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On October 12 2012 23:33 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 04:37 Mementoss wrote:4. ET: Everything about his filter makes me think hes mafia. But maybe Im just reading him completely wrong. He dismisses any comments towards him at all times, hard defends sandroba twice, without real reason or logic to, and is being very sarcastic in the says things to the fact to not get called out on them later. + Show Spoiler +On October 12 2012 02:45 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 02:40 prplhz wrote:On October 12 2012 01:05 EchelonTee wrote:Catching up now. On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud. I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation. Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant. 1der and Djodref both look scummy to me, but they are in opposition; namely at the time, Djodref voted for 1der. Since Djodref really does not seem like the bussing type, it's unlikely both are scum in my eyes. Game will be fun because it seems that scum is running good interference. Also, it just seems fun because we have good activity from good players. Care to explain the bolded part? Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully? On October 12 2012 02:53 EchelonTee wrote:
Getting lunch and going to classes. Apparently I have to announce my absences or else I'm "lurking away". His posting is pushing a bad town atmosphere and that is scum agenda. As well as some lines in his posts just seem off, like prplhz pointed out. I think hes scummy but I'm not entirely sure this could just be his meta. Im going to put a vote on him. How exactly are those posts promoting bad town atmosphere? The first one was an explanation post to prplhz; I'm trying to make my words clear. The second one I admit is negative, but that's because I take offense at being called a lurker, by a lurker. You say that I am being dismissive towards comments on me because I address them and turn them away. What would you like me to do instead? I have been snippy I admit, but you calling me scummy for directly confronting accusations is a bit unreasonable. However, I can tone down my language as I've been promoting a bad atmosphere. Never my intention. The majority of your suspicion seems to be centered around my negativity and my association with sandroba. The former I can address, and the latter is uncertain. We have no idea of sandroba is town or scum. I had an early town tell on sandroba because his ideas lined up with mine; this is what I always do to try and figure out towniness. If I find myself coming to the same conclusion as someone independently, then I feel more comfortable with that player. I might be wrong on sandroba, but I am far more comfortable leaving him for a Day 2 read. However, it's simply not right for people to say "EchelonTee supports sandroba. Since I think sandroba is scum, EchelonTee is also scum". That's making an associative tell before full information is available. Will I get a ton of heat if sandroba flips scum? Yes, and I'd deserve it for making a wrong read. But since we don't have that information yet, I'd appreciate it if people laid off. Condemn me if you see deception in my words, but not for simply stating my opinion on things. I'm trying to make it as open as possible why I had a town tell on sandroba, and that I should be held accountable if he flips scum.
I was unclear in my intention of those quotes, I was trying to show your sarcastic manner. Yes part of my suspicions was the interactions between you and sandroba but also the way that everytime you show up you show the need to defend yourself in an over the top manner, and then take off. Its not a huge tell, or big scum read, and thats why I didn't use more votes to push you through the matchup. Obviously, it is not scummy to be wrong about something. But since you are not up for lynch anymore, I will stop pushing you, and hope we have 1 mafia in the final 4 that we can make champion. Prove to me through your actions, not through your defenses. through the rest of the day cycle why you are town. If you are town, lets kill scum, if you are mafia, nothing we can do about it for day 1 at least.
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On October 13 2012 10:24 austinmcc wrote:
Mementoss. Pretend for a moment that you're Mementoss this game. (Or, if you don't have to pretend, please let us know).
You and your hypothetical scumbuddies are hanging out in QT, discussing how to play out the matchups and how you want to vote and do scummy stuff and whatnot. The following questions come up, as to how each of you wants to do things. How do you respond?
Do you guys make sure to sometimes be on opposite sides of a matchup? Or do you not care if 2 scum players vote together the entire way through D1?
Say in round 1 or round 2 there's a matchup that you want to influence, one of your scumbuddies is neck and neck with a townie. Do you just vote that matchup? Or do you vote that matchup + 1 or 2 that you don't care about, in order to hide the vote you actually want to make in with some that don't make a difference to you?
