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kushm4sta
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On September 28 2012 09:53 DarthPunk wrote: Also I am not against policy talk but that first post where you talk policy was also scummy as hell. Why was that scummy? You say something that you know, since you've been watching me like a creeper, would piss me off, then you vote for me for responding to it. So why was my policy talk scummy? You didn't even mention that in your vote post. | ||
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On September 28 2012 09:59 DarthPunk wrote: You are hardly antagonizing me. But no, it is not true. Firstly, if you were town you are not getting night killed. There is a reason that you have never been night killed, even when you claimed JK day one. Secondly, you are not getting night killed because you are not town.  that was 100% flame. now you are just insulting my play | ||
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On September 28 2012 10:08 DarthPunk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 09:58 kushm4sta wrote: Why was that scummy? You say something that you know, since you've been watching me like a creeper, would piss me off, then you vote for me for responding to it. So why was my policy talk scummy? You didn't even mention that in your vote post. Here you go buddy On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote: I have been told many times I have a "scummy meta." Not really fair since last game I did roll scum so I didn't really get a chance to show improvement in my town play. I'm working on it guys. Apologetic and excusing scummy play before the game has really begun. Intrinsic guilt and belief that you will come across as scum. Not a townie trait at all. On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote: This is my 4th newbie game so I'm experienced as possible to play in this game. Also I think rolling scum last game will help my reads greatly. I know how those fuckers think. Needlessly aggressive and otherwise irrelevant. Hinting you are town which is something scum worry about doing but townies are less inclined to do. On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote: Everyone say how you feel about lurker policy. I take kind of a middle of the ground stance. I mean if you have like 3 lurkers obviously you shouldn't waste 3 nights killing them off 1 by 1. If I think someone is scummy than I vote for that person. If I don't have any good scumreads then I will be in favor of lynching a lurker. Usually what seems to happen is town can't decide so they bandwagon on some lurker at the last second. I'm not against this since it keeps pressure on possible scum. I don't like people to say oh we are definitely lynching a lurker d1, because then scum feels safe as long as they are somewhat active. My willingness to lynch a lurker decreases as the game progresses. For example I think lynching a lurker d3 is really bad. Policy talk that says very little yet makes it seem like you want to contribute. Null tell at best but doesn't look great in the context of your post. On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote: Message to scum: I can smell you. Once again. Hinting you are town in your first post. Thank you. now why you didn't do that at first I don't know. Instead you engaged in this flame war with me for really no reason. About my first post, yeah it was meant as mostly irrelevant. Just an introduction so people could get to know me. I prob should not bring this up but let me just say I have an unkilled undefeated streak atm. 3 games played and I have yet to die and yet to lose. Therefore, for perhaps selfish reasons, I have a strong will to self survival. I want people to know that I have a scummy meta so they don't lynch me for it. Apparently you were ready to lynch me in all 3 games even though I was town in 2 of them. I want to avoid that. On September 28 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote: There is a reason that you have never been night killed, even when you claimed JK day one. Secondly, you are not getting night killed because you are not town. So that wasn't an insult or a flame? You are saying I've never been nk because scum doesn't see me as a threat because I am bad. That's the real talk translation. | ||
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On September 28 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk? Welcome to 90% of newbie games. You have to be nice or you scare them away. | ||
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On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote: Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. On September 28 2012 09:03 kushm4sta wrote: @Darth what are your thoughts on lurker policy? What is your opinion of policy lynches? What is your policy about policies? That's when I baited your fos. Your recent case against my defense basically says you think I play bad. Just because I don't fit your mold of how you want a townie to act does not mean I can't find scum. | ||
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@debears yeah it's like exactly the same as last game. That's because I think up my first post almost word for word before I even get my roll pm. I did not get to follow through with it last game though since I rolled scum. Also sorry for the semiflame war. It was not that bad. Also he started it. Aside from that, I think the plan to start tunneling during the second half of the day is really bad. It helped us a lot last game as scum because we had an excuse not to vote for the people we were fosing. On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: @Kush Was it also a joke ? How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ? Because the most active townie is tunneling me? Obviously I'm not going to be nk. And yes it was a joke but the best jokes have truth to them. It is a joke in that it's purpose was to be funny since obviously it doesn't help the scumhunt or my defense. | ||
