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On October 07 2012 05:54 gonzaw wrote:as scum) Differencing the colors between them is a pain in the ass though (there are only 6 combinations though).
Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 03:35 HiroPro wrote:On October 06 2012 11:03 gonzaw wrote:
Jingle, Hiro, what do you guys think about ghost and what I wrote about him?
Don't worry Jingle, even if I'm RS ghost can be BS, so you can actually pay attention to what I say. I hate using connections the way you just did. It's not reliable at all. Crossfire could very well have been mentioning ghost as town so much simply because he wanted to associate being against perfection as a town trait (protecting himself) I got the feeling off ghost that he was just being dumb early on with the Keirathi "too much effort" thing but I'm not sure now. He seemed really unwilling to do anything on the s&b/nisani lynch and I'm having trouble deciding whether that was because he was busy or whether he just didn't care who got lynched. I need to see more from him to decide. Who is BS then? You? Join in the discussion Hiro, who is the remaining BS and who is the remaining RS, or at least who is scum no matter what color he is?
I think you're the black scum. Could also be ghost or or jingle, not sure about them, but I would put my money on you.
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Xfire's role seemed way too underpowered. He had 5-maximum 1 KP to use, only if a night action was used on him, and could only be used on the guy above or below him on the list.
Compared to GlaDOS who was a RBer/GF/other shit that seems very underwhelming. Again considering Gordon Freeman is the most "important" figure from Black Mesa one would assume he got the best powers (just like you would assume GlaDOS got the best powers from RS). If so, then the remaining BS dude has shitty powers right? Maybe some kind of Framer ability that could deal 1 KP in some way or something.
Why is everything you say not make sense gonzaw? Freeman having a weak power makes it more likely that the remaining black scum have strong power/powers, not less likely
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rofl 6 mafia. try again ghost. try again.
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liar game had like 18 players.
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You guys are ignoring the most important thing....
Drazerk's s&b shot isn't just abnormal for him. It's also an inherently scummy action - townies shoot to kill scum, scum shoot to protect themselves.
That's what makes him scum, not this nonsense about whether he's drazerky or a dt or whatever else.
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more likely that drazerk is lying than a medic protecting s&b. lightning rod doesn't explain how s&b would know that he took a hit, if he didn't really take it.
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On October 08 2012 04:28 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 04:25 Drazerk wrote:On October 08 2012 04:23 gonzaw wrote:On October 08 2012 04:21 Drazerk wrote:On October 08 2012 04:20 gonzaw wrote:On October 08 2012 04:19 Drazerk wrote:On October 08 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote:On October 08 2012 04:15 Drazerk wrote:
Well no a medic could of saved him and a bus driver could have shifted medic abilities around especially with a bodyguard ability he could of absorbed someone elses medic save. Tell me: If he's scum, how did he survive your shot? Scum medic? Which scum? GlaDOS was dead by N1, Crossfire wasn't medic. If S&B is scum, he's alone right now, right? Which scum medic would have saved him? If you assume that, then you assume S&B is scum with someone else in a 3-man scum team. I believe 4-4-4-1 ATM How does that make any sense? It also means that if you are town, and I'm town, then nobody else is town in the freaking game. So basically you are saying that S&B and Kei belong to the same scum team, and Keirathi is scum medic that saved S&B? So that's why you want to kill them so badly, since one of them flipping red, plus your ability means the other one is confirmed scum? Even then: That means scum would have had 2 KP each night. Where are the 2 unaccounted for shots from N1 and N2? Hello lightning rods Hello guy that should have claimed on D1 but hasn't done that yet. If he targets all night actions then he can't possibly exist in this game (for instance: Nisani watched Mattchew. If he had watched Mementos then he would have seen everybody in the game visiting him). Yep, this doesn't make any sense, we can know that. So...is Drazerk telling the truth or is he trying to confuse us? If he's confusing us....why keep shut about his "unblockable KP" until now, instead of doing so on D2 and shit up the thread there?
shitting up the thread is only useful if you actually have teammates to benefit from the chaos... it puts attention onto yourself.
frankly i don't see a scenario that explains what drazerk is saying. therefore he's lying.
