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On September 26 2012 06:26 strongandbig wrote: So lets have a boring policy discussion to get us dicsussing something until someone does something scummy! This is the first game I've played with instant majority lynch. It seems like it can cut off day time and bring nights faster, which presumably would help scum. What are people's opinions on establishing a second nonbinding vote system and agreeing not to vote for real until like 24 hours or more into a day? Also lets random lynch day 1! On one hand you would like to be careful with the voting because of the instant majority, on the other you would like a random lynch. So why would you like a random lynch d1? | ||
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On September 26 2012 07:09 thrawn2112 wrote: ok so if you are going to be the last vote then you must say so in advance? no, you shouldn't vote as last if the guy had no chance to defend or claim. if you do anyway and he flips town, you will be lynched. | ||
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On September 26 2012 07:39 thrawn2112 wrote: that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense sorry, I didn't get what you meant because if someone is one vote from lynching then he ought to know | ||
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On September 26 2012 22:27 phagga wrote: I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself): 1) ShiaoPi (Taiwan) 2) Bluelightz (Indonesia) 3) iamperfection (US) 4) austinmcc (US) 5) strongandbig (US) 6) Ottoxlol (Unknown) 7) thrawn2112 (US) 8) Sinensis (US) 9) Phagga (Switzerland) Further discussing this topic only gives scum the possibility to appear active without contributing. I agree with Sinensis that Boxers should not claim early. Boxers claiming only gives good targets to scum (as Sinensis explained), gives scum more knowledge about the setup and gives town the amount of blues with powers, which is all bad. Town should not rely on blues to scum hunt anyway, so not knowing if there are any blues to help is preferable. I'm EU, but on somewhat closer to us sleeping schedule fyi. I think we should give reasonable time for discussion to flow before lynching, we have 72 hours, fast lynching mostly favors scum in the beginning imo. s&b, On September 26 2012 10:33 strongandbig wrote: I thought there might be enough new players in the game that the scum team wouldn't have seen palmar do it in the past and would thus take it seriously. It only needed one or two townies to go along with it to get them freaked out, but I guess the townies in this game don't know why palmar does it, either. Why would scum freak out with random lynch? Sorry if I interpret random lynch in a different way, but that would give them a free pass to vote without any reasoning. austin: Why would a Boxer claim be any good for town atm? | ||
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First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute: SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. | ||
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On September 27 2012 21:46 Bluelightz wrote: Okay, back from school, ate dinner and took a bath and so it's mafia time. Suspicions I'm currently interested in Ottoxlol and austinmcc. austinmcc: He might be scum because he hasn't done ANY scum-hunting, just useless role discussion that won't get us anywhere unless there IS the role. Ottoxlol: Has a suspicion on SnB, better then austinmcc, but the reason why? First reason, he points out why SnB is scum, but doesn't point out that the point he pointed out is neccesarily scummy. Second, completely unrelated with why SnB is scum, "why me? why lynch me?!". These points I think are scummy because this post feels like it's a post that want's to dodge giving information to town. As well as, besides his suspicion post, his post's are all about Hammering etc, and they are truly short. This point is scummy because he's just spending time posting useless post's that won't help finding and killing scum. Out of the both, austinmcc seems more likely to be town then Ottox to me. ##FoS: austinmcc and Ottoxlol I don't understand this one, its the same as SnB, you had 3 posts before this one, one is a question, the other 2 are excuses. How can you call out others on things you do as well? | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others? | ||
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I will wait for him to post, then we will see | ||
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The question was that if we would have gone along with the random lynch, why would it be good for town or scum? The way I see it only scum would want "random" lynch, could you explain it to me why you are not scum for wanting random lynch? @phagga That game was completely different from this. The previous game (LIII) I posted in a similar manner like this btw, I made a case on a blue who we lynched because his bad claim, we had almost zero discussion, the game ended with total scum victory, I wanted to make sure we do not lynch another blue and I saw a chance that Matt was one, so at least I tried to get everyone talking why did they voted. It didnt work out very well... If I did not defend myself you could have said that I gave up so I must be scum. Why is it a bad thing that I try to explain my actions and my thought process so we dont start off with a mislynch? @austin My main problem is you try to skew my post in a very different way then its written. My response to Bluelightz can be used for you as well, you do not point out why am I scummy other then I don't scumhunt (when next part you attack me for wanting to get answers from SnB, lol at waiting is bad with instant majority) | ||
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On September 28 2012 05:40 austinmcc wrote: That is not a defense. That is you requesting that we give you more information. You may think you need that information in order to mount a defense (I don't know what I'm being accused of, so I can't respond), but that doesn't quite fit with "All these other people are doing the same thing/being scummy" because you're basically saying "We all look bad," which is absolutely not a defense...it's an admission that you don't look good followed by nothing to make you look good. Especially when you don't give any particulars and you're just content to summarily state that many others are acting similarly. The way in which you "defended" yourself a is a lot of what looks off about you, because you're just casting a little bit of doubt on most of the thread in what you're doing, rather than pointing out what you've done that's not scummy, or going and making a case on someone that you DO find scummy. Nor do any of the other people on the list seem to be waiting around for one player to comment on one thing so that they can do anything. It fits because as far as I understand the vote on me by you is because i don't hunt scum, then what is "That is you requesting that we give you more information." if not that? And there is asking SnB why did he do something only scum would do (imo) | ||
