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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 12:53 GMT
#2341
also if all roles are in this game, like you imply and no one counter claims VE there is no reason to lynch him am I right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 13:13 GMT
#2343
Looking at the roles, one of the unflipped roles HAS to be roleblocker, so that makes me think there is NO framer, which means VE is either lying or sanity is not guarenteed. (I have a feeling his role was clue role and changed - but that doesn't matter)

So if VE sanity isn't guarenteed:

Sane Cop: Always gets correct results (i.e. "guilty" for anti-Town roles and "innocent" for pro-Town roles) NOT

Insane Cop: Always gets incorrect results (i.e. "guilty" for pro-Town roles and "innocent" for anti-Town roles) Possible

Paranoid Cop: Always gets "guilty" results NOT

Naive Cop: Always gets "innocent" results NOT

Random Cop: Gets a randomized result without regard to who is investigated Possible

So by this logic, we should be lynching Coag, in the case that VE is insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 13:33 GMT
#2345
On October 11 2012 22:18 risk.nuke wrote:
There are multiple scenarios. However sanity-cops are not a probable one.

Coag is the absolutely last person we will lynch. He's almost certainly town regardless of viceras alignment.


And by multiple scenarios you mean 3:
VE is lieing -> Lynch VE
VE is insane -> Lynch Coag
Kush framed -> Lynch????

So by this logic you think there is a framer, but I know for a fact there is a roleblocker. There is no role that is unclaimed or unflipped that looks like a framer to mean, (or a role blocked) But I know one of them that looks mafia like, is probably a roleblocked.

How is coag town regardless of VE's alignment, VE lies to give a town check on coag, and VE flipps scum, you still think coag is auto town? VE checks someone he knows is town and gets back a mafia check, you still think coag is town?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 13:45 GMT
#2349
On October 11 2012 22:35 Z-BosoN wrote:
I don't think that's advantageous right now.
We should lynch whoever we find to be scum. While VEs claim is fishy as hell I think hed make a bad lynch for tomorrow.
From reading the filters yesterday, I'd feel strongest towards a mattchew/shiaopi lynch. After settling down I've decided DP is more likely butthurt townie rather than his flamy scum.
Sloosh, like I said, is playing quite differently this game, but I'm uneasy with his alignment.
BC is sk and. Iamperfection and risk.nuke I have slight town reads on. Kreb is pretty damn townie. Keirathi is being extremely useless this game, is yet to make any contribution.
The scum read I have on mattchew is more related to his "don't lynch shady for dumb reasons" post, and shiaopi more because of the meta reads spotted earlier.
These are just my current thoughts on the game for now.
Who would you lynch, mementoss?


Depends entirely on the night actions can't explain now.

But lynching based on filter/behaviour, I would say Shioapi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 13:53 GMT
#2351
I think VE should be checking a confirmed townie (aka dead) tonight if he is allowed to check the sanity possibility.

Iamp makes a good point about the role, but the only thing that irks me is no one counter claimed being roleblocked. Unless scum randomly decided not to use it night 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 13:59 GMT
#2353
On October 11 2012 22:56 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 22:53 Mementoss wrote:
I think VE should be checking a confirmed townie (aka dead) tonight if he is allowed to check the sanity possibility.

Iamp makes a good point about the role, but the only thing that irks me is no one counter claimed being roleblocked. Unless scum randomly decided not to use it night 1.

ya that would have been silly for night 1 i think.

and what do you mean about checking a confirmed townie how can he do that?


if hes allowed to check dead/flipped players
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 14:03 GMT
#2356
Yeah what the fuck? He is a rolecop and detective. Aka he sees their role and alignment.

That seems not right.

Even his role check was wrong.

So yeah I think sanities seem improbable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 14:04 GMT
#2357
What would the point of having private investigator and detective if private investigator is just a super detective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 14:09 GMT
#2359
On October 11 2012 21:47 Mementoss wrote:
Trying to figure out the night kills:

Night 1:
Risen killed himself
Anull killed by town vig
KJ killed by ????
BC targetted by mafia KP
Austin shot by ????

Mafia KP min 1 max 3

Night 2:
Mkfuba killed himself
Austin killed by mafia KP (assumption because he was a claimed save by medic -> confirmed townie status)
ToutestChaos killed by ????

