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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 12 2012 22:34 GMT
#2659
What do you mean by arguments I just realized there might be a little language issue... I just don't get why you didnt argue more assertively for your case on me if you truly believed in it
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 12 2012 22:43 GMT
#2662
Z boson I don't think you ever answered this

On October 12 2012 10:49 Mattchew wrote:
how are reads and answers to questions random crap/stuff

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 01:27 GMT
#2716
On October 13 2012 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
ZBos I'm not responding to your case on Mattchew because its points are, literally:

  • Weird post defending Shady (Town) EVEN THOUGH YOU DID THIS TOO
  • "completely random crap" without elaborating on why any of it is not relevant. And it IS, because he gives his opinion of Austin, Kingjames and BC.
  • "Completely random stuff. Draws no conclusions and looks like its just there to feign some sort of participation." This is your only good point if true, but he actually does draw a couple of conclusions (annul playing like scumAnnul, BC playing like BereaucracyBC, not up to town-BC standards, slOoshScum)
  • "pathetic filter"


That's IT ZBos.

I've seen Mattchew fuck off and do jack shit for a whole game before. I'm hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter" and your case is laughably bad at convincing me that he's scum.

Frankly I don't give a FUCK that you're "angry" about how "arrogant" and "bad" I'm playing. I'm here, and I'm trying. I don't care if you don't like the quality of my play, and I don't give a fuck that you don't like that I haven't been building "cases" up to your exacting standards. I'm doing what I can when I can.


Oh wait!!! But see, had you actually read it, I stated in that very same post that MY read was a meta read, because I've seen shady on a BUNCH of games -- UNLIKE MATTCHEW!!

"This is your only good point if true". Aww thanks, I'm flattered, you are so cute, that's all I've ever wanted.
Except no. Annul was playing scummy, that's why he got vigged. BC is playing like hardcore 3rd party (slight offside of scum). Sloosh I've also noticed how he's very different from his LVII pseudo-town meta, and am still unsure of. It's not like I'm using that argument with tunnel vision.

If you've seen mattchew fuck off and do jack shit then why haven't you said so? You are hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter"? Really? You are gonna take two fucking words and sum my entire case up on it? When only above you have even said that "This is your only good point if true"? Don't say it's laughably bad if you actually even admit that some points make sense. See what I mean by you being arrogant?

So let me get this straight. Here's your little carefully plotted scumlist and how you are proceding to deal with them:

me: Voted on annul. Then unvoted. Fuck his tradeoff with DarthPunk and the entirety of DP's arguments. He voted annul and then he unvoted lololol
DP: He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument. Fuck his trade off with Z-BosoN and the entirety of ZB's arguments. He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument and looks like he knows what's up. lololol
ShiaoPi: His name has FOUR appearances in your filter. FOUR. You haven't even commented on why you think he's scum or added jack shit to his case. You just nonchallantly added his name there.
Kreb: Omg he wants to lynch me despite my extremely legit-looking cop claim lololol!!
Mattchew: Has done shit this game. Fuck any other arguments, he's done jack shit lolol!! Actually nvm, he can't be that non-protown. ZB's case is laughably bad now, because all he says is that Mattchew has done jack shit!

You look like you are passively concocting up some people and not doing any research whatsoever. It doesn't look like you are reading anybody's filter. It doesn't look like you are legitimately trying to scumhunt. In your 14 pages of filter I've read, there is no evidence of this.
See, remember I was under the assumption you and mementoss were legit? Right now I'm playing under that assumption and shit and I'm having an incredible hard time giving that assumption any credibility. I'll keep it for today because I still think there are better lynch targets, but ffs, you haven't pushed SHIT!! The most you've done is: I want to lynch X because of Y.
Where Y is a shit one-liner reason that shows no real effort.

If I'm a scumread why aren't you reading my filter?
If both me AND darth are your scumreads why don't you read our exchange? I mean, fuck, if I honestly thought two people who have like three pages arguing against each other are scum I would certainly CERTAINLY read it and draw conclusions. But no. You are just casually putting our names there as if drawing names from a hat.

On shiaopi it's even worse. It's ridiculous. Control+F "Shiao" on his entire filter and see what you will find on his "lynch candidate". He's casually laying back and putting his reasoning behind toutestchaos, me, and like 3 other people who have made cases against shiao. This is fucking ridiculous.

It's not like you are my prince in shining armor and I expect you to win the game and gallantly throw us roses as you ride into the sunset. Fuck that. You are doing a despicable job for any standards whatsoever, and that is what concerns me and why I'm bitching about.


ok first of all, I never called shady town, you are really taking that post completely out of context. I was saying that no one in the thread voting shady had any actual reason to be voting him. please stop saying at any point i ever called him town because there is a HUGE difference.

second, you are calling my answers to questions directly posed to me fluff and meaningless is bullshit and a misrepresentation of my posts.

third, you can think my reads are crap, but atleast explain why that makes me scum and not just wrong.

ok i am on a computer and gonna do a lot of reading and stop defending myself for a few posts


There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 18:43 GMT
#2880
I believe VE to be town and I believe VE's check to be real. I don't really know/care if thats where the mafia KP went, I think we lynched scum with kush.

