I took damage on night one. Otherwise I would have said I was protected.

We need to lynch drazerk. I don't really care about what his night actions were or how they played out. His behavior has earned him his death. His claimed shot was for self-preservation on someone who he didn't think was scum. He's played purely for self-preservation and not to help the town.

People, don't let him distract you with all this speculation about what happened with his shot. If he's telling the truth about his role (which I doubt), then we can figure it all out later. But the signs point strongly towards lynching him.

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 20:22 GMT

#1191

On October 08 2012 05:07 gonzaw wrote:
S&B, before I listen to you on who to lynch, please post your thoughts on everything else that went on in this D3 thread.
Like...stuff about me, stuff about Jingle, stuff about ghost and austin, etc. There's plenty of info lying around, why are you ignoring it just to get Draz lynched?

One scum at a time.

I've taken all that stuff into account and I still think drazerk is the best lynch.

Regarding you and Jingle: I don't find myself persuaded by Jingle at all, mostly because of presentation and how ridiculously abrasive he is. I could see you being scum, but I could also see you being town.

I think Ghost is more likely to flip scum than you are. Unless something changes I would like to lynch him next after Drazerk.

I have a town read on Austin - his posts just feel townie to me and I like the way he's explaining things and promoting a good town atmosphere.

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 20:23 GMT

#1194

No just you. I don't think you are town.

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 20:27 GMT

#1197

On October 08 2012 05:26 Drazerk wrote:

Show nested quote +

You know I am though and you know that killing me is the best way for self preservation

How would I know you are town? Did you change your mind and now you think I'm scum again?

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 20:28 GMT

#1198

actually you know what fuck this I'm not getting drawn into another several-page-long one-liner fight with drazerk. I'll be back later.

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 20:37 GMT

#1206

I'm not actually going afk I'm just ignoring you

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 21:01 GMT

#1217

On October 08 2012 05:51 Keirathi wrote:
Call it "protecting S&B" if you want. If Draz does somehow flip town, and town decides that either me or S&B needs to be lynched tomorrow, then so be it.

What? In what world would that make sense?

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 23:15 GMT

#1271

On October 06 2012 07:50 Drazerk wrote:
Better to be hated and lived than loved and shot

how about both hated and dead?

strongandbig

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October 07 2012 23:16 GMT

#1273

On October 08 2012 08:13 JingleHell wrote:

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I was trying most of the day. Don't try and turn this into ME somehow being scummy, when everybody has listened to my reasons and said they still prefer Draz, what was I supposed to do?

This is true, even though your thread presence was terrible and disruptive, at least you kept trying to keep people talking about things instead of letting people go with just "we're killing drazerk today".

strongandbig

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October 08 2012 00:44 GMT

#1283

Hiro! who would you rather lynch tomorrow ghost or gonzaw and why

strongandbig

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October 08 2012 18:28 GMT

#1328

My reads have evolved somewhat. I will type them all up between now and the deadline.

However, I don't want to make one huge post right at deadline, because those aren't usually super effective, they try peoples' patience, tldr, etc.

Keirathi:

- I have a hearty respect for Keirathi as a scum player. I haven't played with him yet but the one scum game of his I did read closely was simply masterful. He really looked town. The curse of this is that it makes it hard to trust a town read on him.

- Everyone is treating it like he and I are confirmed to be the same alignment. It's important not to do this: there is no official confirmation of that in either of our role pm's, as far as I can tell. At least, there isn't in mine and while Keirathi says his hints that I'm town, I don't think he's said that it explicitly comes out and confirms it.

- That said, I do have a strong town read on Keirathi. I'm just hesitant about it because he did a very good job of faking being town in that other game I read. But I think he's town for a few reasons. One is that from a mechanics and balance sense, it seems unreasonable for a scum faction to control a town faction's bodyguard power. Another is the things he posted. His filter feels townie to me. He's participating a lot (11 page filter), he's trying to move discussion along (his early game mattchew gambit was not well thought out imo but I can more easily attribute it to town motives than to scum motives), and he's put in at least some effort towards positively organizing town (specifically, I'm referring to the posts he made early on talking about how even though it's plurality lynch, having the votes completely spread out over a whole bunch of candidates is still anti town).

- However, if he survives too long it will eventually be time to start being suspicious of him.

[b]JingleHell[b]:

Is retardedly abrasive for no reason, to such an extent that it makes it hard to give him credibility and makes him seem like he's doing emotional tunneling. However, he does this as town as well as as scum - it's not scummily being disruptive on purpose to derail the thread. Or at least, it's not necessarily that.

However, it makes it hard to get a read on him.

I have a weak town read on him, overall, but if it really came down to maybe lynching him it would take me quite a bit of effort to read through his whole filter.

strongandbig

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October 08 2012 22:36 GMT

#1337

Okay so it turns out that the problem with my plan to add big reads on people is that there is actually a lot of work to do tonight at work.

strongandbig

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October 08 2012 22:52 GMT

#1339

I'm getting more and more worried about Mattchew. His pattern of "be active, be on a scum bandwagon at the start, then go more and more inactive and not-give-a-fuck-ey" is exactly how he plays as scum. Regardless of whether or not he was actually away, if he doesn't step his activity level and fuck-giving level up majorly in the next few days he should be killed.

strongandbig

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October 08 2012 22:52 GMT

#1340

On October 08 2012 07:56 gonzaw wrote:
Oh fuck if you flip scum I'll feel so retarded

this makes me think gonzaw is scum.

strongandbig

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October 08 2012 23:44 GMT

#1351

I did not take a hit.

strongandbig

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October 08 2012 23:45 GMT

#1352

No gonzaw it's because you were voting for someone who you didn't think was scum.

strongandbig

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October 09 2012 03:53 GMT

#1413

i looove fake claiming when im scum its so much more fun

i believe your claim atm though. it sounds like the ikind fo role those hosts would put in this game.

mattchew - did you claim role name? given that cave johnson flipped town i no longer trust flavor but w/e.

actually we should probably just mass claim right now because so many people have claimed already. mass claim go go go