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On October 05 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
@JH:
So you think it makes more sense that either he randomly picked the name pbody for his partner, or he saw the pbody smurf and made up an elaborate story and exact role details, than it does him actually telling the truth? I don't know if you're just being ginormously dense, or scum. Because in no way does that scenario make sense to me.
Suggesting there's only two possible options, one of which must be true, neither of which is pleasant, is a logical fallacy. It's like asking me when I started cheating on my wife.
You're ignoring all kinds of random possible options, purely for the sake of discrediting me. You trying Gonzaw's style? You'll notice I don't give a rats fuck about what he tells me to vote either.
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On October 05 2012 02:58 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 02:51 JingleHell wrote:On October 05 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
@JH:
So you think it makes more sense that either he randomly picked the name pbody for his partner, or he saw the pbody smurf and made up an elaborate story and exact role details, than it does him actually telling the truth? I don't know if you're just being ginormously dense, or scum. Because in no way does that scenario make sense to me. Suggesting there's only two possible options, one of which must be true, neither of which is pleasant, is a logical fallacy. It's like asking me when I started cheating on my wife. You're ignoring all kinds of random possible options, purely for the sake of discrediting me. You trying Gonzaw's style? You'll notice I don't give a rats fuck about what he tells me to vote either. I gave 4 options when I said why I believed him. That he is telling the truth just makes the most sense. More often than not, the simple answer is the correct one, in my experience.
No, you gave ME two options. You said I must just be dense or scum, because I either believe he randomly made something up based on either X or Y.
That ignores the possibility of safe claims, third party, or all kinds of stuff.
Your "YOU MUST BE USELESS OR SCUM FOR DARING TO DISAGREE WITH ME" is an emotional reaction seeking and otherwise generally scummy tactic, but even so, I'm at least giving you the BOTD that you could just be absurdly egocentric.
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On October 05 2012 04:04 strongandbig wrote:
Will anyone tell me though why it's okay keeping Drazerk alive? No one ever seems to interact with the substance of what I'm saying.
Also I don't like this keirathi / jingle hell recent minishitfight. Something feels weird about it to me. The whole thing just feels so unnecessary.
He's not the first person to try and force me to play a certain way, he won't be the last. Your attempt to redirect suspicion has been duly noted, however.
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On October 05 2012 04:08 strongandbig wrote:
Is pointing out anything I find suspicious automatically "redirecting suspicion"? That's silly.
Well, every time I refuse to agree with someone it's automatically either scummy or bad, so I figured I'd take a page out of the Keirathi/Gonzaw playbook.
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On October 05 2012 04:24 strongandbig wrote:
I don't think drazerk needs to be today's lynch. I'm voting nisani because I think he's scum.
I just want drazerk to die and I want everyone to tell him how shitty he is so maybe he changes a little.
Hey SNB, didn't you flip complete apeshit about me and VE wanting to lynch Grush for being useless in PTP3? Didn't you try to get VE lynched for it?
Awkward...
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On October 05 2012 04:30 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 04:27 JingleHell wrote:On October 05 2012 04:24 strongandbig wrote:
I don't think drazerk needs to be today's lynch. I'm voting nisani because I think he's scum.
I just want drazerk to die and I want everyone to tell him how shitty he is so maybe he changes a little. Hey SNB, didn't you flip complete apeshit about me and VE wanting to lynch Grush for being useless in PTP3? Didn't you try to get VE lynched for it? Awkward... three differences: 1. I don't actively hate grush. I'm admitting that emotion is involved here. 2. I also think Drazerk is scum, because of the circular reasoning thing I've talked about before, and because of the way he was flipping his vote around day 1. 3. I'm not saying "we should be lynching drazerk right now instead of scumhunting other people," which was my problem with VE's policy lynch on grush. If you notice, my vote isn't even on drazerk right now. I just think we should be aware that he's not trying to help town and I think he should die for it.
The fact is, you accused VE of being scummy for it on multiple occasions, and called it completely scummy to try and kill someone just for being bad or being someone you dislike playing with.
