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debears
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1) Omni (if he shows up) 2) Me 3) ??? (Stutters, Z-Bo, SS | ||
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How so? I could see it if we were talking 2 scum left. Is this under the assumption that there isn't a godfather and instead a framer or goon lefT? | ||
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debears
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Reasons I feel he is scum: 1) He avoided the kush case d1 until the kush "I don't care implosion". 2) He defended kush himself by saying the slip wasn't really a slip and that meta is bad to use for cases 3) He attacked me for "soft defending kush" despite him actually defending kush 4) He wanted me lynched instead of kush although he said he felt like kush was scummier (after early statements saying kush wasn't that scummy) 5) Wanted me lynched over Alsn although he felt Alsn was way scummier (He said along the lines of 10X more scummy than me although he was so indecisive all d2 about us) 6) He said he would make sure I got lynched d2 despite kush's alignment, and especially so using his mod warning association case. 7) D2 comes and he wants to stop the arguments between us for a while 8) D2 he says he will get me lynched d3 no matter what Alsn flips 9) Now, d3 is here and he instead wants to push someone else, suddenly seeing the townie motivation in my previous posts and using meta to defend me, although I don't see a situation in which I don't get lynched. 10) His main argument against me day one was inconsistency on who I scumhunted and then consistency in my arguments against them. That's the same exact reasoning I used on thrawn last game!!!!!!!! Also, he noticed that kush and Alsn didn't actually do scumhunting, yet he saw me as scummier. Let me break up the scum and townie motivations as I see them 1-4) Townie - He actually thought his case was that great against me and thought I was actually scum. Mafia - Lesrah was a no show. Kush is under heat. He doesn't have to directly support kush. Instead, he can push another lynch candidate. Finds it too hard, and instead bandwagons before the deal is sealed 5-8) Townie - His opinion changed quickly each day as he saw better evidence against others and realized he was wrong Mafia - He wants to keep me around as a fall back and seem like he is decisive and after someone. He wants to use me as an excuse for the nks til he can find someone else 9) Townie - Sees that I most likely am not mafia and will actually try to help me (If I see a in depth case actually defending me I would more likely believe this) Mafia - Wants town cred knowing that I will very likely be lynched. 10) Townie - Confirmation Bias Mafia - Attack an easier active target with a believable case (set me up when kush did the "I saved you debears" and "scumteam 4 lyfe" Btw - It's pretty obvious that kush was trying very hard to set me up. I have been thinking of why. I have to read through the whole d1 before I come to my main conclusion on that. I will probably look over this list later to see if it really still says which is greater. In terms of meta, I'm still having trouble noticing stuff (maybe I don't really know what to look for - any suggestions there?) As town in LVII - 1) was much more indecisive. 2)Addressed everyone all the time it seemed. 3) Made only a couple of big cases. 4)Didn't use much red text at all (should I be considering that in meta reads?) and definitely not repeatedly on the same person. 5) He did get on Hapa early d1 for defending someone else (not saying that I'm hapa but maybe I'm on the right track ) 6) He stresses not scumhunting in his main cases (in other words, doesn't worry so much about who and the exact basis of the arguments as long as they are sound) 7) Later in the game, he starts defending others more often 8) His main concern is differentiating between bad town play and scum play (his main concern this game has been looking only really at mafia motivations and disregarding townie motivations) 9) Got defensive when called out for being suspicious without reasoning. As scum in NMM XXIV 1)He's aggressive with calling other's scum (using red text with that) 2) He says he wants reads shared (he asked me for all of mine this game) 3) He didn't want to bus 4) He read too much into posts, trying to nitpick and exaggerate arguments (kinda like this game with SDM early and then the emotions wording with Alsn) 5) His flip flops on his top scumreads (saying one moment they are confirmed scum then saying they aren't that scummy) 6)He worried about the reasoning behind nk (none of that this game) 7) Main scum reads were on inconsistencies/those playing badly (sounds like my case) 8) He makes long posts but has little substance in them His makes a clear effort in calling a person scum in these posts. For instance, saying scumslip? Is he scum wanting us to believe that? (does the same in his main case against me) 9) Gets defensive and flames when he is accused (sounds like him after I made an early case on him. He immediately tried to discredit me) This was alot of research. But I feel like he has mixed his town meta with his scum meta well. That, and the fact that I've been suspicious of him all game, is driving me nuts. There is both scum and town motivation is his posts, and he is following patterns from both games. Add on to this, in his scum game he wasn't quite as invested in terms of time. However, he had 2 other scum with him til late in the game. In this game, mafia would have to be active to keep mislynches open. Also, about SS I thought about the motivations behind corrosion asking for a replacement. It doesn't make much sense from a mafia perspective. He said he didn't have time to read through everything. A townie has to read through everything. It would make sense for a townie to ask for a replacement. A mafia, however, does not actually have to read everything in detail. They can take quicker looks at stuff and keep the game going on as before. And finally, SDM is my strongest town read besides Djo at this point. I'd say trust those two to the rest of town | ||
