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On October 14 2012 19:34 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 14:40 Z-BosoN wrote:
Is there a possibility that kush was actually scum and that mafia now have only one KP? The only way that would be true is if Kush was the extra killer himself. Him alone giving mafia 1KP per night. Otherwise I dont see how it can explain all the other 2NK-nights.
Scum KP is generally Mafia/2. So if there's only 2 mafia left, they would only have 1 KP.
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Maybe VTs don't get RB notifications? But, if it was a scum RB, I still don't understand why they wouldn't have RB'd one of the claimed blues.
Makes zero sense.
Maybe it is actually a town RB'er.
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EBWOP: Unless of course my theory was right and you and MMToss are scum 
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No.
That's a dumb assumption. Scum would rather RB and kill a non-factor in Matt than the two claimed blues? I don't buy it.
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It's not just about the RB. I could maybe understand just the RB.
But why the hell would they kill him? There are 2 fucking claimed blues. It makes literally zero sense that they would RB and kill him in the same night.
Of course, I'm assuming that scum isn't absolutely retarded. The whole sequence of events is like nothing I've ever seen from a scumteam before, which is why I'm so damn paranoid.
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This game was extremely frustrating.
GG.
Fuck me sideways.
E: <3 DP, too bad I couldn't get anyone else to follow me onto you
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Also, for the record:
Never make someone fucking edit information that they've already shared.
It was so stupid that I read what Mementoss said about the watcher role, but most people in the thread didn't see it before it got editted. Yea, I understand you didn't want him to do it, but once the cat is out of the bag, making him edit it and only select people having that information is beyond terrible.
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On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten  Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim.
BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways.
Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town.
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On October 18 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen  EDIT: you = keir
You still voted Matt over him
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On October 18 2012 14:18 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:17 Keirathi wrote:On October 18 2012 14:13 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:07 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:58 Risen wrote:
Also, gg scum. I gave you shit for it in obs QT, but letting a horrible town tear itself apart is a legitimate strategy, and it's actually a really good one in hindsight. Gg. It wasn't just 'letting' town tear itself apart. Did anyone notice that I had to contrive a reason to Unvote the person I was bussing and vote VE so that at 4:4 mattchew would be lynched rather than Shiao whom we need alive in order to roleblock? Do you think town would have voted VE if we did not push the wagon whilst simultaneously opposing it? It's all well and good to say every played badly etc. But I think it is being simplifying and diminishing the actual thought and effort behind the play. You mean when you outed yourself as scum and the thread was too bad to catch it? Yup. Quit calling town bad when despite a plethora of informational advantages your scum team was 1/4. I am not getting into a flame war with you. I just feel it is bad manner and diminishes the game. Alrighty I'll be civil. You guys did fantastic, but would you mind responding to my most recent post? And thanks for hosting. Paramedic has to be the most fun role I've ever gotten Edit: Quoting since my post went to the next page T_T On October 18 2012 14:12 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:08 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 14:06 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:52 Risen wrote:On October 18 2012 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On October 18 2012 13:14 strongandbig wrote:
wait holy crap mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players AND completely forgetting to send in NKs or role actions the night before the end of the game?!?!
town T_T To be fair I think the missing KP in addition to the kush frame just confused town beyond recovery. Only because they're idiots. The missing KP had 0 relevance on anything. It was useless speculation. What idiotic fucking scum team would give up 2 night kills to frame someone? Edit: On October 18 2012 13:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
All town had to do was lynch the names I told them, lulululul.