Is there any particular player you think is a likely D1 mislynch, just looking at player list and like...the first couple pages of the game. If so, who?
ET, I'd like to see your answers to those questions as well. You had some setup talk at the beginning that I liked, but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about the setup from the perspective of you playing as ET.
Okay let me pretend to be mementoss.
1. Don't care.
2. Vote the people acting scummiest in the thread.
3. ON is a likely mislynch for lurking, and kush is a likely mislynch for his meta. (if they are town that is) aka its not hard for scum to put them through without real reasoning
I don't understand the purpose of this question though. lol.
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prp: 8 Remain
ON: 8 Remain
da0: 9 Remain
Austin: 9 Remain
This^^ this right here is horseshit.
Apathetic voting up towards the last round is unacceptable.
I think everyone should only be using 5 of there votes
3 of these players alone trump the rest of the players in the game. Sandroba doesn't even have anyvotes to defend himself while ON has 9.
Actually, everyone should only be using 1 vote, and we can get some sort of real full out majority going where everyone is involved. For the people with 0 votes left.
##Mementoss vote "Player Name"
and I will use one of my votes towards giving you a voice in this lynch. I have a feeling scum has WAY too much control right now. But there is a possibility its too late anyways, this method should give more information to where people are at in their thought process.
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Also ET I know you explained it but its still fucking weird that you LAST MINUTE dropped all your votes on ON, after expecting him for a modkill, not having a read on him. And having a scum read on hopeless all of the first 2 cycles, you save him last minute.
Not sure which way I will be voting today yet.
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Also, this "playing scummy on purpose" stuff is utter bullshit. Someone realizes they have been playing shit as scum and can just use this excuse. There is no town motivation behind doing this as it confuses the town. It doesn't give you scum reads, because if you are playing scummy good town should point you out for doing it. Anyone adjusting their reads on Hopeless for this statement are clueless and should rethink their position.
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On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote:
I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.
My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum.
This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum.
how do you get a town read on hiro and austin?
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On October 13 2012 23:21 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 22:52 Mementoss wrote:
prp: 8 Remain
ON: 8 Remain
da0: 9 Remain
Austin: 9 Remain
This^^ this right here is horseshit.
Apathetic voting up towards the last round is unacceptable.
I think everyone should only be using 5 of there votes
3 of these players alone trump the rest of the players in the game. Sandroba doesn't even have anyvotes to defend himself while ON has 9.
Actually, everyone should only be using 1 vote, and we can get some sort of real full out majority going where everyone is involved. For the people with 0 votes left.
##Mementoss vote "Player Name"
and I will use one of my votes towards giving you a voice in this lynch. I have a feeling scum has WAY too much control right now. But there is a possibility its too late anyways, this method should give more information to where people are at in their thought process.
Why is apathetic voting horseshit? Is horseshit just horseshit, or do you find it to come from a town or scum horse? Why should everyone only be using one vote? Why are you giving out votes to anyone with 0 votes left? I had planned to give away either blocks of 3 or blocks of 4 votes to people I strongly feel are town, but not to ANYONE, and not based on the number of votes they have left. How is having no votes a good criteria for who you want to give more control over the lynch to, instead of using a criteria like your townreads?
what
how much info are we gunna get when half the people cant vote on the lynch, and the other half have no say in the final decision. The lynch is left up to those 4 players, and since one of them is in the hot seat. He can use 9 votes to save himself. I guess playing as passive as you and not putting any reads on anyone to too late so you don't have to vote and can sheep and holding all your votes is your strategy. I guess thats cool >_>.
