EPTOn October 01 2012 23:54 JingleHell wrote:
(Incoming accusation of OMGUS in 3, 2...)
(Incoming accusation of OMGUS in 3, 2...)
Ha this is funny (I made my previous post before you posted yours though)
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Ha this is funny (I made my previous post before you posted yours though) | ||
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Jingle is town, but he's bad. Bolded bad. Chill out, don't OMGUS, pay attention and don't get all cocky and arrogant and spam the thread with those defenses of yours. The way you argued and interacted with people and the way you kept "shitting things up" even though it was obvious you should have stopped doing that as scum makes me think there's a chance you can be town, so take that chance and try to play better. ghost and Nisani are likely scum I think, Mementos and Crossfire are there too. ghost/Nisani/Mementos/Crossfire/Drazerk I think all remaining scum are in there Small reasoning here (I have to do some shit, and will have to consolidate a post of mine with all my thoughts and shit and that may take a while, so this is the tl;dr version): ghost: Yes, I had a "gut" feeling his initial posts may have been from "trolling" townie....but I get the gut feeling he's using scum tactics to pile onto Keirathi there. That post of his reeks of "I'm scum trying to make a case against someone I really want suspicion on". No comments about iamperfection's interactions with him and viceversa. Will read him fully later. Nisani: His "comeback" post was too fluffy and didn't contribute at all. He's not part of discussions at all, and doesn't even try to be. "Not part of discussions"->Easiest heuristic for finding scum/town. "Nisani is not part of discussions"->It's more likely he's scum. Mementos: He didn't do anything at all throughout D1. Same heuristic here as well, he hasn't been part of any discussion even though he was active (like when ghost asked him a question). He didn't heavily push iamperfection so his vote on him doesn't mean anything, specially since unvoting him would not change anything. Still, it doesn't seem right that he'd bus his scummate that early and never try to shift attention to some other townie, so I'll keep that in mind. Crossfire: This guy HAS to be scum. He has done 0 contributions at all and spent 70% of his post "joking" with Drazerk about how he's "confused" about him. Drazerk: Doesn't contribute and just skates by. Like I said he's likely to do the same as town because of the style of his play; but as time goes by it only increases the chances of him being scum. Maybe S&B: I dunno, I'll have to wait if he decides to be useful or not. About Keirathi: This dude is active as fuck, I heavily doubt he's scum at all nor even 3rd party. Like I said before, there are some subtle things that make him town (like the same things that make Hiro town). Specially his attitude, activity and interactions with other people. Everybody that's suspicious of him reread his filter and the D1 thread, and then tell me in the eyes he's scum (and not just townie that made mistakes) and explain why. Yeah this is a shitty post, I'll be back later P.S: See? This is why you always pay attention to Mattchew. Even if he's scum he 100% busses all his teammates so you are bound to kill any scum he points fingers at. | ||
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Mattchew, Keirathi, Hiro and austin are all very likely town Jingle is likely town You may be wondering why I'm posting town reads at night? Well, 2 reasons: 1)People stop casting suspicion on them unless they have a very good case. That way we don't lose time and effort running around in circles. 2)So scum kill them instead of me tonight ( >_> ) If someone wants any specific reasons why I think those are town (other than the Keirathi one up there) ask, but if not I don't really want to dwell with all the psychoanalysis of their play and what makes them town and shit. | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:21 austinmcc wrote: Some of that "mountain" is because apparently I'm flip-flopping. You hadn't given your explanations at the time of my original post, so it was difficult to use them in getting a read on you. As to the bolded, Gonzaw mentioned this when he came into the thread, and I keep mentioning it in my posts. Yes, a chunk of my scumread on you is because I found someone in another game scummy for the same thing (Talismania, can't believe it's not themed mini) - having incongruent explanations for this "plan" of his that was to generate activity. Still figuring out how much of my read on you is based on it being similar to that, and I need to do that before I push a lynch on you. What we don't need is more votes being spread around because of offhand references to one person's