none of them but even worse voting for their opponents in the matchups hence actually totally changing his mind on them and now backing them up. Should have voted again for them to follow his initial logic.
3) Austin looks too unconcerned after being saved on the first round, He hasn't voted anyone in the second round. Looks to me more like a scum who now hides to get us to forget about him. To me a townie, even saved should continue to be implicated in the votes in order to gather as much information as possible on other players.
Please let me know your thoughts....
The only thing i had against you is that you voted in first round then got saved and then didn't really care/ participate/ scum hunt which would still be priority for a townie (even saved)
I do actually like the way you address tactics than could have been put in place by mafia to influence vote.
I did the same in looking for betting patterns, etc. But i think there is too few pieces of info available on the voting patterns... yet.
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