I handed you guys the win and you still refused to take it. So sad. I think town from day 3 onwards just decided they didn't want to read the thread. Reading is too hard, let's just make the most retarded cases we can and run with it. Effort is for people who actually want to win. YES! Let's fucking lynch the cop claim with no counterclaim. The stupidest thing I've ever seen. On par with VE getting lynched as a doc claim with no counterclaim day 1 of some mafia I forget. Absolutely horrible. Double Edit: I pointed it out in ObsQT but DP was pretty much openly claiming scum in thread and everyone was just lalala Kreb vs VE. And what a bad hatter claim. What the hell possessed you to claim when you were potentially the ONLY thing left that could result in town victory if the lynch flipped town? Triple Edit: Kreb hopefully you realize how bad you played and take this opportunity to fix your play. LOL risen. You were so wrong in OBS QT even with additional information from marv. Knowing VE's Alignment. Knowing what happened to the KP. You only got close with me and even then were off with Kreb and ZB until BC gave you the answers. Give town a break. The situation was confusing as anything. VE was far more disruptive than pro-town at the end. And despite a multitude of advantages the reads in the QT weren't very good. When you outed yourself as scum I would have been all over you. Also, once Kreb was pressured by me in-game he would have claimed, z-bo would have been pressured next, he claims. No counterclaims. They don't get lynched. Easy town victory if I'm still alive. I'm upset b/c Marv is still undefeated as scum. Time to start drinking. Edit: I take the easy part back. In all likelihood the see me claim paramedic then lynch me b/c they're just that bad. Lynching the cop claim. What a joke lol Except before that you would have been pushing several mislynches based on your reads in the QT. How many times did you say kreb was scum? And when kreb claimed I would have realized he was just that bad and moved on. Why would you ever, EVER lynch ANYONE in this game with no counterclaim? You KNOW THE ROLES IN THE GAME! If scum want to counterclaim they have to out themselves. I mean really, that's all it comes down to. You almost have to deliberately not read the thread to lynch someone without a counterclaim. BC had already claimed Lucky. You would have "had" to flip one of them. And there's no guarantee there isn't two anyways. Plus, besides Lucky and Godfather, nothing in the role list says "OMG I'm town" or "OMG I'm mafia!". Mafia could just claim their real role but color it blue, and on one would ever counter claim them. So, by your reckoning, they are confirmed town. A scum cop role? I wouldn't even consider it. Edit: I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure Kreb had solid breadcrumbs.
Scum Role Cop, is, IMO, more common than town role cop. And especially more common than a town Role+Alignment Cop.
Plus, it would make sense for scum to have a way to counter the extremely terrible paramedic role.
Also: DETECTIVE was a scum role. All he would have had to do was say "Hey, I'm a Detective. I checked Mementoss last night and he was green." etc etc. No one would have counterclaimed him, and you would have made him confirmed town.
Get off your damn high horse.
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On October 18 2012 14:28 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:19 Keirathi wrote:On October 18 2012 14:17 Z-BosoN wrote:What you talking about, I tried lynching DP with all my might, but no one would listen EDIT: you = keir You still voted Matt over him Haha, I'll quote this sad sad post again: Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 08:14 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP is my top scumread, I've been trying to push him since forever, but no one seems to find him scummy, so =/ I basically gave up when despite me writing 2 full cases, making extensive posts on him, and being insistent as fuck that he was scum, nobody seemed to find him scummy, not even you (you did so after I gave up, basically). So I just figured I was making a bad read and moved on
Honestly it felt like you guys were just yelling back and forth at each other. Neither of you were convincing.
I decided DP was scum because of the reasons he was pushing Kush the night after Hapa died, but I was more sure of slOosh.
Then during the kush wagon and end of the night, I decided that he was even scummier than slOosh so I started pushing him.
Then I brainfucked myself and was terrible.
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On October 18 2012 14:33 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:30 syllogism wrote:On October 18 2012 13:11 strongandbig wrote:
holy crap
mafia won despite free lynches of two very good players, wow
although that coroner role is pretty ridic Those weren't free lynches and a weak medic isn't that strong a role. Marvel just gave up for no reason at all despite risen making that "if i die he is mafia" post like 2 hours before deadline. Would have been easy to argue mafia shot him to frame marvel. Argument would not have been easy. It's kind of like a red cop check after the cop has flipped and been confirmed a cop. You have to lynch the red check, no matter what, imo.
I actually agree with Risen here. The smart move is to lynch the red check anyways, no matter what the person says or does.
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On October 18 2012 14:44 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Wow SloOsh, didnt move that one night mementoss watched. Pretty gosu scum desicion making. The NKs were actually amazing early game by scum, compared to blue actions.
Mementoss was a watcher, not a tracker.
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@iamperfection
Primed: Keirathi.
So sad (
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On October 18 2012 15:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I know my play was atrocious at the end. Look at it from my perspective: I'm a cop you idiot. I had a check and it flipped wrong. OBVIOUSLY my first response is going to be "WHY?!?!?" I shouldn't have maybe brought that into the thread, but I expected a little help from my "confirmed town" friends. And when that didn't come, I gave fuck up. Sue me. I'm sorry I failed.
You were setting him up to flip wrong BEFORE HE FLIPPED.
How does that even make any sense?
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