experiences in another game. There's too much of that already. I noticed that too (I think I mentioned it before...maybe? I dunno). However, as the day went on the differences between their play was very noticeable. If you remember, talismania started off with his "bad" plan, spent 100% of his time talking about it and making up excuses and stuff, and then parked his vote on Dropbear. That was the only thing he did, he never participated in discussions or contributed to the lynch. Keirathi did make the bad plan and tried to rationalize it afterwards, but he's been very active and participant ever since; and there's the difference Anyways ignore me, I just have to do a lot of work tonight and I'm spouting anything that comes into my mouth (hey, at least I'm not talking about masons and the setup  )I'll make better posts later. | ||
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Also, technically I voted iamperfection before and posted reasoning why, so you (as town) would have it easier to lead the lynch on him after bathing in my wisdom >_> <_< | ||
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I would say that is the definition of "didn't do anything". If you did, it didn't have any impact on the game whatsoever and would actually be worse (i.e you are trying to hide and skate by). Also are you accusing me or something? If anybody wants to know about that "post" of mine, I had to leave to uni instantly since I had a test 1 hour from then, but had 0 idea on who to vote or if I should keep my vote on iamp, etc. I just wrote whatever was on my mind as quickly as possible, tried to decide who to vote in like 5 seconds, placed the vote and then left. On October 02 2012 08:54 Mattchew wrote: actually, you calling him scum and then second guessing yourself is what gave me the confidence to stay with it lol Pfff I had it all planned  Wait....the deadline was 1 hour ago? Damn, I think I was home before the deadline (I got home like 1 hour and a half ago), but I assumed the deadline already passed and started reading the thread instead  Fuck almost fucked it up. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:58 Mementoss wrote: Also @gonzaw, austin is most likely town for what? Sheeping onto iamperfection when mattchew told him to? Trying to counterwagon a last minute switch onto keirathi? Dude, either your out of it this game or scum not sure. One easy way to show he's town is that gigantic post he made with pretty good reasons on why me and Matt are town. There's only like 4% reason he'd post that as scum (specially using good reasons and not just posting shit to appear he's contributing). Other than that, again his interactions with people and shit. It's kind of complex to explain in a rush | ||
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On October 02 2012 09:52 JingleHell wrote: Luckily, Gonzaw is an arrogant dipshit who forgets that while he was wishy-washy tunneling me, he was actually just throwing around throwaway votes and has no room to "I told you so" anyone, or expect to be treated as town for his vote. Let's get him tomorrow, gents. Or am I supposed to ignore his tone in his post and bathe in good feelings because he agreed that I'm town while he spewed all sorts of shit? "Town you impress me" is kind of the opposite of "I told you so". Hell I expected it to be a misslynch (I even said so myself) so I'm very impressed. If people had done what I told them to they would have lynched you and (unfortunately) you would have flipped town most likely. Please read carefully before posting. Also I'm not an "arrogant dipshit" and that's the most ironic statement I've seen in TL mafia. Again, carefully read my post, specially the part where I give you advice. Let's get him tomorrow, gents. No. Calm down, read the thread carefully, stop being so biased and arrogant and think. After you've done that come back and consider lynching me again. I won't take you seriously until you do @S&B: Dude, start posting NOW or I'll do everything in my power to kill you. If I can ever be justified in tunneling the hell out of you in any game we play together it's in this one. You only have 7 freaking posts, 4 of them having less than 3 lines. @Crossfire: You know, the fact that you forgot it's plurality lynch and not majority lynch actually makes you look worse, since you parked your vote on iamperfection and left. If you were scum maybe you thought there would be a NL so you thought iamperfection was safe before disappearing. Is this the case? I don't know. If you don't give more thorough reads and actively participate in discussion while giving your thoughts on things discussed and your thought process (<-most important one) I and the rest of town can't know for sure. | ||