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debears
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Posting from my phone. Have practice and can't read. Axe omni if he posts befoee lynch This will at least give power to swing. I feel like he is less town than we feel ss and djo both have seen what i have seen from him. | ||
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debears
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On October 06 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh lol. Thought there was. Anyways, forgot about this one. From my POV n1, me and DP were the most likely hit targets. This is me trying to bait it towards me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=445&topic_id=370487 It makes more sense than for scum to have shot DP twice. Scum prob thought the medic was saving me. My view on Djodref's claim is, unless we get to mylo where things get nasty, we should encounter it as legit. Shady Sands, in my eyes, is the only one who has a fair chance of being scum. We lynch debears, we lynch SS, we should be fine. Please don't be retarded and still find me scum after this. DP had a town meta read on me, and he's played in all my games. Much more trustworthy than a debears "lololol scum ZB posts in red!1" one. Now that the pressure is off, read my filter carefully and try to think why in the godamn hell would I take so muhc trouble to switch between townies, when it's 100 times easier (and safer) for me to stick with one. Also read my cases and tell me how in a million years they can even be compared to the ones on debears. Also, my claim makes a lot of sense. It's why I've been more aggressive and confident this game. There's this one other post I recall where I stated I had my own reasons for going after debears, but I can't find it, don't remember what to control+F and I don't think it's worth the trouble. My original plan was to claim having been shot n1 and using that as an argument to go full throttle against debears, whom I've been tunneling during day 1, but then I had decided this was a pretty bad argument and would lose my ticket to not being nk (I was thinking that there could be SK). Anyways, we should be good now. If debears or shady sands is medic, claim and seal the game 100%. Otherwise, just stick with debears and we should be fine. Why would you say you were vote switching among townies when you think I'm certain scum or shady is? Definite scumslip ##vote z-boson | ||
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Lol you are using wifom to defend yourself by saying scum wouldnt do that. Terrible defense reasoning. You totally disregard how suddenly d3 comes and you don't want to lynch me until you are under pressure | ||
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##unvote ##vote shadysands Got him. Jumped way too easily on that fake scumslip claim | ||
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You make an illogical statment about his veteran claim and jump on an illogical scumslip. | ||
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On October 06 2012 07:49 Shady Sands wrote: Why are you pushing for lynch trains already when no one on your list has flipped yet? All that does is give scum an easy way to NK people who everyone thinks is confirmed townie to setup the best LYLO situation possible. On the RCs: A cop RC is barely worth more than a Mason/Confirmed Townie RC at this point, since it's likely the last remaining scum is GF/Framer. Likewise, a vet RC is essentially a null tell, because if there is a GF/Framer, there is no reliable way to check ZB. (If there is a GF, Z-Boson might be a false negative; if there is a Framer, ZB might be a false positive). What seals the deal in terms of ZB's further scumminess is how he thinks Debears and or me are the last medic, and are inviting us to claim. That just smells to me like a blue-sniping attempt. Remember at this point scum have to kill the medic fast, or else the game is over for them. Finally, I am deeply dissatisfied with a no-lynch. In a situation where the last scum is trying to stay hidden, no-lynching is exactly what they want since they never have to "put their money where their mouth is" in terms of losing towncred by pushing a mislynch. I am going to repeat this to everyone: at this point I do not see how you can a) assign any weight to ZB's vet claim or b) view the rest of his filter as anything but scum. ##Vote Z-Boson Here's the deal though, the medic, if he does not claim, allows Z-Bo to become confirmed town. If he believes that Z-Bo is indeed town, then thats fine. But if he believes Z-Bo is scum, as you think so, then not claiming would allow a scum to hide. See what I mean? After night, the medic should probably claim and give the scum a hard decision on who to shoot on the next night, if the game even goes that long. | ||
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debears
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Why did you not vote for me before lynch? You, of all players, should know that we needed a lynch there, especially me, since I came off scummy d1 and have since been at the forefront of attention because of it. You were there. | ||
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If there's mylo btw me, sdm, and rsc, something really random would have to happen. I would like sdm to address my question though. His refusal to change votes onto me was weird | ||
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