Now you're pushing Draz for the same reason. By your own logic, it's scum behavior, so we should lynch you for it...
Or, in your own words...
+ Show Spoiler [PTP3 Quote] +On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town.
##Vote: grush ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357¤tpage=23#452Make sure you check the whole filter, maybe with "All, Ctrl+F, grush". Meta is a bitch.
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On October 05 2012 04:45 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 04:35 JingleHell wrote:On October 05 2012 04:30 strongandbig wrote:On October 05 2012 04:27 JingleHell wrote:On October 05 2012 04:24 strongandbig wrote:
I don't think drazerk needs to be today's lynch. I'm voting nisani because I think he's scum.
I just want drazerk to die and I want everyone to tell him how shitty he is so maybe he changes a little. Hey SNB, didn't you flip complete apeshit about me and VE wanting to lynch Grush for being useless in PTP3? Didn't you try to get VE lynched for it? Awkward... three differences: 1. I don't actively hate grush. I'm admitting that emotion is involved here. 2. I also think Drazerk is scum, because of the circular reasoning thing I've talked about before, and because of the way he was flipping his vote around day 1. 3. I'm not saying "we should be lynching drazerk right now instead of scumhunting other people," which was my problem with VE's policy lynch on grush. If you notice, my vote isn't even on drazerk right now. I just think we should be aware that he's not trying to help town and I think he should die for it. The fact is, you accused VE of being scummy for it on multiple occasions, and called it completely scummy to try and kill someone just for being bad or being someone you dislike playing with. Now you're pushing Draz for the same reason. By your own logic, it's scum behavior, so we should lynch you for it... Or, in your own words... + Show Spoiler [PTP3 Quote] +On August 21 2012 07:04 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Grush has never been interested in playing a game of Mafia that I've ever played in with him. I want him out of my town.
##Vote: grush ............................................... are you serious right now? you'd rather policy lynch grush? you know we do have actual discussion of scum candidates going on right now, even if the cases aren't great neither are the responses so there's plenty of ground for a real lynch and almost certainly like a million vigs in this game and you want to policy lynch grush?????? are you serious right now? scuuuuuum claaaaaaaaaim http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357¤tpage=23#452Make sure you check the whole filter, maybe with "All, Ctrl+F, grush". Meta is a bitch. Are you completely ignoring what I just said about "not trying to get us to policy lynch drazerk" and "how I'm voting nisani instead of him right now"? Please explain to me how I'm pushing the scum agenda of "getting people complacent about a policy lynch" when I'm also re-bringing-up some evidence for why he's scum, as well as I'm voting for one of the other two lynch candidates and saying we should scumhunt at people other than drazerk as well as him? None of that are things that VE and you were doing with the grush thing. You were just saying "grush is bad let's kill him." That's different.
The fact that you're trying to push something you've called scummy, while your vote is entirely elsewhere, just suggests you might not be concerned with where the lynch lands. There's two sides to every coin, things can look scummy or not.
And yes, I'm choosing to see scummy. Your point? You going to keep using a mixture of insults and QQ to try and change people's votes?
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On October 05 2012 04:47 strongandbig wrote:
1. it's not because you're bad it's because you're anti town. So is Grush, invalid point.
2. it's not trying to get people to stop scumhunting. Me and VE were both town that game, we didn't want to stop scumhunting from happening.
3. you're scum.
Fixed that for you.
