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On October 06 2012 10:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 10:02 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:53 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:51 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:43 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:
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I told you exactly why it's scummy.
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You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior.
So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. ok now do coagulation. theres a method...... just do it I'll admit Coag's filter is quite strange. I'm unsure what to think of it. On the one hand, he really hasn't done much of anything, and he's a vet. On the other hand, he's rather indignant - he's demonstrating a lot of the "I don't give a fuck" attitude that you yourself did in Rockband Mini. When you put these two together... I don't know. I'm pretty null on him. I'd have to look more into his meta to give you a definitive response. That's a project for tomorrow if I'm still alive. I'm much more sold on risk. Secondly, I'm STILL waiting for a response here: How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You've still have not explained why I'm wrong here, or why risk can be considered null after this. i never said you are wrong im just saying i found it strange that the post stuck out to you considering all the other posts that have been made that i would say are very similar. Well I hope atleast agree that risk needs to answer for this. But in additional context, consider that risk hasn't been under much suspicion this game (atleast from what I've read). It's really really odd that he's not scared of getting NK'd in this context. fair enough i wont fight his battle for him. Also im fairly certain he can easily answer the question if he is town. Cool. Since you asked me about kush/Coag, what do you think of 'em? I believe kush to be town his high activity and hes been somewhat pushing discussion. Despite his wifom mind bombs my gut tells me town.Coag is a prime concern of me. Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 04:51 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck am I on the list? Im sorry but I have done nothing to look scummy at all. Maybe im not the most active player here but that sure as fuck doesnt indicate that im scum in any way. I dont like that acted like a cry baby when he was listed on someones scum list. Stuck out to me as weird. Especially in a large game like this why would a town player give a fuck that he was on someones list.
It literally boggles the mind that you have a town read on kush despite his WIFOM bombs. and giving a 'gut read' is a weak as shit reason for this.
Care to explain why kush would WIFOM bomb me/ derail the thread/ backdown so hard when called out/ have such a small percentage of his filter consist of scum hunting, as town?
Care to give a reason for your read other than a 'gut read'?
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Also. Kush's activity is pretty consistent regardless of alignment. So you are going to have to give a better reason than that. Especially as this activity is not really scum hunting at all.
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On October 06 2012 10:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:15 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:10 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 10:02 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:53 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:51 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:43 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:
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here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. ok now do coagulation. theres a method...... just do it I'll admit Coag's filter is quite strange. I'm unsure what to think of it. On the one hand, he really hasn't done much of anything, and he's a vet. On the other hand, he's rather indignant - he's demonstrating a lot of the "I don't give a fuck" attitude that you yourself did in Rockband Mini. When you put these two together... I don't know. I'm pretty null on him. I'd have to look more into his meta to give you a definitive response. That's a project for tomorrow if I'm still alive. I'm much more sold on risk. Secondly, I'm STILL waiting for a response here: How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You've still have not explained why I'm wrong here, or why risk can be considered null after this. i never said you are wrong im just saying i found it strange that the post stuck out to you considering all the other posts that have been made that i would say are very similar. Well I hope atleast agree that risk needs to answer for this. But in additional context, consider that risk hasn't been under much suspicion this game (atleast from what I've read). It's really really odd that he's not scared of getting NK'd in this context. fair enough i wont fight his battle for him. Also im fairly certain he can easily answer the question if he is town. Cool. Since you asked me about kush/Coag, what do you think of 'em? I believe kush to be town his high activity and hes been somewhat pushing discussion. Despite his wifom mind bombs my gut tells me town.Coag is a prime concern of me. On October 06 2012 04:51 Coagulation wrote:
why the fuck am I on the list? Im sorry but I have done nothing to look scummy at all. Maybe im not the most active player here but that sure as fuck doesnt indicate that im scum in any way. I dont like that acted like a cry baby when he was listed on someones scum list. Stuck out to me as weird. Especially in a large game like this why would a town player give a fuck that he was on someones list. It literally boggles the mind that you have a town read on kush despite his WIFOM bombs. and giving a 'gut read' is a weak as shit reason for this. Care to explain why kush would WIFOM bomb me/ derail the thread/ backdown so hard when called out/ have such a small percentage of his filter consist of scum hunting, as town? Care to give a reason for your read other than a 'gut read'?
no i don't. but I'm fairly certain because (redacted because of ongoing game) of what i saw there.
so haha you will just have to wait.