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nisani didn't protect me, he said he protected mattchew.
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stop that. my phone takes forever to load those.
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On October 08 2012 04:02 Drazerk wrote:
Bullet is immune to veteran abilities, bus driver effects and role blocks.
Not medics/lightning rods though.
Good job lying to us Drazerk. truly awesome.
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On October 08 2012 09:44 strongandbig wrote:
Hiro! who would you rather lynch tomorrow ghost or gonzaw and why
gonzaw. He made a statement to the effect that if JingleHell didn't make a case against him that didn't revolve around himself/talk about misrepresentation/stuff like that, that he would consider him scum. JingleHell made a case that was pretty much the stuff gonzaw said he didn't want (and the way gonzaw treated the case also pretty much said gonzaw considered it trash like that), but he still just went with the "JingleHell is bad townie" view, even though what he said before suggested he would do the opposite. Then it's the fact that gonzaw seems to be alternately goading JingleHell into going after him and alternately complaining about how JingleHell keeps coming after about him - in part of his response to me about this point he seemed happy about JingleHell leaving off him for a bit and now he's wondering why JingleHell didn't go full throttle after him on day 3.
Partly also cause he could be either red or black mafia too.
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fuck lol. austin could be scum. that drazerk stuff doesn't match up with the points where he kept shifting between gonzaw. like it's pretty well after. It looks like he just wants the gonzaw lynch but doesn't really want to be seen pushing it.
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like drazerk's post is here:
On October 08 2012 04:02 Drazerk wrote:
Bullet is immune to veteran abilities, bus driver effects and role blocks.
Not medics/lightning rods though.
But the part where he goes from kinda defending gonzaw to wanting his lynch is way before that:
On October 08 2012 01:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 01:26 JingleHell wrote:
Switch your vote until/unless he explains it, Austin, so that it's securely off Draz if Gonzaw refuses to explain the recent development stuff.
After all, he should be totally cool with the threat of "Explain or get lynched", he threw it at me earlier this game. The foreknowledge point is a good pickup. The fishing is there. The momentum stuff on D1 is there. But why do I want the lynch "securely off Draz"? Like...I just watched him get very few votes in a game where he was scum. I fooking chatted with him late while he was active and scum when nobody was around. Aperture 1 he gets caught playing Drazerk-y on D1. PTP3 he gets caught playing Drazerk-y on D1, but snb dies and nobody reads, so he survives. This game, he DOESN'T play Drazerk-y on D1. Why? He says time. Maybe. But he also keeps getting caught D1, and so maybe he suppresses that for a day here and then can't contain it D2? I dunno about that. He also just claims to mess with his meta, so maybe even if he hadn't been getting caught he'd go from Drazerk-y to not? Gah. Nor does stuff like this make me want to unvote: Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 01:19 Drazerk wrote:
Well Mattchews purposely lurking so you all ignore him.
S+B is blinded by rage
Hiro is probably AFK
Austin is probably scum and will go for the easy lynch
Gonzaw won't vote himself
Kei I really don't care about
Shame that activity is the bane of this game and your about to kill one of the most active players. Don't kill me, I'm one of the most active players. Instead, kill Gonzaw, who's been one of the most active players. He's right on mattchew; we're ignoring him. But he's complaining about activity and then calling out a guy who's been very active recently, albeit Gonzaw's activity is sometimes just gratuitous posts that don't help.
On October 08 2012 02:26 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 02:04 JingleHell wrote:On October 08 2012 01:49 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2012 01:26 JingleHell wrote:
Switch your vote until/unless he explains it, Austin, so that it's securely off Draz if Gonzaw refuses to explain the recent development stuff.