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On October 05 2012 05:19 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 03:04 JingleHell wrote:On October 05 2012 02:58 Keirathi wrote:On October 05 2012 02:51 JingleHell wrote:On October 05 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:
@JH:
So you think it makes more sense that either he randomly picked the name pbody for his partner, or he saw the pbody smurf and made up an elaborate story and exact role details, than it does him actually telling the truth? I don't know if you're just being ginormously dense, or scum. Because in no way does that scenario make sense to me. Suggesting there's only two possible options, one of which must be true, neither of which is pleasant, is a logical fallacy. It's like asking me when I started cheating on my wife. You're ignoring all kinds of random possible options, purely for the sake of discrediting me. You trying Gonzaw's style? You'll notice I don't give a rats fuck about what he tells me to vote either. I gave 4 options when I said why I believed him. That he is telling the truth just makes the most sense. More often than not, the simple answer is the correct one, in my experience. No, you gave ME two options. You said I must just be dense or scum, because I either believe he randomly made something up based on either X or Y. That ignores the possibility of safe claims, third party, or all kinds of stuff. Your "YOU MUST BE USELESS OR SCUM FOR DARING TO DISAGREE WITH ME" is an emotional reaction seeking and otherwise generally scummy tactic, but even so, I'm at least giving you the BOTD that you could just be absurdly egocentric. Yea, you're right. I think you either have to be an idiot or scum to want to lynch a claimed KP-reduction role, especially if what he says is true about ATLAS-Pbody interactions. He's basically a double-shot medic every night until he eats enough KP to die. If he's still alive in a couple of days, then maybe you have a case. Right now, all I see are two people hard pushing to get a claimed blue role lynched. Which, as I well know, is something that scum JingleHell would do.
Uhm, if you mean Newbie XVIII, wasn't that a fakeclaim, and rather blatant? Oh yeah, it was.
As was discussed, there's plenty of reasons not to trust the claim, and to think he's scummy, so I think you're an idiot or scum to be so absolutist. Besides, who wanted consolidation D1?
Nisani seems too easy. Nobody is interested in my scum reads yet, I can at least understand a vote for SNB, so I consolidated. Make up your fucking mind. Or did consolidate mean "Do what I fucking tell you"?
Of course, yesterday you were SO right about perfection...
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On October 05 2012 05:50 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 05:29 JingleHell wrote:
Uhm, if you mean Newbie XVIII, wasn't that a fakeclaim, and rather blatant? Oh yeah, it was.
You're right, he was fake-claiming. AS A TOWNIE. And you, as scum, knew that he was town and pushed the lynch. This feels an awful lot the same. Show nested quote +On October 05 2012 05:29 JingleHell wrote:
As was discussed, there's plenty of reasons not to trust the claim, and to think he's scummy, so I think you're an idiot or scum to be so absolutist. Besides, who wanted consolidation D1?
Nisani seems too easy. Nobody is interested in my scum reads yet, I can at least understand a vote for SNB, so I consolidated. Make up your fucking mind. Or did consolidate mean "Do what I fucking tell you"?
Of course, yesterday you were SO right about perfection... Maybe you could explain your read on Nisani a bit then? Considering the only time you've even mentioned him in your entire filter is when you said "I'd rather see SNB than Nisani" as you consolidated onto him. And I would argue that this is the exact opposite of an "easy" lynch. Its 6 votes to 4. That's a pretty polarized town.
Uhm, the point, Keirathi, is that the dead townie in XVIII happened because he blatantly fakeclaimed. Just because I've succesefully done it once as scum (hey, by the way, earlier this game wasn't I suspicious for NOT being aggressive and leadery, you hypocritical little scum who really didn't want perfection dead yesterday?) doesn't mean I'm doing it now.
It worked then because he was scummy, and scum usually push mislynches based on scummy stuff. Scummy stuff is also why we lynch scum. Unless you think we should NOT lynch people who act scummy? That might confuse them...
And when I say "Too easy" I mean it's too simple of a target. He's easy to push in a way that he doesn't feel particularly scummy. I actually referenced him another time without using his name, when I said I don't tend to think that people whose activity level is down near the "almost modkilled" level are automatically scummy lurkers.
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On October 05 2012 05:53 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: Also, its funny that you mention iamperfection. Because, despite getting lynched, you didn't offer a single opinion on him at all. Literally not one.
I may have been wrong, but at least I wasn't afraid of being wrong. You just ignored him completely.
Yeah, I was busy pushing other people, kind of like you were, but I wasn't trying to make someone else look like a better target than perfection. Who knows, maybe I've been wrong about Gonzaw, and he really was just wrong place/wrong time, and you're the guy I should be focusing into the dirt.