If this is true, we should be looking at those who tried to push away from a kush vote. What townie (who have no information) would not lynch a claimed dt red vote? Especially after we had 2 straight scum lynches putting us ahead.

iamperfection is who we should be looking at to lynch.

Iamperfection tries to push the zboson lynch on the back of Darthpunk's waivering from the kushmasta lynch.

here is iamperf's posting in this time period

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 11 2012 10:29 iamperfection wrote:
anyone up for..... dare i say it..... some last minute shenanigans.

On October 11 2012 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
we would need 8 votes to do anything correct?

On October 11 2012 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
dp makes more sense than zboson and i believe kush is town. He panicked the last time he was under pressure of lynch as scum he did not do it here.

## Vote Z-Boson

On October 11 2012 11:17 iamperfection wrote:
alright bed time for me. If i remember right the deadline is unofficial so you have up to the night post to get votes in.



He tries to get a last hour vote switch, but doesn't provide any reasoning for doing so. His sole reason is DP's thoughts, which he doesn't even quote or comment on. His pushing of this switch does not have a sense of urgency or care to it. I believe he is doing this last minute switch idea just because he knows what kush will flip.

##vote iamperfection

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 18:44 GMT
#2882
On October 14 2012 03:38 Z-BosoN wrote:
Coag, I really think a scum kreb wouldn't hard defend Node like that early in the game. Scum generally don't like doing that...
Even if they did, once Node was lynched they would obviously be all like "wow he sure fooled me", which is not the tone he took.
The only thing that really says it for me is the difference from his townie filter, which I've read and it sure seems a bit different.
However, he's actually trying to defend himself, unlike Mattchew, who simply disappeared.
Like nuke said, mattchew is a liability for the late game, we can't rely on him. Added to that, he actually has a decent chance of popping scum. He is also in agreement with your "awol" theory, if you check his filter, his only two posts are nowhere near dawn. Remember he also didn't vote in day 1?
Honestly, he's a much better choice.

i was active during the last night phase, please try harder to lie about me
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 18:45 GMT
#2883
On October 14 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:
I pretty much agree with nuke.
Can't find kreb to be scummier than him
##Vote Mattchew

what do you agree with risk about?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 18:52 GMT
#2885
On October 14 2012 03:49 Z-BosoN wrote:
Dude, read the thread, man, I'm not going to cherry pick.
Ok, let me double check the times then.

i am reading the thread, and you have not quoted or answered risk once. Your case on me was demolished by me and VE. I would like to know your actual reasons for voting me and what actions i have taken that you deem scummy, especially if any of them pertain to anything other than "he's not active"
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 18:58 GMT
#2889
On October 14 2012 03:53 Z-BosoN wrote:
Liar liar pants on fire. October 11th you had two posts:

Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 00:36 Mattchew wrote:
Thanks BC for that I'll write a case before the end of the night



Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 02:26 Mattchew wrote:
Also kush was being pushed hard and sloosh pushed for the BC 3rd party (regardless if he's right or not) lynch... Someone else should say this but I will cause I thought of it

Inb4 you called out BC too.. I haven't been reading as much as sloosh


Then your next post on october 12th you had one:

Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 01:22 Mattchew wrote:
forgot i had work today, i am done in ~6 hours


Each of them are more than 11 hours apart from the night 4 post.
This is also just a side note, not the main things you've got going on against you.

You also choose someone who has not even one vote. There are like 6 lynch candidates today, we need to consolidate, seriously.

well i don't like me as a candidate

I believe in VE's claim, i have read him twice with "if he was town" and "if he was scum" mindsets. The scum side doesn't make sense with the timing of the claim and how he has played it

BC, i think is actually town. If he isn't dead in a certain amount of nights I will begin to worry about him, but i think he talks about himself being 3rd party too confidently to actually be 3rd party.

You Z-boson, feel town from the tone of your posts especially when you are called out by VE and others. I just think you do not know how to find scum characteristics, or you don't know how to voice your findings properly.

I am going to read kreb now
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 19:01 GMT
#2891
On October 14 2012 03:57 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 03:52 Mattchew wrote:
On October 14 2012 03:49 Z-BosoN wrote:
Dude, read the thread, man, I'm not going to cherry pick.
Ok, let me double check the times then.

i am reading the thread, and you have not quoted or answered risk once. Your case on me was demolished by me and VE. I would like to know your actual reasons for voting me and what actions i have taken that you deem scummy, especially if any of them pertain to anything other than "he's not active"

It was not demolished. The fact that I find VE scum and you being the only person he tried to defend ever makes me think poorly of you.
I've made my case, I've also made a post making a summary of my case.
Here it is again:
1) Your post telling people not to vote shady for shit reasons
2) Your only two major posts stating your views on people, only never to be revisited ever again. Gives off the impression that you are just wanting to look like you are scumhunting, but you are not.
VE also said that this might be true, when he ridiculed my case

1. why is this post scummy? because telling people who were voting shady for trolling (which he said he was gonna do pre-game before his alignment was given) they were being stupid is bad? For wanting people to vote because of actual belief that someone is scum instead of herp derp he trolled im mad!

