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On October 02 2012 18:54 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 17:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kush are you scum?
People have been calling him out for saying scummy sounding stuff, and some people have said that he's not playing at all like his scum meta. Well I don't think he's playing like his town meta. He's known for saying dumb stuff from time to time as either town/mafia but this game he just seems way too illogical, even taking his meta into account. In the last game I played with him where he was town he was extremely helpful and the flames were few and far between. His scum meta has been exposed to be full of faked anger, extreme failures of logic, and constant insults towards everyone in the game. The way he's playing this game strikes me as a slightly toned down version of his scum meta. He rolled scum twice in a row and everyone got to see his scum play, so he would have changed his meta somewhat if he were to roll scum again. But it still seems like he's putting up somewhat of an act, and in the games where he was town you could see right through to his obviously convoluted townie thought process. While reading through his posts in this game I get this huge "I don't give a shit" vibe about his feelings towards the lynch and he's said several things that suggest he's not trying very hard or caring about his vote, and that's not the town kush I know.
Town kush = sometimes says dumb stuff, but you can see right through to his thought process and he's very cooperative in general
Scum kush = faked anger, extreme stupidity at times, and likes to throw around insults very often
This game = looks more like his scum meta than his town meta. He's being too illogical/rude for me to be able to write it off as his "scummy town-meta"
Hmm, this kinda rivals marv's earlier claim about Kush. And considering: -I think marv acted scummy in the Node case -marv kinda defended Kush when early votes started to land on him -Kush was also an early joiner of the Node wagon -You think Kush is playing a toned down scum game Kush could definitely earn a spot in my scummy-looking group of austin/VE/Marv.
Here. Let me tell you why you're fucking awful. You're fucking awful because you've already managed to make a 4-man connection before anyone involved (node, austin, kush). Who do you think is better at understanding meta, newbie thrawn (no offence intended at all, just fact) or me?
Who *have* we had flipped? We've had Shady flipped. Confirmed town. What drugs are you on when you're looking at those on the Node wagon as the most culpable, instead of the people who derailed it back to Shady?
Damn right I defended kush, I think he's playing to his town meta far more than his scum meta, and he's such a god damn easy lynch for scum just to park on going "lol scumslip must be scum."
Looking at the voting list, the interesting points are players like BC, Matt, Keir, talis. It became clear kj wasn't a realistic lynch target with plenty of time to spare. BC came in, contributed some, then totally disappeared. Not sure on Keir. talis may be the worst of the bunch with his awful case on VE and subsequent total disappearance.
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EBWOP: *before anyone involved has flipped
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Someone who has moved over to the scummy side is Mementoss:
On October 02 2012 08:33 Mementoss wrote:
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Now to search for scum since shady sands most likely will be modkilled.
To which I said a couple of hours later:
On October 02 2012 10:34 marvellosity wrote:
I also went back and had a look at Mementoss, and he just seems kinda nullish. Deadline kinda sucks because he said he was going to look for scum an hour or two ago, and he could still be doing that, but I can't stay up forever :/
Except Mementoss never came back or contributed to the scumhunt/discussion.
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I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb.
At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady.
Now tell me how this makes sense?
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I did indeed ^^ But that wasn't the point I was making here. Kreb's making out like Node was a distraction to austin, when, if it was a distraction at all, it was off Shady.
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On October 02 2012 23:55 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
I'll explain it a little more factually for you, Kreb.
At the time I started the voting off, the austin wagon was already not getting off the ground. Before I laid my vote, the count was at Shady: 9, austin: 3. And in fact people were consolidating on to Shady; when I placed my vote, the previous 5 votes had gone on to Shady. For Node to be a 'distractionary' wagon, it would certainly be a distractionary wagon off of Shady.
Now tell me how this makes sense? it looked an awful lot like shady was getting modkilled. easy way to take out two towns in one day....
This is just insidious claptrap. As an experienced player you should know better than this. Playing for modkills is really stupid, pretty much as evidenced by what happened in this game.
On October 03 2012 01:58 annul wrote:
and another thing
(prior to the last 5 minutes of the day), assume my arguments about "i didn't actually defend shady" are terrible (they're not) and you, as a town reading this, honestly believe i did defend shady...
SHADY WAS A GREEN! holy fuck, imagine that: i did my job as a town player in trying to stop a mislynch! this is a bad thing apparently to austinmcc
I can't even tell if this post is actually serious. You did your job stopping the Shady mislynch (in your eyes) by actively derailing the wagon that had come up to... stop the Shady lynch? Really?!