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He could have easily tried to bus ghost and then not do anything since pushing ghost would mean ghost would get lynched, meaning scum lose 1 member anyways. Although the possibility that he made an easy case on an easy town target is also plausible. Either way, take it with a grain of salt. Analyze ghost by his behaviour alone and not by having an ambigious link to iamperfection. About ghost: (Disclaimer: This isn't supposed to be a case against him or anything. I just want to point out some stuff I want some feedback on since I'm not sure if he's scum or not (although he's a possibility, just like when I added him to that previous list).) I'd want some discussion on ghost, who I'm torn about and think could be scum (although his attitude at times feels too overconfident to be one). On October 02 2012 05:36 ghost_403 wrote: Something's off about austin's play this game. I dunno what. I can't put my finger on it, and I have no idea why. I think I'm going to read a few of his previous games. I'm still happy trying to lynch Keirathi today. After his initial case on Mattchew, he's done more or less no analysis this game. If looking through austin's previous games doesn't yield anything interesting, I might spend a bit more time staring at Keirathi's filter and write up my thoughts on it. IMP doesn't read like scum to me at a moment. I didn't see anything substantial in the cases presented in the thread to change my mind on that at the moment. This is the only thing he mentions about iamp. He doesn't mention at all the fact that iamperfection had a half-assed case on him. I find this weird...since anybody would be alert to anybody FoSing them, specially if it's because of bad reasons. For instance, it took me, Mattchew and others to "defend" ghost, but never ghost himself. He doesn't even try to defend himself or acknowledge there's someone voting him, which is odd as hell no matter what alignement iamperfection had. I'd like ghost to tell us why he didn't even bother to acknowledge people's votes/suspicions on him. Him going after Keirathi seems weird to me too, since I thought Keirathi was pretty apparent town at that point and it seemed ghost ignored the things that made him so just to attack him and form a late bandwagon on him. Although the more I think about it the more I think that there may be players out there that just don't play similarly to me and look at different things to find scum and ignore some others (i.e there's a possibility ghost legitimately thought his case was good) Anyways, feedback would be appreciated. I'll try not to flood the thread with "I'm not sure about X, so here's a "semi" case against him, and here's a "semi"-defense against him" walls of text, since I know people don't seem too fond of them and ignore them and then label me as scum for being "wishy-washy" or something However, any additional information that can make us figure out someone else's alignement is useful. Instead of thinking it like "here's a case I'm making against ghost/etc" think of it as "I found this interesting thing, what do you think about it?". Hopefully there are no more misunderstandings regarding my play in the future. | ||
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On October 02 2012 10:48 JingleHell wrote: The only irony here is that you start talking shit (which, thankfully, came well AFTER I pointed to your earlier, lighter efforts at inflammation) and then act like I'm being unreasonable when I turn it around on you. Oh, and maybe the fact that you're trying to use my defense that you clearly hated against me now. QQ much? No, you're caught, give it up. It wouldn't be the first time that a soft bus wasn't enough to buy someone town cred. Byebye. You are not making any sense Jingle. Although good job in convincing me you are bad town rather than scum I guess that means you are not actually playing that "bad"? >_> Hell if I know. | ||
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I seriously haven't seen anything resembling a serious accusation from you against me, other than that "you softly bussed iapmerfection" and "he's wishy-washy" | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:54 JingleHell wrote: Oh, so you're ignoring the thread, except when it's convenient? More scumtell-ish-ness. Keep handing me evidence. Certainly, if you're going to make personal attacks, which you did, you should be basing them off the person's posting, which should imply you've read it well enough to know it's there. God dammit you are annoying. On October 02 2012 00:45 JingleHell wrote: How long do I plan to wait to go into hard-push mode on someone? Until I'm reasonably confident in my assessment. I'm not going to suddenly play differently just to make you happy, so deal with it. If you really want someone slammed into the floor, take a case and