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Check out my previous post, I think you can read my intentions clearly. I asked everyone who voted me why me over the others, still waiting on you guys to post it. I think I am hunting scum with this also with my questions toward SnB, if you still think I should do more then lynch me idc, this is what I can give town. No one doing anything special (much more then this) so idk why is the bus on me. | ||
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thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me: On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote Ottoxlol Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why? The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him. First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute: SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? " | ||
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On September 28 2012 07:38 strongandbig wrote: Otto you clearly didn't actually read the post where I explained the random lynch gambit. I wonder if it worked after all? For the last time, I am asking why would scum freak out, as far as I am concerned random lynch would mean they can vote without any reasoning so I see it as a 100% scum move. Explain it to me in detail pls. | ||
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On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question quote pls? | ||
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My case on thrawn: On September 28 2012 07:32 Ottoxlol wrote: thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me: The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted Where in the hell did you get this "You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? " His response: On September 28 2012 07:48 thrawn2112 wrote: lol do you really not know what I'm talking about? You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question. I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please ##Vote thrawn2112 | ||
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On September 28 2012 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is. So your original problems with snb's suggestion were that you couldn't see how it could be fairly done as far as actual logistics goes? You didn't say anything like that at all when you said you first said you didn't like the idea. I did not decline answering, I already told Blue that I would vote SnB but first I want to hear his response. you can see what I wrote, you quoted it  )))) He asked that if I will vote for him, I reply we will see what he will respond. One more lie, this is the first time I post my concern about the random lynch thing: On September 26 2012 23:10 Ottoxlol wrote: s&b, Why would scum freak out with random lynch? Sorry if I interpret random lynch in a different way, but that would give them a free pass to vote without any reasoning. As you can see I am already concerned with that I am not sure if I understand random lynch and that I don't like it if its the way I think it is. This was my 5th post. | ||
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On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote: Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis. | ||
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On September 29 2012 22:16 Bluelightz wrote: Why is my case one of the weakest? I might vote phagga tomorrow, but I'm feeling like I should rethink phagga, although my brain still says phagga is scum. Also, How the fuck could I push phagga when I was asleep after posting my case (or my last post of day 1?) Your case on him was that he post too much useless things, and only that, this is why I found it kind a weak. You had a very strong town read on thrawn, and thats why it is kind of surprising that you did not try more, I suppose if you slept its ok. | ||
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However despite your efforts(?) not too much of a discussion emerged even though iamperfection was in the thread. You voted at .15, then waited half an hour, asked if anyone around at .45, then when iamp .52 posted that was too late for discussion for you, when he replied that its still a plenty of time you had a question for him at 57 (moments before the lynch). If your main priority was to stir up the thread a bit why wait so long? Also why not make a nice case on him that you can point to, instead of just asking "what do you think about phagga"? I feel somehow the same with the thing in my previous post about unvoting me, you seem to put a lot of effort into the game but doesnt care at all about who we lynch. | ||
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On September 30 2012 15:18 iamperfection wrote: and though i responded to this earlier i would like to know what you mean by active but not in discussion please. I mean the thread was discussing phagga lynch and you didn't talk about it at all, I find it very strange that one would not tell his thoughts as town. I don't feel like the case on Sinensis has any real points, his useless wifoming can be something to derail this awesomely active mafia game but idk, my gut says its nothing. I don't see where his logic failed (btw, I pinned austin as scummy too, this was only one of his scummy posts, I already posted N1 my suspicion on him.) Iamperfection, you announced that you will start hunting scum, that you are suspicious of the 2 lurkers and phagga but did not provide anything why. After that Sinensis comes around with this useless "I would have voted austin if he's alive and thrawn is scum" and you vote him, even when I feel like your fos on SnB is much more viable. This is the post I am referring to + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again. I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that" Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense. So fos for that on Otto. But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent. In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you. So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn. This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point. So I think we should lunch thrawn. I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it. So ##vote: thrawn2112 I really would like to get this thread active and I don't see any other way then to start lynching lurkers. If they care at all they can come back before hammering. SnB not just lurks but posted this strange nolynch thingy. My concern with Bluelightz is that he did not try to psh for phagga even tho he had a townread on thrawn, his case on phagga was very weak, he don't pursue his other scumread Sinensis at all. ##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking | ||