In the whole lead-up to the deadline you objected to things on 'procedural' grounds without actually giving good reasons based on actual play. Nor did you present a realistic candidate (no, Z-Bo half an hour or whatever before deadline does not count). What you did succeed in doing is deflecting the wagon back on to Shady, but to what end? Shady was too easy, Node was too easy, what would have been 'acceptable' to you at that late hour?
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I was perfectly level-headed. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Or in mafia lingo, don't make massive connection plays without any flips. Because it's like... fucking awful.
My perspective on the Node wagon and how it went down: there were clearly a good number of people who weren't satisfied with the main options - kj, austin, Shady. Whereas Node was both lurking/not giving a crap about town, *and* looked scummy while doing so with his odd defence of Shady.
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On October 03 2012 04:41 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 04:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Kreb , are you saying that because marv and whoever else pushed a node lynch away from the shady lynch that means you're suspicious of them? Shady flipped green so I don't see how that argument makes sense. You say the node lynch was unnatural and possibly pushed by scum which if true would mean that node is green and shady is red.... but shady is green so I'm not understanding your logic. Well, theres is still the possibility of it being an austin-distraction. Or just as a general distraction from, well, any mafia. Theres also the purpose of just pushing for different townies left and right because it both creates confusion and probably makes it easier to blend in (if theres votes all over the place, everything is "ok", so mafia can pick any stance they want and seem genuine with it). I still dont see Node as scummy at all from his posting, and the way that wagon happened makes him look on the townish side.
You're not making sense. The Node push makes no sense from a mafia distraction point of view because Shady was a townie heading inexorably for the lynch. It's in these situations mafia are usually happy to sit back as town happily hops on to the townie wagon.
On Node: tell me, does his posting look like he cares for town? iamperfection pointed it out perfectly earlier: When Node was at great risk of being lynched, did he come in to drop reads and shit? No, he came in to call town stupid, and then promptly left again without making any reads or anything. How are you reading this as townie? You also, presumably from your attitude, find his defence of Shady townie. How?
Want to talk about your connection stuff a little. You don't even realise how strongly you're doing it, or how it's affecting how you think. We have:
On October 02 2012 08:23 Kreb wrote:
Anyway, time to put down my vote. Disregarding the first trio (kush/kj/shady) which Ive said Im not feeling too good about.
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Austin on the other hand indeed had a pretty bad reason to vote for KJ. And his obsession with the spy comment seem a bit..... out of place. Cant say Im feeling super convinced about this either considering how early it is into the game and the length of peoples filters, but meh, gotta place my vote somewhere.
As such: ##Vote austinmcc
You place your vote on him and you're not sure at all. Your very next post goes into theories about the Node wagon and how it looked and how it makes austin look much worse (which I think I've helped establish that it doesn't really). So you, yourself, never actually had strong feelings on austin if the quote above is true, until you started ladeling Node/austin/me/VE/wagon stuff on top of it.
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On October 03 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote:
Marv, I don't know kreb's play well/at all, but right now I'm not as scummy on him as I am on other players, and at the very least it seems that pushing him is just going to get things more and more twisted up.
aye, it's why I've read his response and I'm not replying for now, as it's fruitless. I'm seeing him as misguided townie atm.
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austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear.
iamp: you may only use the term if you bring with it the sense of arrogance I use it with.
Anyway, Mattchew, come talk to me about your play, it's looking pretty damn scummy to me right now, especially after the first half of Day 1. You voted kj yesterday lunchtime or so, and we have this post:
On October 02 2012 08:21 Mattchew wrote:
BC mind telling me why you think i am scum?
also, I could get down with an austin lynch. he doesn't feel like he is hunting scum as much as he is hunting for an easy out to vote.
I am willing to ##unvote for the meantime. I am caught up on the thread but don't actually understand some of the arguments.
You 'unvote' here in the thread but you do no such thing in the Voting Thread. You also say you're down for an austin lynch here, but you never elaborate on this again, instead going on with:
On October 02 2012 08:47 Mattchew wrote:
lets lynch sloosh
On October 02 2012 08:49 Mattchew wrote:
sloosh hasnt done anything after coming in complaining about the thread being bad.
You don't talk about austin anymore at all, and instead casually suggest lynching slOosh. Except you never seem serious about it, you're just dropping his name there and off you go, not to be heard of again during the Day. You're gonna have to explain pretty well what you were thinking here as it looks scummy as shit to me. Posting for the sake of posting and not taking actually taking any real stances.