2. Because I went inactive and my reads have changed. I can't help either of those. Is that scummy? I am now pushing my strongest scum read in iamperfection
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 19:06 GMT
#2894
On October 14 2012 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's like the third or fourth time you've interpreted that line from my post as agreement with your point - please stop. I did NOT agree with that point on Mattchew, because you said blatantly untrue things.

what is this in reference to?




These are risks last posts on me z-boson references

On October 13 2012 22:37 risk.nuke wrote:
I have a friend visiting over the weekend, I've just barely skimmed over the last pages.

The only smart thing to do today is to kill Mattchew.

We need to get rid of Mattchew because.
He is likely scum.

So we have to lynch him sooner or later. The only scenario we don't end up sooner or later lynching Mattchew is if we decide that hey, his retarded actions are probably indicators that he is town so lets not lynch him... ever.

That scenario is never going to happen. Never fucking ever. Ergo we need to kill him.

Why is it better to kill him now rather then later?
Because as the game progresses we will be able to get better reads on everyone. Just as how you have better reads on other people day 1 then day 2. This makes it sub-ideal to lynch person x today and Mattchew tomorrow rather then lynch Mattchew today and person x tomorrow. This is NOT fucking complicated but the fucking ESSENCE of standard logic now start fucking voting.

On October 13 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote:
Vicera. We'll never figure out Mattchews alignment. He deserve to be modkilled but that's not in our hands. Every single other player we're going to get better reads on with time with one exeption. Mattchew. Which makes it neccersary to lynch him in itself. Furthermore he's playing his scum-meta of lurking/notcaring. Try tell me why someone else is a better option.

We're lynching him today.

The recently ended Aperture game had almost every player in the game call me inactive and apathetic and I was town. Therefore his meta read could be easily countered by just reading the game that i was playing in alongside this game.

I am attempting to become more active although in about 45 minutes I will be offline for around 20-ish hours. I will not be around at deadline.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 19:07 GMT
#2895
VE any thoughts on iamperf and my post on him?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 19:08 GMT
#2896
Also, Z-boson for someone accusing me of not being active the least you could do is comment on my case and discuss it
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 19:29 GMT
#2900
On October 14 2012 04:20 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 04:07 Mattchew wrote:
VE any thoughts on iamperf and my post on him?

I disagree with you 99%.

And yea, I was wrong about iamp in Aperture. But I was wrong based on him making 4 posts, not 7 pages of posts.

Also, you're misrepresenting his "change of heart" on kush. He had been saying kush was town all game. Its pretty understandable that he hopped on the red check and then still had doubts, especially with the way kush was acting in crunch time. It was so different from every kush scum game.

I want you to do a little research into iamp if you're so convinced. Read GSL 2 and Newbie XIX. Tell me if the iamperfection in this game feels like the scum iamperfection in those games. Because I just don't see it.

no, this isn't a meta read. this is scumplay characteristics if VE is det and kush was scum.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 19:31 GMT
#2901
also, if someone links me to a newbie game (VE you did this too WTF) for a meta read you have got to be kidding. I would say anyone under like 7 - 10 games should never be lynched on meta because there is so much room to improve and change styles
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 13 2012 19:34 GMT
#2902
im leaving, I wont be on around lynch time at all.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 14:37:09
October 14 2012 05:22 GMT
#3098
drunk ramblings from last night

gg <3 you all
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 19 2012 13:04 GMT
#3676
Risk can you point to other games I was not involved enough with? ... I know I was inactive for a bit this game but those days the lynches were already Pre-determined...

Also, what scum has the balls to say "I wasn't doing anything" and why doesn't anyone remember how I called out BC and sloosh (and annul) extremely early in the game. I was 2 for 3 and wanted to lynch sloosh so hard. I just dont understand how anything aside for my activity was scum about my play
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
October 19 2012 15:45 GMT
#3678
Yeah pyp I figured was over cause we had a set lynch list (that woulda won the game had someone I forget who, showed up and voted)

In movie mafia I was pretty active and made a lot of reads... I was also scum so it was hard to post especially when I didn't have time to read

I guess I don't like sharing reads when they don't matter at all... When the lynch is set you are just making yourself a better mafia target and I like surviving... It's sucks that the weekend was when I was lynched because that's when im at my lowest activity but I don't think I made myself unreadable.
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