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On October 03 2012 00:07 debears wrote:
Hi Shady!!
@Alsn
To me d1 case on you isn't as strong as the d2 case.
You keep saying you don't want to defend yourself, yet you haven't scumhunted
Seriously, I'm so sick of this argument. You say I haven't scum hunted, yet almost everyone in the thread agrees that you and me are the scum team and that everyone else is town or the very least null. If no one else can find any evidence of scum among the rest of the players, why should my lack of finding any mean that I'm suddenly not scum hunting? Yes, everyone else could definitely just genuinely believe that we are both scum, but you? Either you are town yourself and should be suspicious that everyone considers us as the main scum team, or you are scum and you know that I'm town. If anything you using that argument could be considered a slip but me suggesting that is probably WIFOM on some level.
I've spent massive amounts of time reading filters, I've asked a few questions where I wanted answers but either they turn up nothing or they don't get answered. It's like you're saying anyone who scum hunts must have come to a conclusion. What if scum are actually just hiding well?
Also, your maths is silly. 40% just means that I find you more scummy than random chance(75% chance of town, 25% scum based on the setup) which is what "null" means in my mind. Why you would use 50/50 as a baseline is beyond me. I could see reason to use 10/12 town vs 2/12 scum since kush has flipped, or 9/11 vs 2/11 but the latter includes the supposition that I'm town.
I'm leaving my vote on you, and that's final. I'll try and figure out who scum number two is before I get lynched, but I don't think I will be able to.
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thrawn I think there's something wrong with your post, I'm pretty sure that Z-BosoN unvoted debears? But I could be mistaken, please double check. I definitely already voted though but just to be sure.
##Vote: debears
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EBWOP: I meant that I could see reason to use 9/11 vs 2/11 or 8/10 vs 2/10. For some reason I remember to kill off kush as scum but not subtract him from the total amount of players.
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And I meant to post that in all green like so. I need a break, be back to reading the thread once I cool down a bit.
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Shit, I went to the bathroom and couldn't help but feel that I was on to something, so this will be my case against debears.
I'm going out on a limb and saying that I'm 100% convinced that debears is scum and I'll tell you why.
He keeps mentioning that I'm not scum hunting, but in the case that he's town and truly think that I'm scum, he must find it suspicious that so many of you others think us both scum since there has to be one more scum out there. Funny thing is though, his main other scum target is corrosion who explicitly said that he had no opinion of me due to outright not even reading my posts. Corrosion is one of the few people who actually isn't(or wasn't I suppose, since he was replaced) of the opinion that me and debears are the two remaining scum. He was suspicious of debears, but not me.
This makes a lot of sense to me because Shady Sands upon replacing corrosion is of the exact opposite opinion. He finds me scummy but not debears. If corrosion was indeed scum wouldn't it make sense that Shady would try and keep corrosions story somewhat straight? Instead he seems to genuinely share his own feelings with regards to the current situation. This leads me to believe that corrosion/Shady is town, and debears used corrosion's newbie posting as a way to display his willingness to scum hunt as he puts it. In fact, debears only commits to those reads after Z-BosoN pressures him to share his reads on those players.
The interesting thing is that the idea that I'm not scum hunting isn't even his own. DarthPunk and Z-BosoN(I think, please don't go ape shit on me if that's incorrect, I can't be arsed to go over his filter *again*) called me out for it much earlier than him, but they have good reason for it because they are not me or debears, if they are town they have no reason not to believe we can both be scum based on our previous record. Less so now, but when they called me out for not scum hunting I had been behaving very oddly due to having to retract my feeling that they were scummy.
Debears lack of comments about Shady's case on me also supports this theory, because right now the pressure on him has decreased, it's in his best interest right now to make it seem like his story is consistent, and keeping up pressure on me since he made a massive case against me is probably his best bet.
I'm asking for a lynch on debears. If there's something that I've missed that is inherently contradictory, then fuck me I'm useless at this game.
I'm working on a theory of who might be the second scum, but I don't think I'll be able to narrow it down to a name but if that changes before lynch I will definitely let you all know.
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@SDM, would you please read my latest theory and comment on it please?
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I just realised that him having corrosion as his second biggest scum read isn't necessarily contradictory. He could still be town and legitimately suspect that me and him are the scum team. :/
Bleh, I'll really take a break this time, I need to clear my head.
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On September 29 2012 19:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Stop complaining about other people scum hunting and do some yourself.