On October 03 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Someone shoot him. We can lynch Node easier than Annul, and I want them both dead.
Medics, on me and marv.
DTs, on BC and Mattchew.
We totally got this. I am down with this plan
Absolutely nothing to say on how the lynch went down or anything pertinent at all. Scum bro?
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On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each.
Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself.
However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading.
Yes, that's one way to look at it; on the flip side, the right thing for austin to do as townie is to make reads and push things like he did, and like Node very much did not. How are you reading the both of them? I find austin quite townie now.
talismania - What is your current read on VE? Do you still think he is scum?
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Had a quick peek at the playerlist out of curiosity. Seeing syllogism lynched day 2 was a bit of a shock to my system, heh
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On October 03 2012 08:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:09 marvellosity wrote:On October 03 2012 07:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This stands out to me for one major reason. It makes perfect sense for mafia to push node as a distraction case regardless of the fact shady flipped green. Ask VE or Node if they remember a game in the high 30's or low 40s run by FW with the weird mason mechanic (each player could mason any two players they chose but only two players) where on day 3 or 4 as mafia my entire team sat firmly on two sides of a townie vs townie lynch pushing each.
Also pushing node as a "distraction" case would be perfect if austin is red. Why? Because it got heat off himself.
However, this is me merely clearing up something I find instantly wrong and misleading.
Yes, that's one way to look at it; on the flip side, the right thing for austin to do as townie is to make reads and push things like he did, and like Node very much did not. How are you reading the both of them? I find austin quite townie now. talismania - What is your current read on VE? Do you still think he is scum? He had to to avoid being lynched. As townie or mafia he had to do what he did. I find him less scummy then he was before, however it doesn't mean he doesn't still get my gaze for only pushing someone when his ass was on the line. I more stated what I did because of how you stated your post I responded to which basically stated mafia wouldn't do what he did, or have a reason to push a second townie candidate. Making a case on a terrible poster as mafia or pushing a lynch on a bad scum player on ones team is standard play.
Ok, I get where you're coming from. I experienced similar with austin in the very last game I played with him. I voted for him on Day 1 for only talking about himself for a while then completely afking for ages when there was tonnes going on in the thread, but it turned out he was being lazy/dumb whatever, which is why I was so antsy about it this game. His contributions look more thought out, researched and I guess not-skewed than what I'd expect from scum, and I see them as good contributions.
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Mattchew: I think you're nitpicking at slOosh's case when the main thrust of it was similar to what I wrote. Coming back with nice paragraphs about how things went down Day 1 after the fact is very nice and all, but it's all after the fact, when it's a bit late. Somewhat nullish on slOosh because I want him to post more, but he shared similar views to me on you.
With BC, I don't like how he came in, contributed, and left, but that doesn't seem that unusual. When he was here he seemed concerned with actually finding scum, whereas my memory of seeing him play scum last is that he didn't focus on that at all. Comparing him to a different player in Bureaucracy doesn't seem relevant.
And yeah, annul is definitely scummy. I detest him objecting to pretty much every candidate just on the way the wagon went and not pushing people properly himself.
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On October 03 2012 08:30 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
Mattchew: I think you're nitpicking at slOosh's case when the main thrust of it was similar to what I wrote. Coming back with nice paragraphs about how things went down Day 1 after the fact is very nice and all, but it's all after the fact, when it's a bit late. Somewhat nullish on slOosh because I want him to post more, but he shared similar views to me on you.
With BC, I don't like how he came in, contributed, and left, but that doesn't seem that unusual. When he was here he seemed concerned with actually finding scum, whereas my memory of seeing him play scum last is that he didn't focus on that at all. Comparing him to a different player in Bureaucracy doesn't seem relevant.
And yeah, annul is definitely scummy. I detest him objecting to pretty much every candidate just on the way the wagon went and not pushing people properly himself. nice paragraphs about yesterday? i merely answered your questions
o.o I guess it's wrong to condemn you for writing so wordily when I was asking you about it, I think it's the reaction of seeing that compared to the.... nothingness during Day 1. Or perhaps worse than nothingness, actually being around and posting pointlessly.
Tell me what you make of Mementoss and talismania?
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On October 03 2012 09:17 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote:
And yeah, annul is definitely scummy. I detest him objecting to pretty much every candidate just on the way the wagon went and not pushing people properly himself. "pretty much every candidate" = shady and node? hyperbole much?
both main candidates + you not pushing anyone. Not too much hyperbole really :/
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Palmar couldn't lynch my fucking cat
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way to punish players for being good. What a fucking joke of a setup this game is
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