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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 16:41 GMT
#954
Also I would like to ask you a question.

Let's just assume that Omni, SS and me are town. Who is going to be your next scumread ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 16:47 GMT
#958
I agree the situation is pretty fucked up...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 16:49 GMT
#959
I'm ok to consolidate on Omni if we cannot get sure that he is going to be modkilled.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 17:13 GMT
#965
I'm here also
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 17:21 GMT
#969
But I don't want to wait until 5am to see if you guys are going to be able to come to a consensus or not.

Looking at the latest mod post, it makes 5 people to have a lynch.

We could make sure to lynch Omni for sure, modkill or not modkill. Stutters is not going to happen.
I want to lynch debears but nobody seems to want him dead anymore.
Debears and Z-Boson want to lynch me. They could do it with the help of RSC and SDM. I doubt that Shady would be happy to lynch me since I've shown support of his Z-Boson case. But you need still one more vote which should come from Stutters or Omni...

I don't want to go to bed and find out that I have been lynched in the morning. I'll stay around...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 17:26 GMT
#971
You really want to see me dead, don't you ?

By the way, if you are here, can you find out who are you going to go after if Omni and me flip town today ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 17:38 GMT
#973
Let's consolidate on Omni then !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 17:40 GMT
#974
Oww, thrawn had just edited his post, he said first he was going to look for replacements...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#988
Ok guys, I'm sorry for being such a bad player but I really don't want to get mislynch.

Here is the trump card I was talking about: I claim cop !

I have breadcrumbed it here

On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk

For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis.


FLIC means COP in French. You can look it up. I have been checking Remedy N1 and Shady N2. I've breadcrumbed both intent to check and results on the following posts. I've got "Not Suspicious" on both of them.

On October 01 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:
@debears

Well I would disagree about sheeping. Nobody so far has pointed out the defense you got from kush and the posts where he implies that you are his scumbuddy.
So why do you think kush was defending you ?

@everyone

Before going to bed, I would like to state that my guess for the scumteam is now debears/alsn. I think Z-BosoN has the right of it. I'm asking for a vig shot on debears !

Also Remedy is too much of a lurker. I don't think we are going to encounter lylo or mylo situations in this game but I hope that we can get something of him before this...




The result if here

On October 01 2012 10:03 Djodref wrote:
Remedy

It's good to get something from you ! Welcome back to town
+ Show Spoiler +

@debears

Thanks for finally answering my questions about the way kush treated you in his post. You seemed very reluctant to do it.

On October 01 2012 03:04 debears wrote:
@Djo

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:
@debears

Well I would disagree about sheeping. Nobody so far has pointed out the defense you got from kush and the posts where he implies that you are his scumbuddy.
So why do you think kush was defending you ?


@everyone

Before going to bed, I would like to state that my guess for the scumteam is now debears/alsn. I think Z-BosoN has the right of it. I'm asking for a vig shot on debears !

Also Remedy is too much of a lurker. I don't think we are going to encounter lylo or mylo situations in this game but I hope that we can get something of him before this...




You have been sheeping. Look at SDM's case on you

Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 22:03 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
And to clarify a couple of things about my case on Djo now that I'm up to date on the thread:

1. Latching on to others reads: As newbie scum it's really hard to make original cases. I had first hand experience Cubu and Imcasey in XXVI. The only case Imcasey could make was against our scum buddy Xatalos (that's quite easy because he knew he was scum). We had a similar situation with Debears in XXVII, at least in the beginning where the only case he could make was a defense of Thrawn, which is easy to do because he knew knew he was town (well, he flipped SK, but Debears couldn't know).

2. How can anyone buy into Kush's defense that easily? A newbie town is usually very suspcicious and it was a really silly defense, at the very best null. Using "player" and "people" sounds awkward? How isn't that an obvious lie?

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote:
2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use.
Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro.