Mafia KP min 1 max 2

Night 3:
Prometheax killed by mafia KP (assumed because confirmed town vig)
Broodkingexe killed by ????

mafia kp min 1 max 2

My theory is that mafia KP is fixed at 2, and there was a hitman (mafia vig) on night 1. Or mafia KP was cut due to 2 lynches, and the extra KP is from SK. But that seems unlikely due to low amount of KP, 1 KP for mafia by night 2, would be very unlikely. Unless SK stopped shooting, or shots stacked. (SK -> 3rd party)


Hitman
Private Investigator
Coroner
Detective
Paranoid Arsonist

Assuming Night 1, mafia used a hitman (mafia vig) and have constant 2 KP. Knowing 100% there is a roleblocker, which of the remaining roles would make sense to be a framer?
My thought stands, VE checks confirmed town if he can. But he can just lie about that. Gah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 14:09 GMT
#2361
alright i will stop assumptions lol, but its night, isnt that the time for set-up and role speculation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 14:14 GMT
#2364
On October 11 2012 23:13 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 23:09 Kreb wrote:
On October 11 2012 23:02 iamperfection wrote:
On October 11 2012 22:59 Kreb wrote:
On October 11 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote:
On October 11 2012 21:53 Mementoss wrote:
also if all roles are in this game, like you imply and no one counter claims VE there is no reason to lynch him am I right?

ive been thinking on this. I dont think we can assume that private investigator is a town role. I think a mafia role cop is a possibility.

Dudedudedudedudedudedude. This totally had me thinking. Look at this:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. iamperfection
2. Thrawn2112 ToutEstChaos, the Medical Examiner, has been killed Night 2!
3. BloodyC0bbler
4. marvellosity, the Godfather, has been lynched day 2!
5. mkfuba07, the Paramedic, has been killed Night 2!
6. ShiaoPi
7. austinmcc, the Concerned Citizen has been killed Night 2!
8. Mattchew
9. risk.nuke
10. Coagulation
11. Z-BosoN
12. Risen, the Paramedic, has been killed Night 1!
13. Keirathi
14. Sharrant Promethelax, the Vigilante, has been killed Night 3!
15. VisceraEyes
16. talismania DarthPunk
17. slOosh
18. annul, the Concerned Citizen, has been killed Night 1!
19. Node Hapahauli, the Enforcer, has been lynched Day 3!
20. Kreb
21. Mementoss
22. Shady Sands, the Concerned Citizen, has been lynched Day 1!
23. kushm4sta, the Concerned Citizen, has been lynched Day 4!
24. kingjames01, the Concerned Citizen, has been killed Night 1!
25. BroodKingEXE, the Concerned Citizen, has been killed Night 3!

Set-up:

And this:
+ Show Spoiler +
Lucky Citizen
Vigilante
Concerned Citizen
Enforcer
Hitman
Paramedic
Private Investigator
Medical Examiner
Coroner
Detective
Godfather
Paranoid Arsonist
Scoreboard


And look at VEs claim:
On October 10 2012 06:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well let me add...illusory weight to the Kush wagon. I'm a Private Investigator and last night I received Mafia Coroner when I checked kushm4sta.

N1 I was roleblocked.

N2 I checked Coag and he came back as town "Concerned Citizen".

Now e'erybody climb onboard the VE Failtrain of Glory(holes).

Is it possible VE added the prefix Mafia to an existing role (could be both town or mafia)? Theres no Mafia prefix on any role BM ever mentioned. If so, thats a pretty telling slip.

well he did say that his role is a combination of a role and regular cop right?

Ok true. Scratch that then.

Or wait a second again. If VEs role is a cop+rolecop, that means there must be a alignment+role Framer for Kush to have been Framed. Thats seems quite unlikely. Had Kush flipper Coroner it would have all made sense, but he flipped Vanilla Townie. It seems really unlikely theres a alignment+role Framer....