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I will be putting all my votes on ON unless he returns then
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On October 14 2012 00:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 00:31 Mementoss wrote:
I will be putting all my votes on ON unless he returns then Because of sandroba's comments?
no because no one would co-operate anyways, and although I think sandroba's play has been scummy im not super sure. But if he flips town then we have ON who refuses to post or do anything, and its gunna be a bad time. Overall, I guess im happy with either lynch, lynching someone I have a bit of a scum read on, or lynching a complete lurker.
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On October 14 2012 00:33 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:11 sandroba wrote:
Also it's ridiculously easy to figure out my alignment not only because I suck as scum, but also because I hate it and usually can't keep up with the thread after a few days. So yeah, you don't have to worry about that because I'm thankfully town this game. This is a quote from TL Mafia L. Sandroba rolled scum. He's right. I think every game in which Sandroba rolled scum features long periods of afking into an early lynch. Show nested quote +This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum. What happened to ON? Previously you thought he was the best lynch: Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 05:17 sandroba wrote:
Look at the cases people posted, which is the strongest? Definetely the case on ON. How can you ever say that I'm not trying to get scum lynched or that my play has been uninspired? You can't. Right now I'm thinking that this holiday was merely a convenient excuse. And yeah I don't want to lynch ON for reasons I have already stated and mods have yelled at me for bringing up. Sandroba x1 Not like my 1 vote even matters though.
kush your 1 vote matters to me man
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On October 14 2012 00:53 kushm4sta wrote:
MEMENTOSS hypothetically ON could be replaced right? Wouldn't that solve the problem?
Yeah it would, but the hosts don't seem to keen on it so Im not sure.
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On October 14 2012 02:16 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 01:58 thrawn2112 wrote:ebwop On October 14 2012 01:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
jesus austin I cannot tell for the life of me tell who you plan on voting for. can you make your current stance clear please? i need some fucking cigarettes My current stance is that the voting is being blown out of proportion, lol. Nobody standing up for ON in the earlier rounds. Even a wee bit. That gives me a gut feeling that he's town. I would have expected SOME attempt to try and keep him from passing on. So I'm a wee bit townie on him. Sandroba ... blech. I hate the idea of lynching more veteran players D1. Some of his comments this morning looked townie though, although some looked misguided. Like his stuff on how anyone who cares about town should be using all their votes...that says NOTHING. Anyone who cares about scum is probably using all THEIR votes too. I haven't played with him enough though to know whether he's super careful about choosing his words and what thoughts he puts into thread. He's making it sound like he doesn't allow the thread to see much of his thoughts/thought process, and if that's true, then throwaway statements like that are a little odd. Between then two, I'm not STRONGLY scummy on either. I'm probably voting ON? IF he hangs on doing nearly nothing, it's difficult to get a read on him. Getting a read on a replacement player can sometimes be iffy, and in this case, we've had such a long first day that it's ... probably tougher? Instead of replacing in after 48 or 72 hours or whatever, replacement would come in 96 hours after this game started. I don't want to add a new player into the mix at that point, so unless I'm very convinced of Sandroba's scumminess, I'm dropping like...3 votes on ON or something. You, thrawn, are welcome to three of my votes. As is kush, who is either town or is doing a great job of adopting a completely different style of play for this game. Plus, GZA > RZA. 3 of my votes are for each of you two to use, so long as, in the post in which you tell me how to use them, you give thread a scumread and a townread (and a tiny bit of reasoning) on someone who was safe after the first or second round.
THIS is what bugs me, your not strongly scummy on either YET you have 9 votes left? HMMM, I guess you shoulda used your votes to get who you thought was scum to the finals. You don't even give a shit.