As for the other lurkers, I don't find Remedy suspicious, rather the opposite although his post count is still low. Nothing really stuck out to me the same way Djo did when reading Omn's and Corrosion's filter.


Also, the reason why no one is addressing kush's "scum for life" and "I saved you" posts to me is because the argument is pure WIFOM.

Kush was scum. For that reason, we have to look at scum motivations
1) He was giving away his partner and throwing the game away. I believe he didn't give up on the game since he was mafia. Otherwise, he would most likely be punished for his actions in the game. Also, he is experienced. He isn't a dumb noob that would give up. He was willing to take the sack as scum last game when people started reading him as scum (although it never came to that).
2) He was attempting to set up someone who had "soft defended" him so that it would lead to a mislynch the next day.This point can be easily turned into WIFOM.

Why would you believe the words of a confirmed scum? The purpose of mafia is to disrupt the the town and turn townies against each other. Number two fulfills that purpose.


I agree that kush defending you can be turn into a WIFOM shitfest. But what I get from kush's meta is that he let his emotions speak anyway, regardless if he is town or mafia. I think that's the reason why DarthPunk nailed him so easily.
I've been looking at kush's behavior through the thread and I found that it changes after Z-BosoN's case on you.

Please look carefully at the time stamps
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 29 2012 05:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
This is the time when Z-BosoN strongly attacks debears and vote for him in the thread.

All the following posts are from kush's filter. I think he was desparate to see the game lost for mafia so fast and started to flame and troll.

On September 29 2012 05:46 kushm4sta wrote:
Hi z bozon.
Inconsistencies do not make someone scum.
Also it's quite funny how you are so certain this early in the game.
To summarize this awesome post: your case is not strong. you are overconfident in your scumread.


Very first reaction to Z-BosoN's vote on debears

On September 29 2012 05:52 kushm4sta wrote:
hi stutters .
its not that I don't give a fuck about this game. its that I don't give a fuck about not making "scumslips".

what questions have I dodged? To need to ask me them with a.question mark apart from the rest of your text.

The only question I see are what are other examples of savvy. I can't find them on my.phone. He fought with Alsn (allison?) though. Maybe you can look into that

racquetball is lame.

also you are.not excused cursing.



Flaming stutters

On September 29 2012 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
My.top scumread after darthpenguin: haven't given it.much thought. maybe djosef because he is playing the noobs.card pretty hard.
and djo guy,.if you want people.to say your name right don't make it random letters please


Attacking me because my name is weird ! (This one is a joke by the way)

On September 29 2012 06:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:
On September 29 2012 05:59 kushm4sta wrote:
My.top scumread after darthpenguin: haven't given it.much thought. maybe djosef because he is playing the noobs.card pretty hard.
and djo guy,.if you want people.to say your name right don't make it random letters please


Then give it more thought.


kush seems scummiest honestly
##vote kush


The ice on the cake

And one hour later

On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote:
debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe


He think he was still heated at that time. Also I think he got blamed for it because there is an apology post from him roughly one hour later again.

On September 29 2012 08:58 kushm4sta wrote:
i apologize btw





Honestly I would feel better if it was a WIFOM trap but I don't think so. Kush directly discredited Z-BosoN when he voted for you and at a time when he wasn't totally derailing. I'm pretty sure that's what made him go ape shit.



And for Shady's check I didn't breadcrumbed it in advance because I wasn't not sure who to check.



On October 04 2012 19:48 Djodref wrote:
by the way is everyone afk or dead ?

I'm not so familiar with Shady meta but isn't he supposed to more active ? it would be interesting to see the difference between corrosion's posts and his.

No one is here ? Seriously we might lose to just one maf player with all the lurkers...

(in the improbable case where debears is not scum)



and result is NS as Not Suspicious

I'm quite sure we have a setup with a medic, a cop and a godfather.
At first I wanted to check the lurkers to clear them if needed but my results don't mean nothing I bet.


