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On September 28 2012 22:59 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:
I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this. what do you mean elaborate please?
I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work.
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@ShiaoPi My current scum read is primarily on Sinensis and phagga, explanations:
On Sinensis, I can see his reasoning before his thrawn vote, but his thrawn vote is what makes me think he's scum.
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
He bases his vote on responses, but the problem is he didn't show why thrawn's response is scummy (or explain his points on thrawn's response).
On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else.
Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part.
On September 28 2012 05:27 phagga wrote:
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You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry. <--- WHAT USE IS THIS?
Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you.
The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town.
(in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing).
On September 28 2012 00:33 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote:
Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
## Vote Thrawn You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. <----- Isn't he smart enough to notice?
@thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet. @austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players?
@Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out: Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote:
My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off.
Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point,
On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. Show nested quote +On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some?
This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing.
Final verdict:
I'm more confident of phagga flipping scum then Sinensis, who I have some doubts.
##Vote: phagga
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On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
Why is my case one of the weakest? I might vote phagga tomorrow, but I'm feeling like I should rethink phagga, although my brain still says phagga is scum. Also, How the fuck could I push phagga when I was asleep after posting my case (or my last post of day 1?)
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I'm thinking of whacking phagga in the face or looking carefully at the thrawn voters.
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On September 30 2012 19:58 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 17:00 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm thinking of whacking phagga in the face or looking carefully at the thrawn voters. Why?
Your last read on thrawn before the last hours of day 1
On September 28 2012 01:36 phagga wrote:
Eh, no? I was talking generally, not about thrawn specifically. I agree that thrawn does not look scummy, i just think the reason you gave is bad.
Last hours of day 1:
"I SHALT HAMMER THOU INTO DEATH."
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Suddenly, my reads just got fucked up.
Anyway, I am currently gonna take a look at Sinensis. (as well as playing some games >.<)
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On October 02 2012 00:48 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 15:18 iamperfection wrote:On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis. and though i responded to this earlier i would like to know what you mean by active but not in discussion please. I mean the thread was discussing phagga lynch and you didn't talk about it at all, I find it very strange that one would not tell his thoughts as town. I don't feel like the case on Sinensis has any real points, his useless wifoming can be something to derail this awesomely active mafia game but idk, my gut says its nothing. I don't see where his logic failed (btw, I pinned austin as scummy too, this was only one of his scummy posts, I already posted N1 my suspicion on him.) Iamperfection, you announced that you will start hunting scum, that you are suspicious of the 2 lurkers and phagga but did not provide anything why. After that Sinensis comes around with this useless "I would have voted austin if he's alive and thrawn is scum" and you vote him, even when I feel like your fos on SnB is much more viable. This is the post I am referring to + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again.
I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that"
Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense.
So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn.
I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So ##vote: thrawn2112 Its very strange he mentions this nolynch thing, no one talked about that and there was 4 voted on thrawn at that moment. I really would like to get this thread active and I don't see any other way then to start lynching lurkers. If they care at all they can come back before hammering. SnB not just lurks but posted this strange nolynch thingy. My concern with Bluelightz is that he did not try to psh for phagga even tho he had a townread on thrawn, his case on phagga was very weak, he don't pursue his other scumread Sinensis at all. ##Vote: Bluelightz
I did not try push for phagga: Oh dude he just claimed BoxeR!
I had a townread on thrawn and didn't defend him:
On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote:
Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this.
On September 28 2012 23:03 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 22:59 iamperfection wrote:On September 28 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote:
I think thrawn is town, no way scum would let him go like this. what do you mean elaborate please? I meant that, from a scum perspective, yes scum would defend his or herself, but not in the way he is defending: being active and open. thrawn continues to propose alternative lynches, which in a way provide information to the discussion, and continues to defend himself actively. Also, I don't think all his defenses/alternative lynch proposals are from collaborations (with scumbuddies), but independent work.
I didn't pursue Sinensis: I wanted to lynch PHAGGA, pushing SINENSIS while pushing PHAGGA is not productive because it takes the spotlight away from PHAGGA (who I wanted to lynch).
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On October 02 2012 00:55 ShiaoPi wrote:
@bluelightz:
since you seem to be here...who you wanna lynch?
I'm..... making an analysis on the thrawn voters and gonna look over my top scum read from the thrawn voter pool (aside from phagga).
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On October 02 2012 01:11 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Bluelight, we know that both phagga and thrawn are town so why would you only look at thrawn voters?
Because they're the ones that voted the now dead townie. (Oh dude you worried bout yourself  )
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On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking
@Ottox
did you push thrawn yourself?
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Okay let's look over why the fuck people voted thrawn, disregarding phagga because he claimed BoxeR and I believe that claim.
On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote:
Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did.
## Vote Thrawn
On September 28 2012 08:34 Ottoxlol wrote:@SnB then I don't understand random lynch at all. I thought it is like we go to a random website roll 1-8 then put our votes in-> ofc scum wont do it properly so there is much less chance to lynch them My case on thrawn: Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:32 Ottoxlol wrote:thrawn you posted a lot of useless things and lied when you voted me: On September 28 2012 06:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
##Vote Ottoxlol
Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why? The bolded part is not true at all, you are the first to come up with, others accused me with WAITING to vote as the biggest sin in an instant lynch game (LOL), my second post was about it and shortly after I posted On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote:
My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him.