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On October 05 2012 06:05 Keirathi wrote:
OR maybe you should just stop and use your brain for a second.
Lead by example or drop the personal attacks.
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Oh look, so if we want to treat Keirathi and SNB as semi-confirmed (We can always leave them till MYLO/LYLO and nuke them if we haven't disproven that theory by then, since they've at least claimed buddies), we should go back to what I've been saying for FUCKING FOREVER and kill Gonzaw.
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Oh, and since I'm sure people will ask why I didn't change my vote with the Keirathi claim, I was out. Just got home. Although I'm sure... certain people... will suddenly attack me as scum.
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On October 05 2012 11:52 Keirathi wrote:
What about Matt? He's the only person you didn't mention across those 2 posts, although you have said since n1 that you believe him to be town.
So your list is:
Town:
strongandbig
HiroPro
Keirathi
ghost_403
JingleHell
austinmcc
Crossfire99
gonzaw
Maybe:
Drazerk
??:
Mattchew
That seems...pretty unlikely?
I think he overdid the whole effort to stay alive by trying to ingratiate himself by calling people town.
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Oh, and right now I'm totally active lurking and watching the LoL World Championships. So yeah, I'm active lurking right now. Love me for it.
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Gonzaw, if you've missed my case because I didn't present it in Powerpoint, I'll have to join a whole lot of shrinks and elementary school teachers in not being able to help you.
Cry me a river, scum.
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Oh, sorry, did the last time I summed it up have too many big words?
I'm really tired of reminding you that my case against you is to convince others, not you. Don't get all pissy about me getting sick of you talking shit while you try to run roughshod over the town. You're scum, and I've already laid it out for everyone.
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Are you serious? You accused half the fucking thread during D1, of course you can call anything and everything an "OMGUS". That was one of my first points about you.
The fact that a now death confirmed townie suspected you shouldn't be part of your defense.
You're scum, I've pointed to tons of scummy behavior throughout the game. Just because the rest of the town is letting you run roughshod over them doesn't mean I'm going to, if you want to find the shit, go look for yourself. It's not particularly hard.
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On October 05 2012 13:27 gonzaw wrote:
Also, I don't get why people get so angry at me when they FoS me :/
(at least when I'm town)
Really?
On October 01 2012 07:14 gonzaw wrote:
Try not to be such an asshole Jingle, it's just freaking D1.
I'm having mixed feelings about you. I don't know if this aggressive "I don't care" behaviour of yours is a ruse or if it's legit, but it's confusing me a little bit (i.e I don't know if you'd react like that as scum).
I'm not asking people to bandwagon you, and asking for opinions and stances.
If it makes you feel any better though:
##Unvote: JingleHell
Jingle, what do you think of Mementos' 1st post about Keriathi and austin and his behaviour this game?
I wouldn't mind shifting discussion towards Mementos, ghost, S&B and maybe Nisani.
Hell S&B did absolutely nothing so far, maybe Drazerk is onto something.
P.S: Also Jingle, are you seriously saying you won't accuse anybody so they don't accuse you of OMGUSing back? Are you willing to accuse any of those people you mentioned just out of spite or because you seriously think they could be scum?
Don't start acting like the world is against you when you only have 2 votes and it's 24 hours into D1.
On October 02 2012 08:45 gonzaw wrote:
Town...you impress me
Jingle is town, but he's bad. Bolded bad. Chill out, don't OMGUS, pay attention and don't get all cocky and arrogant and spam the thread with those defenses of yours.
The way you argued and interacted with people and the way you kept "shitting things up" even though it was obvious you should have stopped doing that as scum makes me think there's a chance you can be town, so take that chance and try to play better.
You start a fight, throwing insults around, and now you pop off saying you don't get mad about being suspected?
So the insults and whatnot were part of your scum plan, right? Discredit the main guy pushing you, and try to push for emotional reactions? Since you weren't mad, I mean. That about it?
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