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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 19:37 GMT
#1726
Sorry I can't do that before deadline but I can't.

Also, don't let next day cycle be just everyone vote BC and stop talking like the last couple. I know we found 3rd party, but talk about the next scum, especially using this new info.

@kush thats what I meant by suboptimal play, it woulda been much better at deadline so I could have another watch.

Sorry for being useless this game, I wasn't really into it because of 2 games at once.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 19:38 GMT
#1727
On October 09 2012 04:28 kushm4sta wrote:
BC lied about being shot n1.
Why? Because there are only 2 medics.
There is no medic in this game other than paramedic (see role list)

d2
austin claim shot and prot
bc claim shot and prot
marv prot by risen


So this should indicate that there are 3 medics. I do not believe that is the case because 1) Any more than 2 would be pretty OP. 2) day 3.

d3
hapa prot by mkfuba
NO CLAIMS

We have no more medics.
If there was another medic, why wouldn't the person they protected claim?
D2 mkfuba protected austin.
A kp got blocked when VE was rb.
BC took the blocked kp as a opportunity to claim he was shot and protected.



More reason to lynch this guy, he knows BC didn't lie because hes scum, but is trying to make a case against him saying he lied to grab some town cred after he flips 3rd party.

But yeah BC is SK night immune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 19:47 GMT
#1730
On October 09 2012 04:44 kushm4sta wrote:
Momentoss you think I'm scum because I knew something was up with BC without reasoning.
I give the reason (thankfully seconds before your claim).
Now I'm scum because I'm trying to get towncred?? huh


im not quite sure to be honest, it was just a thought. But the hard defense by marv twice in a row when I was reading more in day 1 stuck in my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 19:48 GMT
#1731
Also this was before you gave reasoning for knowing BC lied.

So, now that you gave reasoning its less of a scum read on you, but still think you may be scum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 20:17 GMT
#1736
lynch almost 100% for sure SK/3rd party or take a chance at lynching a scum off analysis.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 20:27 GMT
#1739
well im assuming scum will kill me and verify my claim tonight. Unless they want me continue watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 20:36:45
October 08 2012 20:36 GMT
#1745

Changed to watcher.

Node carrying out KP instead of being vig is the same situation. He visited BC and tried to kill him, but couldn't. Since no one else visited him he was not medic'd. He lied about medic. Only possible way he isn't SK is if you believe he is Veteran before the role was removed from the game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 20:36 GMT
#1746
can i edit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 20:36 GMT
#1748
i edited.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:10 GMT
#1759
On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 04:35 Mementoss wrote:
I am the Medical Examiner aka, I am the watcher, after clues got taken away my role was changed.

Breadcrumb, the only breadcrumb would be I changed my quote to "mommy whats a gravedigger" cause I imagined the medical examiner digging up dead people to examine them. The other would be how I exchanged words with BC after he claimed he was shot.

Okay to the more juicy stuff.

Night 1:

I watched BC, BC was visited by Node(Hapa) or the mafia vigilante. So he did not lie about the shot. However, he did lie about being medic protected.

On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2.


On October 04 2012 04:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:47 Mementoss wrote:
On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2.


Why do you think marv shot you?


I find it highly unlikely a town vig shot me over any of the other players in the game tbh. Given that I was shot and survived I assume it was the mafia and thus thanking the magical medic.



Why would town lie about this? I can't think of motivation. The only reason BC would lie about this would be because he wanted to make scum think there was a medic saving his ass. Actually, the only possible way BC is town is if he is veteran, I don't see why he would lie about this as town, and just say hai guys I was shot, but I was veteran so give me some protection tonight. However, I doubt Blackmamba would take out the veteran role after one of the vets already lost his life. Also, given the fact that Mafia didn't try to shoot him again makes me 95% sure BC is the 3rd Party Night Immue Serial Killer.

On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 04 2012 05:00 Z-BosoN wrote:
Wait, so Risen the paramedic, another medic on BC, and, incredibly, another one @ austin, who was also shot?? Do we have three medics, does everyone buy this??


Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig)

We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv.

We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think.


This quote also seems like he knows a bit too much, it implies that third party has some kp since no one is claiming vig.

I would 100% lynch BC tomorrow because of this lie.

That brings me to my next point. Mafia knew BC was third party after night 1.

On October 08 2012 09:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Guys guys guys.

Don't lynch BC - he's a 3rd Party Role


On October 08 2012 09:11 Hapahauli wrote:
On October 08 2012 09:09 Coagulation wrote:
How the fuck do you know hes third party?


On October 05 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote:
Seriously guys, BloodyC0bbler. I expect specific thanks from all of you later in the game.


It's actually really obvious.