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My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today | ||
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Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you. | ||
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Meanwhile you still fail to explain why do you think scum must have voted thrawn, when everyone voting phagga was wrong just as well. | ||
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What do you make of Bluelightz? His case on me is one thing, but what do you think about his unwillingness to check those who voted phagga d1? | ||
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On October 03 2012 01:12 ShiaoPi wrote: also I think we might be heading into no-lynch since nobody is giving a fuck this is what I fear.. snb is on his way to get modkilled right? I think his 36h is up Blazinghand? | ||
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##vote strongandbig | ||
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On October 03 2012 20:00 Bluelightz wrote: I don't think there's a chance Ottox is town after what he did in the last minutes ... I already explained it, what do you mean? | ||
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On October 03 2012 22:11 Bluelightz wrote: Ottox says 'No one supported my Bluelightz case' But he didn't do a shit about convincing people, then he just flipped on SnB with no real case (at that time). Anyway, I still think Ottox is scummy and should die tommorow. Stop lying. I already explained why I hammered SnB. It was a good play if you are town. If you fail to understand the basic mechanics maybe you should try something less hard to play. On October 03 2012 00:43 Ottoxlol wrote: I do.. I asked you Shiaopi what is wrong with Sinensis again, the post he did quote was scummy in my opinion so his logic is ok i think. What do you make of Bluelightz? His case on me is one thing, but what do you think about his unwillingness to check those who voted phagga d1? Everyone else was afk , waiting on you to answer what did you mean by only looking at thrawn voters or dissed my case with such ignorance I had no chance to lynch you. Thank god you started posting, I have so much more thing to work with ))) | ||
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On October 03 2012 22:40 Bluelightz wrote: Stop lying , you did nothing else then ask for someone else's read on me (read: NOT CONVINCING LOL).Thats pushing you nice and clever guy. if you are trying to get me modkilled for insulting you are on the right track. | ||
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I have nullread on him, I already said that your case on him was bad, that doesnt make him town. | ||
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I think I will vote iamp for his general lack of contribution even though hes active a lot and strange votes. who will you guys vote and why | ||
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why would u wifom about artanis, if our cop didnt claim when he did he played REALLY bad, I mean he lost us an easy win. | ||
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I found it strange that no one cares about my conversation with Bl thats why I started to focus less on him, but finding the other scum. That doesnt mean I have a townread on him lol | ||
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Iamp? You solved the game but you didn't vote? What kind of bs is that? I think thats enough for me ##Vote: iamperfection | ||
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On October 05 2012 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: haha so much for discussing I guess. Yeah i'm gonna vote since bluelightz already said he would. Also if he were town and scum was watching, we woudl have already lost by now. ##vote iamperfection What the fuck is that? How do he knows that I am town? ##vote kushm4sta | ||
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On October 05 2012 10:10 iamperfection wrote: your not trying to trick me are you.....? can you interpret that other then a scum slipping? also why did he unvote instantly then said lets vote the same? why did he remove the vote then asked for the vote? wth | ||
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yes I was the first to mention it yesterday. I am confident in my vote, I think you slipped, then there was that unvote thing and this begging... iamp got 2 votes he attacked both of us. kushm4sta got 2 votes, he started begging since one of them is town the other is scum, what would a town do when there are two votes on him? on the chance that the votes are both from scum he tries to hunt them. you didnt do this, somehow you know I am town (again, wtf) instead started begging | ||
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On October 05 2012 10:55 ShiaoPi wrote: kill bluelightz and gg? :D I think tomorrow will be the shortest day ever :D gg | ||
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On October 05 2012 10:22 kushm4sta wrote: huh? i dont get what you are saying ottox. i think you may not understand the significance of voting for someone in this specific scenario. at least one of these must be true 1 there is scum among the afk (shiaopi and bluelightz) 2 either iamp or me is scum :DDD wp iamp, too bad you killed me. I should have been more active last night, but I was sure you would kill Shiaopi since he's a better player and won't miss this, also I tried to hint that I think you are town.. didnt work out. gg | ||
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