run with it, and slam someone into the floor. Don't wait for a scapegoat to lead the case. At any rate, my favorite target right now would probably be Gonzaw, between the stuff I've already pointed to, his wishy-washy voting everywhere, and his public "Oh, the person who's most interested in me is going to be my placeholder vote, I'll be back some time after the deadline, which might make that person look scummy if they decided to push". That's survivor play, not town-win play. In fact, speaking of such, ##Vote Gonzaw That bolded part was the only one I noticed....and really you expect me to respond to that? I don't even know what to respond to. The only other point I've seen floating around was how I wasn't helping consolidate the lynch on one target and apparently wanted other people to "lead the bandwagon" for me. Again, I don't know what to respond to because that's true. I can't consolidate a lynch into a target I don't know in 5 minutes. I didn't have time to properly read the filters of iamperfection/Jingle/Mementos/etc to decide who of them to lynch and consolidate on, so yeah, I just put all I had onto the table, and asked other people to take it into account and do something with it. Oh yeah, I forgot about this one: I'm seriously starting to get paranoid about Gonzaw. He wants other people to weigh in before he commits to a course of action, he posts in a way intended to spark arguments, he doesn't give a shit who gets lynched, and he spreads suspicion around like icing on a cake. I don't have any defense about it other than "it's wrong". I did want people to weigh in before committing to a course of action. A more proper way of wording it would be "I wanted the guys I was suspicious of to post more to figure out their alignment and figure out which one of them is scum...and of course other townies weighing in would be good too". I don't know how I "post in a way intended to spark arguments"....but even if I did you say I'm doing it on purpose? Fuck if I knew I had that ability I'd have taken advantage of it by now and dominated all my scum games with it "He doesn't give a shit who gets lynched" is wrong too, don't know what else you want me to say unless you give specific examples "He spreads suspicion around like icing on a cake" again is wrong too. Unless you substitute "suspicion" with "acknowledgement of odd/scummy play to analyse", in which case it would be correct. So...yep, hopefully you either stop this bullshit altogether or try to come up with a proper structured case that people can respond to and weigh in their opinion (those that haven't done so already). Try not to spam and don't spend 100% of your time and effort trying to "catch the obvious scum gonzaw!" because it will waste your and everybody's time. | ||
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By "come up with a proper structured case" I mean one that at least tries to have good points and has specific examples of stuff you want to prove, but more than that takes into account my general play, contributions, etc and doesn't just completely ignore them (like people did in Can't Believe when they FoSed me). | ||
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I know I'm town so I know your case is wrong. However you don't know that, so I try to make you figure out if it's wrong, or at least try to make you do something with it. I.e make a case that people can understand and read and do something that contributes to town (as long as nobody sheeps you ) instead of attacking me in every single post of yours and spending 90% of your time posting "let's lynch gonzaw tomorrow" without any further contributions.However, I know I'm town and I think you are town, so as long as nobody thinks you are scum then I'm completely fine with everybody ignoring your case against me and I'm completely fine with discrediting you for that purpose (as long as you don't shit up the thread). Anyways, I'll try and look at Nisani and Mementos better in the morning, and maybe Drazerk and S&B. I still fully intend that thing about S&B, he should really step up his game. Crossfire, I'd also like more contributions, specially who you think is scum/suspicious or at least who you have doubts on. Try to take some initiative. | ||