Last minute ploys by dead mafia players to get the lynch on the third party to try and save members of their team or just to put WIFOM not to kill BC. We can use this now known knowledge to our advantage. Anyone who has been pushing BC hard after night 1 without much reason, or seems like they know too much, is scum. They are scum looking for some town cred for leading a lynch on anti town.

On October 08 2012 09:47 kushm4sta wrote:
bc is scum. bc lied about getting shot. zboson is also scum. ve is also scum.
these are my current thoughts.
##unfos coag
Case later.


This post rubbed me the wrong way. BC is scum because he lied about getting shot, yet kushm4ster has no evidence to prove BC lieing about being shot. He is using this as his only reasoning. Also Marv, hard defended this guy, almost single handedly getting a wagon off him with a meta case.

On October 01 2012 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
kush as townie:

On September 03 2012 18:47 kushm4sta wrote:
So it seems like the consensus is to lynch either cubu or kville. Anyone not feel this way?
Even if they aren't mafia they are solid policy lynches.
Now the question is which one.
Kville is the bigger lurker, but I think there is a higher possibility for cubu to actually be mafia.
Honestly cubu probably isn't mafia either, just because I think mafia would put more effort into their posts. Lynching one of these guys is better than lynching someone who is active though. So my vote is still on cubu.


Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check
Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check


On October 01 2012 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Good luck rationalising kush's play from any perspective. As in the post-game to my most recent newbie game, Hapahauli pointed out the significant difference in his town/scum play - his attitude. I'm nowhere near convinced his attitude this game is his scum attitude.



I could see kushm4sta as scum.

Night 2:

I watched sloosh and nothing happened.

I wish the night deadline was earlier so I could do this last minute and get one last watch. But hopefully this will prove to be useful. Since I was shit all game and I'm sorry lol.

But yeah look back after night 1/2 and see people that seemed to have a switch of thoughts on BC or knew too much. Because scum knew BC was 3rd party pretty early. I wish I could be more helpful but I haven't been doing enough reading into the game.

I would say lynch BC > lynch kushm4ster

TLDR;

BloodyC0bbler
kushm4stap



You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen .

Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia.

Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game.


well of course thats what your gunna claim because thats the only way you would be town, its possible though I don't know if its true lol.

I said SK because I just relate 3rd party with SK for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:12 GMT
#1760
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:24 GMT
#1768
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:30 GMT
#1769
also note how hard i question BC right after medic claim because it was untrue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:43 GMT
#1774
On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.


Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*

I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.


Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.



I thought it was possible mafia medic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:45 GMT
#1776
I would also like to see the ton of heat, people seemed to be ignoring me, I wasn't putting in much effort and just getting watches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:50 GMT
#1778
On October 09 2012 06:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
@BC:

Again, since you didn't answer me.

What makes you think that a watcher sees that someone leaves to go do something when you watch them? The specific role information doesn't suggest that at all, nor does the watcher information on mafiascum wiki. I've not played with a ton of watcher, but all of them have been the exact same variation (except in heavily themed games): you see who targets your target, and thats it.


Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs*

I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated.

On October 09 2012 06:24 Mementoss wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On October 09 2012 06:12 Mementoss wrote:
Why would you lie about being Medic'd BC?


Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal.


I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point.


Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely.



I thought it was possible mafia medic.


Why would I claim a non existent hit? It only puts me in a spotlight and makes people count kills throughout following days to see if shots mesh out at all. If I claim a hit and everyday thereafter there is always one KP missing from that day (barring mafia deaths or vigi's accounting for the days kp) Id be auto lynched.


Because you almost always die on day 1? Gives you a cop-out for everyone that says day 3, BC not dead he must be scum, you can just say you got hit they scared of it not going through again or some shit. You could be vet, but lieing about being medic'd when there was already a couple medics claimed made no sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:53 GMT
#1781
On October 09 2012 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 06:43 Coagulation wrote:
bc are you saying mementoss is scum?


its certainly possible given two known mafia have attempted to get me lynched on the same response. He claims a flipped role, and his watch just happens to include a dead scum, and his second check turns up notta. The timing is odd given that I had called him out yesterday for shitty behaviour and likely being scum. Does this mean he 100% is? No, but the time of his claim is weird as shite, even you should see that.


how is it weird, I couldn't claim at deadline, and although unlikely, if I died tonight, then town wouldn't have this info. Claiming at deadline woulda been could cause I probably woulda got another watch.

anyways it would make no sense for me to do this as scum and you even thinking its plausible just makes me think you are 3rd party even more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 21:54 GMT
#1782
im out for the night
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 08 2012 22:03 GMT
#1786
Before I go, it was my fault I should have asked. Carry on with game like nothing happened. lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 09 2012 11:34 GMT
#1864
well i have been role blocked.

will be voting BC unless we can get a good idea to who is scum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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