First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute:
SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. Where in the hell did you get this " You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true.? " His response: Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:48 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 07:45 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question quote pls? lol do you really not know what I'm talking about? On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote:On September 28 2012 00:30 Bluelightz wrote:On September 28 2012 00:26 Ottoxlol wrote:
I am suspicious about SnB mainly because he still did not answer why would scum freak out at random lynch. Maybe I am wrong but I asked him to explain it to me: I see random lynch as an advantage of scum and he suggested it in the first place. Also I have the same problem with his fos on me that was with your vote, I would like to read why me over the others mentioned. I won't vote for him atm, but looking forward to his explanation. Then who will you vote for? I will wait for him to post, then we will see You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question. I gave my full read on SnB, explained why I did not vote at the moment, the first bolded part is where he lies about it, the second and third he wrote in the same post! Don't let him get away with this please ##Vote thrawn2112
On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too.
On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again.
I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that"
Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense.
So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn.
I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So ##vote: thrawn2112
Out of them all, okay, I single out s&b, he has quite a lot of analysis behind his vote, miles better then the others. Let's move on to the other..... one liner reasons! cheers its one-liner christmas!.
Sinensis
"That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks."
This is what I think of it
A(thrawn): Answer this question
B(Sinensis): The questions have been answered by you OMG, some of them are sarcastic too! I'll never answer these questions and possibly provide information to town!
But, what does Sinensis do AFTER his vote? Oh, nothing! He doesn't help push his scum read, he doesn't make an attempt to look over thrawn, he doesn't make an attempt to give valuable information by way of scummy points to town.
iamP:
Besides his vote post, like Sinensis but some pushing to convince people to vote thrawn, he only says that thrawn is scummy BECAUSE he made "associative crap", he doesn't explain why "associative crap" is bad on day 1, he only says it is bad.
Last but not least, Ottox:
"I did this and that, he lied about this, dont let him get away", I feel this is a underwhelming explanation, because of the fact that LAL is not reliable because we have no facts (on day 1), he has nothing to base the supposed "lies" on (although the "lies" are about...... oh he did this, but thrawn said he did that). I don't think that's a scummy point (misinterpreting post's) because it's not like everybody understands what Ottox posted or what Ottox meant to post. Also, besides this, he doesn't push thrawn, AT ALL {Jumps in the wagon (I think) and sits back and let other's do the pushing}.
Conclusion, I am very sure that the last 2 scum are between Ottox, iamP, and Sinensis. But right now, my firmest read is on Ottox.
##Vote: Ottoxlol
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On October 02 2012 01:15 Ottoxlol wrote:
Not that I am worried, I just don't see how are those voting thrawn are more scummy. I would love that you look at everyone, phagga is town as well so those voters can be scum too.
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thrawn = dead town
phagga = BoxeR that hasn't been confirmed (but I believe his claim)
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On October 02 2012 01:22 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:14 Bluelightz wrote:On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking @Ottox did you push thrawn yourself? My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today
Ottox, do you understand that you helped mislynch a town? Do you understand that mislynching townies is a bad thing and attracts attention?
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On October 02 2012 01:22 Ottoxlol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:14 Bluelightz wrote:On October 02 2012 01:10 Ottoxlol wrote:
@Bluelightz: I was talking about d1, n1 before the claim. Just because you have your vote on someone that means you leave your other scumreads alone? That is scummy as fuck. You didn't push phagga even, I was just wondering why didn't you try to pressure Sinensis to try hunt scum. Get information, ask him things etc. Just because I think we should lynch you right now that doesnt mean I won't pursue SnB to talk about his nolynch thing
@Shiaopi, iamperfection: what do you guys mean by that Sinensis logic is flawed? he posted the post of austin that made him change his mind from the first post you guys are linking @Ottox did you push thrawn yourself? My case on thrawn was perfect as far as I am concerned, he tried to lie to get me lynch and I got him in the process. If there someone else would have been near lynching I would have pushed with all my fury for thrawn because I was 1000% sure that there is no way a town would do that thrawn did with his case on me, his useless posts etc So if you are sure about phagga being town then why don't you take a look at the phagga voters? Is it a scum tactic to vote for the guy getting lynched when 2 town is pinned against each other? No. They just vote on whoever they can make a case on, and I think your case was nothing, hence why you should die today
Which case good chap? The phagga case? Oh, I think it's perfect, also, I think your case is nothing, hence why you should die today.
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On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote:
Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf
My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
On October 02 2012 01:17 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:15 Ottoxlol wrote:
Not that I am worried, I just don't see how are those voting thrawn are more scummy. I would love that you look at everyone, phagga is town as well so those voters can be scum too. ..... thrawn = dead town phagga = BoxeR that hasn't been confirmed (but I believe his claim)
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On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote:
Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf
My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you.
I'm fixed on you/thrawn voters because you guys lynched a now dead town and we didn't. Oh, you blame the dead guy for being lynched? Did you make the slightest effort to rethink him? from your posts I gather that you made a case on thrawn answered questions and left the thread. I am fixed on you especially because you are especially worried for you lyfe and trying to direct pressure on others.
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Also, bon voyage thread till tommorow! To sleep!
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On October 02 2012 02:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 01:42 Bluelightz wrote:On October 02 2012 01:36 Ottoxlol wrote:
Why are you avoiding my questions?
Everyone voting "tried to mislynch a town", why are you fixed on me/thrawn voters? Phagga is town as well, and you confirmed that you think that too so wtf
My case was strong on thrawn I was trying to lynch scum, I blame him. If you think that my case was really bad why don't you attack it before? Only after I voted you. I'm fixed on you/thrawn voters because you guys lynched a now dead town and we didn't. Oh, you blame the dead guy for being lynched? Did you make the slightest effort to rethink him? from your posts I gather that you made a case on thrawn answered questions and left the thread. I am fixed on you especially because you are especially worried for you lyfe and trying to direct pressure on others. so do you think both scum were on the thrawn wagon?
..... I focus on thrawn voters =/= 2 scum are on thrawn, and I don't fucking know or give a fuck where the scum are.
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