Wow, why don't you look at this time stamp? It took me literally 10 seconds to find it.
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@Djodref
What are you trying to say, exactly?
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No, the idea that I had that made me think he must be scum 100% is that I figured from my own point of view a metric fuckton of people think either me or debears or both are scummy. That being the case, I thought that if he was town genuinely suspecting myself of being scum instead of scum trying to desperately lynch someone else(I was the only other scummy target) that it meant him suspecting corrosion must have been a slip somehow and that it meant he must be scum. I'm still pretty sure he's scum, but I just don't think that particular fact is a guaranteed scum tell.
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Also debears, as for your contention that you somehow suspecting corrosion is original, your first mention of corrosion is to defend yourself where he asks if you slipped wrt to your marv coach comment. The next time you mention him is that post to Darth where you say you are making a case against him.
However, that's several hours after Z-BosoN asks you the following:
On September 30 2012 05:37 Z-BosoN wrote:
I've taken a look at Alsn's lurker lists filters and found some interesting things. Out of those four, who do you think would be the third scum, assuming it's one of them?
As such, you suspecting corrosion most certainly isn't an original idea. Especially considering Z-BosoN had pressured corrosion in one of his posts earlier. I would argue that you chose corrosion carefully as a target among those players. Especially since you admit yourself that you thought DarthPunk was suspicious of corrosion as well.
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On October 03 2012 02:31 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 02:13 Alsn wrote:
No, the idea that I had that made me think he must be scum 100% is that I figured from my own point of view a metric fuckton of people think either me or debears or both are scummy. That being the case, I thought that if he was town genuinely suspecting myself of being scum instead of scum trying to desperately lynch someone else(I was the only other scummy target) that it meant him suspecting corrosion must have been a slip somehow and that it meant he must be scum. I'm still pretty sure he's scum, but I just don't think that particular fact is a guaranteed scum tell. I'm still not sure if I get it. Shady is confirmed town because he didn't stick to Corrosions' ideas. Debears attacks Corrosion and thus he's scum. Even if your Corrosion/Shady argument is 100% accurate (quite the stretch), townies can still suspect townies. Am I at least getting close? Nevermind, the reason I thought it was 100% was based on how my own line of thinking was going. I realised that there's a possibility a town debears wouldn't necessarily have reached the same conclusion. I think he's scummy for suspecting corrosion due to being pressured to suspect someone because I myself couldn't find much reasons to suspect corrosion and I bet everyone feels somewhat the same with regards to that point.
I don't think there's much point in trying to explain myself any longer though because at the very most I suspect I'll achieve a no-lynch and not my preferred lynch of debears.
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On October 03 2012 02:41 debears wrote:
Also, my case on corrosion had distinctly different ideas from Z-Bo's
Z-Bo wanted him to explain his accusations on Darth.
I wanted him to explain his vote and his terrible reasoning which came way after, besides the other scummy stuff he had done.
I guessed that DP was suspicious of corrosion because I was and the corrosion case had evidence. That's WIFOM Which again RemedySC had pointed out before you, not original.
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Well, I guess this is goodbye.
The only advantage I've had over anyone here is that I've actually known that I'm town but I have nothing to show for it. In hindsight I think my biggest mistake was sharing waaaaay too much of my own thoughts, but I don't think the situation we've ended up in is all that terrible. If nothing else me looking scummy at least sparked a ton of discussion.
I can almost guarantee that no one in this game spent more time scum hunting than me(I've almost literally spent every single hour since the game started either sleeping, eating, or reading this thread and related filters), yet I came up with almost nothing. The only thing I can say is that everything I've claimed my intentions were, are true. I genuinely was of the opinion that lynching kush was policy for me, the only time I ever had doubts about lynching him was when I felt there were way too many votes for him too easily. I also genuinely suspected Darth and Z-BosoN, those were in fact the people who I would have wanted to lynch in that post where I claimed "I'd rather vote my top scum reads" but I just had no clue whatsoever that I would be unable to find anything supporting that feel read. My later "soul searching" was through coaching, but I didn't want to say that out loud since that felt like I would've dug an even deeper hole than what I was in at the time.
I'm afraid if I share any reads at this point that I'll just confuse and derail the thread further, so I wont. I just hope you can find the bastards.
Is there anything anyone reading the thread would like to know before I'm lynched? Anything that you don't understand that I can answer quickly?
If not, Good Luck!
Sincerely,
Alsn
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