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On October 14 2012 03:23 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:On October 14 2012 02:16 austinmcc wrote:On October 14 2012 01:58 thrawn2112 wrote:ebwop On October 14 2012 01:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
jesus austin I cannot tell for the life of me tell who you plan on voting for. can you make your current stance clear please? i need some fucking cigarettes My current stance is that the voting is being blown out of proportion, lol. Nobody standing up for ON in the earlier rounds. Even a wee bit. That gives me a gut feeling that he's town. I would have expected SOME attempt to try and keep him from passing on. So I'm a wee bit townie on him. Sandroba ... blech. I hate the idea of lynching more veteran players D1. Some of his comments this morning looked townie though, although some looked misguided. Like his stuff on how anyone who cares about town should be using all their votes...that says NOTHING. Anyone who cares about scum is probably using all THEIR votes too. I haven't played with him enough though to know whether he's super careful about choosing his words and what thoughts he puts into thread. He's making it sound like he doesn't allow the thread to see much of his thoughts/thought process, and if that's true, then throwaway statements like that are a little odd. Between then two, I'm not STRONGLY scummy on either. I'm probably voting ON? IF he hangs on doing nearly nothing, it's difficult to get a read on him. Getting a read on a replacement player can sometimes be iffy, and in this case, we've had such a long first day that it's ... probably tougher? Instead of replacing in after 48 or 72 hours or whatever, replacement would come in 96 hours after this game started. I don't want to add a new player into the mix at that point, so unless I'm very convinced of Sandroba's scumminess, I'm dropping like...3 votes on ON or something. You, thrawn, are welcome to three of my votes. As is kush, who is either town or is doing a great job of adopting a completely different style of play for this game. Plus, GZA > RZA. 3 of my votes are for each of you two to use, so long as, in the post in which you tell me how to use them, you give thread a scumread and a townread (and a tiny bit of reasoning) on someone who was safe after the first or second round. THIS is what bugs me, your not strongly scummy on either YET you have 9 votes left? HMMM, I guess you shoulda used your votes to get who you thought was scum to the finals. You don't even give a shit. Yes, I should have used my votes in a different way early on. Some of this is due to changing my mind on Djodref. Some is due to focusing on Aperture. Some is due to early laziness. Do you actually believe I don't give a shit? Or do you only think that THIS particular thing points towards me giving a shit?
that particular thing makes me think you were indifferent to who actually go lynched today. You were around but not using your votes, aka implying you were happy with who advanced. Now that the finals are set, you say I find neither scummy.
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SO sick, will be back later
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ET im almost sure is town, I was wrong. There would be no reason for him to stack ON when he had been on hopeless1ders case all day.
Austin you make some good associative tells with me and ON, but the fact is I was wrong. Townies are more likely to be wrong because they don't know everything like scum does. Also, it woulda been really easy for me to just throw all my votes on sandroba because I had been expressing my thoughts that he was scum in round 2 and it woulda followed. I decided I wasn't confident enough to lynch him and lynched the safer target ON. Also, that last part of your post about you thinking I'm scum every game is funny because its so true.
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If your town pass the potatoe if not just keep the potatoe
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I don't know what else to think of this lynch mechanic lol.
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why would you hold the potatoe as town? Why wouldnt you just pass it to your scum read? It could blow up at any time
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It bothers me that everyone is just dropping in the thread and is like sup d0ad and prplhz scum. Without giving much reason. Its killing the discussion. Also holding the potato until you think its about to explode than passing it is a bad idea, cause really you have NO idea when its going to explode. I think you should just pass the potato to your scum read ASAP.
The more time you have the potato, the greater chance you have of lynching yourself. You know your alignment and if you are town this is bad.
That stuff being said I need to re-read the filters cause I don't want to just say LOL d0ad prplhz pass da potato gg guyz. Then if one of them flips town, everyone just says "fuck" and town loses its good start,
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Also, I'm gunna try to shy away from the connection cases with ON. Simply for the fact that ON was the perfect bus target. He was useless, and inactive so was guaranteed to get lynched eventually and gave easy town credibility on any one voting him. It also gives scum a chance who voted him, to shift the attention off themselves by using oh he voted for ON not to move on in this matchup, SCUM SCUM. So yeah, I'll take it into account when reading filters, but I think ON was probably bussed.
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