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:22 GMT
#995
@debears

Because I was sure you were going to get lynched. I don't need to waste a check on a guy that is going to be lynched.
Also I didn't want to be sniped so I was playing a bit silly on purpose.

Nevertheless, I'm serious with my FoS on Z-Boson.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:24 GMT
#997
My general strategy was to check the lurkers in the case we get to LYLO or MYLO situation. They were less likely to be targeted by a possible framer and less likely to be lynched by the mafia.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:29 GMT
#1002
Also I did consider to check Lesrah then Z-Boson on N2. Hence my numerous posts to ask about how Lesrah was going to be handled. Please notice how I used the bold font to designate the targets of my checks.

You can find it on Lesrah here

On October 02 2012 11:23 Djodref wrote:
Hello guys !

Just a quick post from work.

It looks like either Alsn or debears are going to be lynched today. I'm totally fine with that because they are actually my scumteam right now. I'd prefer a debears lynch because of my cases against him so my vote is on him right now but I guess we are going to end up lynching Alsn for the following reasons:

  • Association with kush
  • Clustering the thread without scumhunting
  • Lack of commitment

Also DarthPunk has made an early vote him so I'm pretty sure town is gonna sheep on him at the end. But please don't do this ! Try to come out with your own decisions
Nevertheless, I might need to switch my vote to secure a lynch on Alsn. If so, I'm going to do it 5 hours before the deadline when I go to bed.

Also I'm seriously promising you here a better post regarding why I suspect Alsn.

Now regarding corrosion, I think he is the wagon mafia is going to try to push today so please take your time to read his filter twice (not so long ) with the following glasses:

  • He is an evil scum !
  • He is newbie town ^^

And decide for yourself

See ya !

PS: I'm hoping for Lesrah to catch up quickly


and on Z-Boson here (I don't use @ when I do my breadcrumbs)

On October 03 2012 22:55 Djodref wrote:
Z-BosoN

Are you in or are you too much shacked by Alsn death ?
You have a personal history with debears iirc ^^


At this point, after all the WIFOM arguments with debears, I was wondering who would benefit the most from an elaborate bus so I wanted to check Z-Boson but I gave up the idea because it was stupid.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:34 GMT
#1006
I would like to add that you shouldn't take any of my results for granted. I'm quite sure that we have a gf and that they are irrelevant.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:39 GMT
#1010
I know but I don't want you guys to even think about the possibility of a framer. I've personally wasted a lot of time speculating about the validity of my checks so it would be better that we forget them.

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:41 GMT
#1012
Don't start this, I'm serious ^^

Let's just take for granted that we have a lonely godfather left
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:45 GMT
#1013
@Stutters

I don't want to lynch you, I want to lynch debears <3

If Omni flips as a townie, I would say that either Z-Boson or debears is scum.
But I also think that you would be in a perfect position as a scum right now. Your timing is far too perfect !

@Z-Boson

I feel sorry for the efforts you put in your case but I didn't feel threatened until Stutters came back into the thread.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:52 GMT
#1018
Honestly you guys made me stay up until 4am. I'm kinda wasted now.

Given the behavior that Z-Boson has just shown and him voting me, I would like to OMGus him. But you and shady are not clean. I think town can afford a no lynch and we are going to get the info of Omni flip anyway.

What do you guys think ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 18:59 GMT
#1020
well shady is not here and he is not going to move his vote so I think it could be easier to consolidate on Z-Boson

##Unvote

##Vote Z-BosoN
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 19:01 GMT
#1021
Also I could clean more and more people ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 05 2012 19:20 GMT
#1027
Ok guys !

Here is my lynch ranking right now:
  • Z-BosoN/debears (I've got a really strong feeling that one of them is the last scum)
  • Stutters (for his miraculous reapparition)
  • Shady (But I still have a good town read on corrosion's filter)


My conclusion is that we should go for a no-lynch. We are not under any pressure to lynch anyone imo.
Better to take more time and decide tomorrow. What do you think ?

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