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On October 06 2012 10:19 iamperfection wrote:
and as far as im concerned the shit fight hasen't ended it just took a nicer tone. (meaning you havent convinced me yet hapa i know you are pretty good at this game i will probably have an eye on you for the rest of the game)
Unfortunately it has to end soon, since I'm off to the bar in about 15 minutes =/
@ Darth
Regarding kush: read 'dis pl0x
On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
He could be scum, but I think his meta (in particular his anger) suggests otherwise. You were in Newbie XXVIII - doesn't his play look different?
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On October 06 2012 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:19 iamperfection wrote:
and as far as im concerned the shit fight hasen't ended it just took a nicer tone. (meaning you havent convinced me yet hapa i know you are pretty good at this game i will probably have an eye on you for the rest of the game) Unfortunately it has to end soon, since I'm off to the bar in about 15 minutes =/ @ DarthRegarding kush: read 'dis pl0x Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He could be scum, but I think his meta (in particular his anger) suggests otherwise. You were in Newbie XXVIII - doesn't his play look different?
you have to throw the anger out now he is well aware of it now.
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On October 06 2012 09:59 kushm4sta wrote:
oh just the fbi just took over this investigation
speaking of kush wtf are you talking about?
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@ iamp
Need to see how he responds before the anger-switch goes on. I don't need to provoke everyone in the thread after all.
BTW: Your stuff on Kush/Coag looks reasonable. I put less weight into his "frustration" post than you do though. I think that can be explained to both alignments. "Whininess" as scum, or legitimate frustration as town.
@ Austin
Where did you go? You went from dead sure that I/Node was scum, to actually caring about my opinion:
[Quote]Eh, just follow BC throughout thread. He's a good player to give a full report on when you've caught up. mkfuba is another one to watch throughout.
Also tell me how you liked my play.[/Quote}
wut?
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EBWOP: GAH formatting...
@ Austin
Where did you go? You went from dead sure that I/Node was scum, to actually caring about my opinion:
Eh, just follow BC throughout thread. He's a good player to give a full report on when you've caught up. mkfuba is another one to watch throughout.
Also tell me how you liked my play.
wut?
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On October 06 2012 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP: GAH formatting... @ AustinWhere did you go? You went from dead sure that I/Node was scum, to actually caring about my opinion: Show nested quote +Eh, just follow BC throughout thread. He's a good player to give a full report on when you've caught up. mkfuba is another one to watch throughout.
Also tell me how you liked my play. wut?
i think he is asking what you think of those players as well as what you think of austin himself.
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Alcohol be damned! Not leaving until austin pops back in to answer (well... for another 15 minutes anyway) =/
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On October 06 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP: GAH formatting... @ AustinWhere did you go? You went from dead sure that I/Node was scum, to actually caring about my opinion: Eh, just follow BC throughout thread. He's a good player to give a full report on when you've caught up. mkfuba is another one to watch throughout.
Also tell me how you liked my play. wut? i think he is asking what you think of those players as well as what you think of austin himself.
Yeah I know, but he was so dismissive of anything I had to say (convinced I was scum), and then all of a sudden wants to hear my opinion? Strange stuff.
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On October 06 2012 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:19 iamperfection wrote:
and as far as im concerned the shit fight hasen't ended it just took a nicer tone. (meaning you havent convinced me yet hapa i know you are pretty good at this game i will probably have an eye on you for the rest of the game) Unfortunately it has to end soon, since I'm off to the bar in about 15 minutes =/ @ DarthRegarding kush: read 'dis pl0x Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He could be scum, but I think his meta (in particular his anger) suggests otherwise. You were in Newbie XXVIII - doesn't his play look different?
I know his meta Hapa. I have already commented on it at length this game. Please read the thread before you tell me to do something I have already done.
I thought he was town at first. But parts of his scum meta are sliding into his play as the game progresses. I am very aware of his meta. But it is possible that he has altered the more obvious parts of it since I caught him day one last game. The passage of play last night has changed my mind. The WIFOM bombs and the Subsequent trolling and back down has me very concerned.
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On October 06 2012 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP: GAH formatting... @ AustinWhere did you go? You went from dead sure that I/Node was scum, to actually caring about my opinion: Eh, just follow BC throughout thread. He's a good player to give a full report on when you've caught up. mkfuba is another one to watch throughout.
Also tell me how you liked my play. wut? i think he is asking what you think of those players as well as what you think of austin himself. Yeah I know, but he was so dismissive of anything I had to say (convinced I was scum), and then all of a sudden wants to hear my opinion? Strange stuff.