After all, he should be totally cool with the threat of "Explain or get lynched", he threw it at me earlier this game. The foreknowledge point is a good pickup. The fishing is there. The momentum stuff on D1 is there. But why do I want the lynch "securely off Draz"? Like...I just watched him get very few votes in a game where he was scum. I fooking chatted with him late while he was active and scum when nobody was around. Aperture 1 he gets caught playing Drazerk-y on D1. PTP3 he gets caught playing Drazerk-y on D1, but snb dies and nobody reads, so he survives. This game, he DOESN'T play Drazerk-y on D1. Why? He says time. Maybe. But he also keeps getting caught D1, and so maybe he suppresses that for a day here and then can't contain it D2? I dunno about that. He also just claims to mess with his meta, so maybe even if he hadn't been getting caught he'd go from Drazerk-y to not? Gah. Nor does stuff like this make me want to unvote: On October 08 2012 01:19 Drazerk wrote:
Well Mattchews purposely lurking so you all ignore him.
S+B is blinded by rage
Hiro is probably AFK
Austin is probably scum and will go for the easy lynch
Gonzaw won't vote himself
Kei I really don't care about
Shame that activity is the bane of this game and your about to kill one of the most active players. Don't kill me, I'm one of the most active players. Instead, kill Gonzaw, who's been one of the most active players. He's right on mattchew; we're ignoring him. But he's complaining about activity and then calling out a guy who's been very active recently, albeit Gonzaw's activity is sometimes just gratuitous posts that don't help. I'm more nervous about Hiro's invisibility than Mattchew's. Mattchew said he got a HotS invite right before he vanished, Hiro has just said almost nothing memorable all game. That sets off more of my "scum" alarms than anything else. As for why we'd want the lynch off Draz, I want it off him because Gonzaw has done several things recently that can literally ONLY benefit scum (make us look for less scum than there most likely are, act like he expects a townflip off Draz, his SNB+Keir plan that either sets up a block-free shot, or allows SNB+Keir, if they were scum, which I doubt, to withhold a shot and get free confirmed townie status). One of those things suggests Draz might well be town if Gonzaw flips scum. Avoiding a potential mislynch with scum grabbing town cred off the back of it scenario doesn't seem like a bad idea. Especially after how bad me chasing useless people in PTP3 went, I'm trying to chase scummy behavior first. Smacking down trolls/lurkers/etc. has to be a concerted effort with early game policy lynches. Those are reasons to want the lynch ON Gonzaw. They're not reasons to want the lynch OFF Drazerk, except that Gonzaw flipping scum could indicate Drazerk is town. Hold on. I just wrote up little hypotheticals about what happens if Drazerk/Gonzaw flip and are town/scum, how it makes the other look. But the "Gonzaw scum = Drazerk town" thing doesn't work. Multiple factions. Gonzaw scum = Drazerk not scum WITH Gonzaw. scumGonzaw can't know that Drazerk is town, just that he's not on Gonzaw's faction. Right?
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Nothing happened to me. And I'm pretty sure at the beginning of this game I was like 5th on the signup list.
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rofl what a role. kinda explains why you've been weird.
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I'm the Discouragement Redirection Cube. I can pick a target and a random action that targets me at night will get redirected onto the target. I picked nisani n1, gonzaw n2, and no one on n3 (figured I would definitely get protection from keirathi).
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i dunno how tracking works with my role. I don't get notifications for succesfully redirecting, so I don't know if he visited me or not.
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If this is true then then Hiro and ghost's swap is completely irrelevant (at all I would have been swapped with ghost).
what do you mean?
I picked nisani and you cause I thought you guys were scum and I wanted to redirect shots from me onto you two. I stayed away from drazerk cause s&b had said that he protected me n1, so I figured there was a decent chance he would do it again, and I didn't want to block any vig shots on drazerk. I didn't think you would get vigged.
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On October 10 2012 07:19 gonzaw wrote:
For instance:
Imagine there are the actions done on you at night:
-Medic saves you
-Scum use a KP on you
If you redirect the medic save onto someone else...does the scum KP kill you?
it should yea.
I don't think your tracking is reliable btw (your n1 doesn't make sense).
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