Thats what I was trying to say dawg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 23:31 GMT
#2394
On October 12 2012 08:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
So I've been reading VE's filter. Gonna leave the fact that his scumhunting is extremely lacking aside for now, because I've found something pretty interesting.
VE claims he got Coag checked, and came back as townie on night 2. So I checked some dates, and look at this:
The day 3 post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&currentpage=72#1429
October 6.
So supposedly he received that Coag is townie. Now, if he got the memo that Coag is town, then wtf is this shit:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd like to begin by stating, for the record, that I'm well aware that I've been less active than normal. For obvious reasons the lynches have been pretty set in stone - but on top of that the steering just went out on my car and I'm looking for a new one. I've been watching the thread though and I'm ready to put this down.

Coagulation
My main issue with coag's play hasn't been his inactivity. It's the fact that when asked for his scumreads, he invariably chooses people for reasons he himself is guilty of. Most recently he threw out myself and BC as scumreads, citing activity.

Also I think this is a scumslip.
On October 04 2012 00:59 Coagulation wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:57 Z-BosoN wrote:
omfg lol @ coag.
Here's to never taking him seriously ever again


lol butt hurt townie detected.

You will be ok big boy walk it off.


Discuss.


Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 03:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
:/

That wasn't a discussion. And I really meant from non-coag peoples.

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 03:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because scum aren't capable of feigning indignation. As if that's not like, the easiest thing to fake in the world.

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 03:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
What's YOUR fucking point? That's my point. Why did Z-Bos' indignation just immediately mean that he's a butthurt townie? Why could he not be OMGUSing scum? Why can't he be insidious third party?

JUST ADMIT IT YOU'RE SCUM AREN'T YOU?!


So I've figured both claims are bullshit now.
VE's, however, seems even worse now. Unless I'm getting something real wrong here, he is effectively going after Coag as a cop who received a town check. The quotes above make it look legitimately like he's going after Coag, and not spouting discussion or whatever he might say.
Discuss.


LOL VE

master claimer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 11 2012 23:35 GMT
#2396
and by figured both claims are bullshit do you mean the other one to be BC's claim to be vet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 00:01 GMT
#2401
On October 12 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Master-BATER more like.

Amirite guys? Eh?

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:22 GMT
#2599
Haven't read the thread. But I wasn't roleblocked. I watched Z-boson and nothing happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:25 GMT
#2600
Alright I read to the point where VE checked his sanity.

VE being insane is no longer possible. Only other possibility sanity wise is bastard. Which is just random, but that is pretty harsh.

Kush's flip was hidden or he was framed. 100%

Unless hes just lieing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:27 GMT
#2601
The real mystery is. Why is no one dead?

Oh shit. Scum believed BC claim of lucky citizen and targetted him again possible?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:33 GMT
#2606
On October 12 2012 20:30 risk.nuke wrote:
Mementoss, why on earth did you watch z-bozon?


Because he was talking the most at night. If VE was scum, scum probably woulda targetted Zboson. By his recent interactions and effort it made me think he is town. More than anyone else at least.

Like honestly I don't know who scum would have targetting other than myself VE or Zboson.

No KP went through anyways so I don't know what kind of information I woulda got anyways.

I expected to be dead and VE to claim roleblock. I don't know why scum didn't use there roleblock last night? If they did someone claim it. Maybe its a 2 time ability?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#2609
On October 12 2012 20:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Why didn't you watch VE so if they had roleblocked him you had caught him.


That woulda been a good idea too. I was just watching for the night kill to be honest. But they didn't role block VE apparently. So it wouldn't have made a difference anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:52 GMT
#2611
On October 12 2012 20:50 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 20:38 Kreb wrote:
On October 12 2012 20:32 risk.nuke wrote:
That no one is dead is a pretty heavy indicator that either scum changed the flip at the cost of kp. or that vicera is pulling one on us.

And are you gonna tell me that A) a wierd sac KP for flip change mechanic is present B) mafia decided to use it on Kush is more likely than VE just straight up being scum.

Also, please to not that VE was the one starting this whole KP for flip change theory.

First you need to ask yourself - What does Vicera gain by doing this as scum? What has he gained by doing this as scum?
So far the answer is: In the scenario that Vicera is scum so far they've gained nothing, which is why I'm not worried about it at the moment.

@Menentoss. Luck doesn't excuse stupidity. Even if you disregard how awefull your nk guesses were.


Who would you have expected for the night kill? some random lurker o_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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