I don't think you can convince me you're not scum. Whether you are or aren't, I'm interested in seeing how you read or fake read both those players.
However, as to the "my play" bit, I really just want reviews of the play I wrote 
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On October 06 2012 10:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 10:19 iamperfection wrote:
and as far as im concerned the shit fight hasen't ended it just took a nicer tone. (meaning you havent convinced me yet hapa i know you are pretty good at this game i will probably have an eye on you for the rest of the game) Unfortunately it has to end soon, since I'm off to the bar in about 15 minutes =/ @ DarthRegarding kush: read 'dis pl0x On October 06 2012 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 09:22 iamperfection wrote:
so whats your goal finding scummy shit hapa or finding scum almost every single person has said scummy "shit" my goal is to find scum and right now i dont know what you are doing. Unless your scum to which i say hello scum i found you. I told you exactly why it's scummy. How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip.
Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. You have not refuted this. You have not criticized this. Instead you offer weak-ass reasons to defend someone - as if other people's behavior somehow vindicates risk's behavior. So tell me why you think risk is town/not-scummy/whatever? You keep saying that he could be telling the truth, but you've never offered reasoning for it. here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think *gasp* you're telling me that kush posted something scummy?! That's so abnormal. Here's the Newbie XXVI obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/zDzCCmJq78hdrRead my posts (45-47). Believe it or not, Kush being super scummy is not alignment indicative. He's capable of doing this shit as scum or town. However, he does have a discernable meta-difference from when he's scum or town. He tends to be really angry and whine a lot as scum. He's a lot calmer/"logical" when town. A quick readthrough of his filter makes me lean town on him. When he's pressured in this game, he's much calmer (relatively) than his scum games. Read his filter in Newbie XXVII or GSL II Mini to see how he reacts to pressure as scum. It's possible he could've learned from his mistakes, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He could be scum, but I think his meta (in particular his anger) suggests otherwise. You were in Newbie XXVIII - doesn't his play look different? you have to throw the anger out now he is well aware of it now.
Yep. He is very well aware of his meta. And employed it in a WIFOM bomb. Which is why all these people who have town reads on Kush for no reason whatsoever (or because marv and now hapa told them so) need to wake up. Look at his play critically and have an actual reason for your read. Rather than herp derp 'gut read'... 'meta' herp derp.
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@ DP
I disagree. Kush drops WIFOM bombs as either alignment. The one thing that could be interpreted as scummy is him semi-trolling you, but it looks more like a joke than something you should take at face value. He's much less angry than the scumplay I'm used to seeing out of him. He could've learned, but I'm leaning town on him unless there's something really egregiously scummy in his filter that I haven't seen (like him knowing you were town in XXVIII).
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On October 06 2012 10:54 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:On October 06 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote:On October 06 2012 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP: GAH formatting... @ AustinWhere did you go? You went from dead sure that I/Node was scum, to actually caring about my opinion: Eh, just follow BC throughout thread. He's a good player to give a full report on when you've caught up. mkfuba is another one to watch throughout.
Also tell me how you liked my play. wut? i think he is asking what you think of those players as well as what you think of austin himself. Yeah I know, but he was so dismissive of anything I had to say (convinced I was scum), and then all of a sudden wants to hear my opinion? Strange stuff. I don't think you can convince me you're not scum. Whether you are or aren't, I'm interested in seeing how you read or fake read both those players. However, as to the "my play" bit, I really just want reviews of the play I wrote
You want a review of your play from someone you think is scum?
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And I'm off for the night.
But PLEASE take a look at my comments tomorrow on risk if I'm not alive!
Peace.
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Argh, stayed up all night watching GSTL and then ended up sleeping most of the day away. A lot of people have been mentioned who I'm not really prepared to comment on right now. But my read on kush has been teetering back and forth over the course of the game, and the most recent interactions with DP have me leaning scummy for the reasons DP mentioned. I'll probably continue teetering regarding him, but that's where I stand atm.
I'm heading out for a night at the bars now as well. I also have a party to attend a few hours away tomorrow, so my activity will likely be less than it was D2. I'll bring my laptop, but since it's a party, I'll probably be expected to socialize and will only be able to post infrequently and for a few hours later in the day.
Finally, hi Hapa! I really hope you're actually town and Node was just being Node... I'll probably be destroyed if I have to face you as mafia.
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anyone else see a scummy post above me?
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