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Second things second: I'll try to post my mild thoughts here (again, take into account I haven't reread filters). I'm working on a uni project right now, I'm gonna eat and go to uni, and I'll come back after the deadline, so I have no time to put into this. Anyways, to austin: Hmm, I guess ghost's actions read town to many. Okay, I'll drop that (unless someone finds something else). I'd still like him to chime in and comment on people other than Keirathi, and to answer my question. I'm getting better vibes out of Crossfire since his interactions with me and other townies seem genuine this N1, at least that's the guy feeling I get. This leaves me with 4 guys: Nisani, Mementos, Drazerk, S&B. There's this little voice in the back of my mind that tells me "Drazerk and S&B are bussing each other to disrupt everything in the thread and cause shitstorms and then when one of them flips the other one plays the 'a confirmed scum wanted me dead therefore I'm town' card; just like that Toad-vs-VE feud from LI". None of them did anything to contribute to town, except maybe Drazerk at some points, but it is still entirely possible he can be scum, since his vote on austin was uber-bad and he just left his vote there and didn't care about the lynch at all (e.g he just posted random videos and left his vote on someone it seemed he didn't even think was scum until the deadline). S&B did absolutely nothing other than complain against Drazerk. Mementos is looking better than them, yes, based on him being the "first one to attack iamperfection". At least I can give him the benefit of the doubt over Drazerk/S&B because of that. Nisani didn't do much, and even though he did seem like a "bored townie" to me when I mentioned him earlier, some scum may be able to emulate that behaviour (and Nisani may be one of them) so he's not completely off the hook. That list is not definitive (like my previous ones) but it's the one I'll be working with on D2 if I'm still alive and nothing out of the ordinary happens (like claims, etc). Little thing about Keirathi: Yes, I agree that there are some "weird" things with him, like that rationalization of his plan he did, and the way he acted towards the deadline wanting to avoid lynching iamp and Drazerk. But meh, considering the rest of his play I can see it coming from a town Keirathi that just didn't read iamp well. Everybody makes mistakes. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:44 Drazerk wrote: I tried to take the mafia KP and shoot scum with it... There was a UG game where I actually shot a scumbuddy at night. He was confirmed scum by a lynched DT, so we thought "What the hell you'll get lynched tomorrow anyways" and decided to kill him at night. Next day was a NL and the next day we won the game with a misslynch. ...good times. | ||
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First things first: Was someone saved? Did a vig shoot someone? Was someone RBed. | ||
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Disclaimer: Ignore this if you are butthurt about setup speculation and night kill speculation I take it Mementos did jail someone last night, so anyone claiming RBed would be nice to figure out who did. Don't really know how that Rat Den thing works...are people still allowed to be jailed? It's possible Mementos jailed Keirathi or austin and they were shot, meaning we'd have 3 remaining scum or a SK or maybe a vig shot Mementos (unlikely but still possible). If we go by the assumption there are 2 scum left (and 3 scum total, which seems fine for a 13 player game), then Mementos was killed by scum and there was no other saved KP. Night Kill Speculation: Well, let's just first assume it was a scum kill. Seems that scum were scared they couldn't actively push Mementos because of his "town cred" of voting iamperfection first and sticking with his vote. It is entirely possible a scum austin would kill mementos to avoid the pressure and then say "I wouldn't do that as scum"....but really I haven't really seen that happen when non-vet-players are concerned (i.e if it was wbg or Ace or something I wouldn't just shrug it off). Seems possible scum just saw an opportunity to kill the "guy that will be difficult to lynch" and put some suspicion on austin, whether they intend to act on it or not (as long as it's not suspicion on them). Tune in next post for actual content... | ||
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Well, thank you scum for shooting a suspect instead of, let's say, Hiro or Keirathi or austin. This leaves me 3 guys I'm suspicious of for now: Drazerk, S&B and Nisani. If we go by the "there are 3 scum" theory, then there should be 2 scum in there. The most "useful" out of them is Drazerk (and that isn't saying much). There's a sort of fearless way he posts that doesn't really make me feel he's scum (like I said before I think). He's kind of overconfident in his "trolling". He posts lots of one-liners which is null-scummy at best, but meh, gut feeling tells me he'd post less "advice" as scum and try to shit up the thread more (if he's going by the "post trolling one-liners" route) instead of just sort of "being" there posting whatever comes across his mind and not caring about anything. He goes to the bottom of that list. It doesn't really help that the other 2 guys on that list want him dead so bad. strongandbig: I again repeat what I said before: he had 7 posts on D1 and 4 of them were smaller than 3 lines (and didn't have any content at all). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372174&user=116463 On October 01 2012 14:25 strongandbig wrote: here's what im thinking right now hiro might be scum because he's posted a lot of small one-liners and asked a bunch of questions but not actually contributed much of anything of his own in terms of reads or analysis. drazerk might be scum because he switched his read from keirathi to me for little reason. not giving any reason why he unvoted keirathi shows that he doesn't really care about who he votes for, he just wants to push the thread around. he knows that he and i often get into shitfights and it's advantageous for him as scum to try and start one, as long as he thinks i won't be able to push a scum read on him through, which he probably does because he's arrogant. the thing is - his argument works both ways around - he says that I should know he doesn't actually try to win as town, but he focuses on third party, so my calling him out for that makes me scum. The thing is, I call him out for that every game - his attempting to call me out on it this game for being scum makes no sense. he's trying to use circular logic but it backfired. mattchew is sort of trying to scumhunt. this is very helpful in narrowing down his playstyle. he's either doing his bus-all-the-scum scum routine, or he's actually townie. mattchew very rarely makes up fake scum reads on town players when he's scum, he either posts cases on his teammates or just lurks the shit out of everything. so what that means is you can put a high amount of trust that his reads are genuine - he's either bussing or actually trying to find scum. crossfire99 - pretty focused on drazerk nisani - lol. what a "case". also ##vote: drazerk I think he's probably scum and I want him out of this game. This post has 0 committal. It's not only just a list of "sort of" reads, but it's a list with no context at all that he never dwells back on. He never mentions Hiro, Mattchew or Crossfire again. This is just a big pile of fluff and it disappoints me S&B would post this instead of interacting with people and fleshing out his reads in the thread. Making 1 paragraph saying "Mattchew is trying to scumhunt, could be scum or not" is not a read or content at all. If he had started talking to Mattchew or trying to figure out Mattchew's alignment it would be one thing, but he just drops a "stupid" list and doesn't even care about it. Same with this one: On October 03 2012 03:11 strongandbig wrote: Sorry I've been less than up to my standards. Been busy, whatever. /shrugs. A few thoughts: 1. Because the vote was so close and there were so few ppl on iamperfection, it would not have looked bad for scum to be somewhere else and any scum on iamperfection could relatively easily have switched to avert his lynch. If there was scum on him it was sub-optimal play. Scum do stupid things; I got hammered by my teammates once while I was off playing dota. But in the balance I propose looking away from the iamperfection voters for now. 2. Drazerk's whole play is based around the premise "I refuse to try and look or be townie, so fuck you for trying to analyze me." We should kill him, it's the only sensible town response to that play. Also I think he's scum because he jumps around on votes without a care in the world, and because of that circular reasoning thing from before. Still, I'm not as sure about him as I have been in the past. 3. Getting medium bad vibes from jingle, but I can't put my finger on why. 4. Nisani looks pretty useless - his reasoning for voting Drazerk is pretty dumb IMO and it seems like he's doing some stupidly weak pressure. Like the best he came up with was "too many null reads". 5. I can't remember the last time Austin was scum, any help? Laters One thing I can't possibly understand is his fixation with Drazerk. Ever since his 1st post he's been 100% obsessed with lynching Drazerk without any solid reasoning. He just states "Drazerk calls me out because I called him out, but he should have known I call him out every game so he's scum" and "Drazerk says he doesn't care about winning". Yes, maybe those points are enough to warrant suspicion on Drazerk, but not to spend 100% of your posts trying to lynch him and forgetting about everything else. There's also the fact that he didn't try to get Drazerk lynched at all, he just FoSed him and disappeared until after the deadline. Also I find odd how he calls out Nisani both times: nisani - lol. what a "case". Nisani looks pretty useless - his reasoning for voting Drazerk is pretty dumb IMO and it seems like he's doing some stupidly weak pressure. Like the best he came up with was "too many null reads". ...but he never does anything with it? I don't really like making connections between living players since I'm generally wrong, but shit if that isn't a "let's pressure my scumbuddy but not get him lynched" action. Nisani: On September 30 2012 14:32 Nisani201 wrote: ##Vote: Drazerk I don't understand why he's still pushing against Keirathi. His plan was clearly poorly thought out, I see no scum motivation behind it. Drazerk is taking a newbie mistake and calling it scum play. Like I said before this post struck me as odd, since Nisani had 0 contributions in the thread yet came out of nowhere with a vote almost instantly. Same with JingleHell, but at least JingleHell seemed genuine about it (i.e he came suddenly and forcefully into the thread and has kept up his activity and forceful..ness? ever since). Nisani came "strong" into the thread, like he instantly knew Drazerk was scum without ever trying to join a discussion and then disappeared. On October 02 2012 06:33 Nisani201 wrote: Alright I've finally caught up on the thread. First of all, I understand what jingle is saying about being discouraged to be aggressive because of playing a lot of shitty games. I've played plenty of bad games as town and they don't push me to play better. See learned helplessness. I also think it's unfair to call out Jingle for not scumhunting because he's been under fire this entire game. I don't think he's scum. I'm null on perfection-- I don't like how he's only talking about ghost but other than that he doesn't have anything else scummy about him. I'd like to hear about his reads on other people. I still don't understand why we're letting Drazerk get away with playing an incredibly shitty game. He has *way* too many null reads and is barely contributing. I'm going to keep my vote on him. I mean just look through his filter and you'll see how little he's contributed. Gonzaw is someone I'm going to spend some more time looking into. Something feels off about him. This is his only contribution in the game other than his Drazerk vote. This post feels wrong: -His defense of Jingle feels like it came out of nowhere -He's "null" on perfection and spouts some wishywashy stuff about him and puts the usual "I want him to post more reads, I'll wait for him" scum tactic scum always use with their buddies (I should know of I always use it). -He's now fixated on Drazerk again, but for completely different reasons than in his 1st post, and he never explains his change of opinion on Drazerk (or rather what made him "upgrade" his read). Making an initial vote early on D1 because of some stupid play is not the same as heavily FoSing someone because they lack contributions and shit, and that transition he made doesn't feel genuine at all. A townie would at least try to explain his read and how his read evolved (for instance saying something like "I initially thought Drazerk was scum just because he was taking advantage of that, but reading his filter more and more he lacks contributions, like here *example* and bla bla bla"). He's just doing the same thing S&B is doing and FOS Drazerk with as little reasoning as possible, never trying to push for his lynch and never caring about anything else that's happening other than making a "contribution" post with irrelevant stuff that they never discuss ever again. Anyways, I don't really know who to vote of, I want them both dead. I think Nisani is more likely to be scum though, so let's start there: ##Vote: Nisani201 I just don't know if S&B is purposefully trolling and playing like shit for some reason. In Can't Believe he did some "trolling posts" on D1 as well, but at least he was more active. P.S [Speculation] Shit now that I think about it it's possible all 3 of S&B, Nisani, Drazerk are scum and are making a super bus play or something (since it seems that's the only thing scum do these days). But I'm wary of that since it would have meant I got all 3 scum correct last night and scum chose not to shoot me and shot the 4th guy from my list...and well that's too convinient (even though it could have happened and they did it to WIFOM me, like when scum didn't shoot Nova in Magic Mini and countless of times). | ||
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You are willing to entertain the idea that 2 of the most active players, and most contributors (in a way) are scum but you won't entertain the idea that guys that didn't do shit on D1 or N1, where never around, didn't care about discussion or the lynch at all, and the only contribution they had was 1 post with a "list" of reads that were full of fluff aren't? Entertain the idea please, at least so you pay attention to them. If you think they are town and me or austin scum then please state so | ||
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