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1. Why are you putting my name in red like darth? it seems like you are subliminally trying to influence people to your cause. This is a game of logic not advertising. 2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use. Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro. | ||
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1 You ask people what they think of me, Then when they don't tell you the exact answer you want to hear, you accuse them of defending me. What you meant was agree with me about kush or I will FOS you. 2 Did anyone notice how I went from DEFINITELY SCUM to a "distraction" instantly and without reason? On September 28 2012 21:23 DarthPunk wrote: Wow. Really? That was not an explanation at all. It was a slip, and now everyone believes his weak as shit explanation. Anyway this is obviously going nowhere. And it is becoming a distraction at this point. ##Unvote ##FoS: Kush @darthpunk Why did you unvote me if you are certain I am scum? He explains his strategy: I like to focus on one thing at a time. So why have you already FOSed 3 different people? 3 Darth's scumstrat is not so much to flame but to provoke. If there was nothing to go on I would have changed tac. Turns out he is scum. So I try and get him lynched. Savvy? This is from the post in which he FOSes Alsn. Not even his most inflamatory statement but pay close attention to his tone in his posts. Specifically, "Savvy?" Condescending, intimidating, irritating. He wants you to get pissed. 4 @Darthpunk at the end of newbie 26, marv said scum's biggest mistake was not nightkilling me. So your supposition that scum would never nightkill me is in itself ridiculous. It was an indirect flame, suggesting I play bad, and that's all that post was. | ||
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On September 29 2012 00:00 Stutters695 wrote: I'm awake. Catching up now. First impression is I really don't like Kush's early play. Reading everything more in depth now. I'm sorry you don't like my early play. Care to expand on that? I don't like your early play either, except I will tell you why: you are a lurker. It's been several hours since you said you read everything in depth, why not share your thoughts then? On September 28 2012 07:41 Stutters695 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 07:08 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Encouraging newbie towns to post is more important than typing out the same things I've said about lurker policy in XXVI and XXVII yet again: If we don't have a good scum case (lurker or active) by late d1, we lynch the most suspicious lurker. We should obviously be looking to avoid that scenario by scum hunting. That's really all that needs to be said as far as I'm concerned. Agreed but, regrettably, there isn't really anything else to talk about this early. To second his point about townies being active, don't get intimidated if you aren't really sure how to make a case and stop posting. Long cases aren't the only way to catch scum so if you feel overwhelmed sick around and ask questions. Demand answers for things you find wrong. Even if it doesn't directly catch a scum it provides insight into both you and the person you question. Silence allows the scum to hide very easily without having to do anything. This is your first post. Let me summarize: 1 theres nothing to talk about d1 2 townies should be active So you didn't actually give your lurker policy. 1 is just anti town. A lot of stuff has happened that you can talk about. 2 is just obvious beyond obvious. | ||
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On September 29 2012 02:27 Stutters695 wrote: Alright, here are my thoughts. Starting with this post (^). You have issues with reading or you're misrepresenting intentionally. I said "there isn't anything to talk about this early. As in the time of posting that what can we discuss except lurker and simple policy that has nothing to do with a case. Number two is obvious because you have played multiple games. Not everyone has. My first game I played like I described in my post and was dead weight. I was carried and simply posting more would have helped out with that. Even if it is completely obvious to everyone in the game it still was worth saying. It gave you something to accuse me with, which opens up discussion. Now onto your other case of misrepresenting (Full quote in spoiler for context, relevant part is immediately after). + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 00:35 kushm4sta wrote: Darthpunk 1 You ask people what they think of me, Then when they don't tell you the exact answer you want to hear, you accuse them of defending me. What you meant was agree with me about kush or I will FOS you. 2 Did anyone notice how I went from DEFINITELY SCUM to a "distraction" instantly and without reason? @darthpunk Why did you unvote me if you are certain I am scum? He explains his strategy: So why have you already FOSed 3 different people? 3 Darth's scumstrat is not so much to flame but to provoke. This is from the post in which he FOSes Alsn. Not even his most inflamatory statement but pay close attention to his tone in his posts. Specifically, "Savvy?" Condescending, intimidating, irritating. He wants you to get pissed. 4 @Darthpunk at the end of newbie 26, marv said scum's biggest mistake was not nightkilling me. So your supposition that scum would never nightkill me is in itself ridiculous. It was an indirect flame, suggesting I play bad, and that's all that post was. Can you show me where this happened? I checked the postgame from XXVI and it wasn't there. I checked the pregame for XXVII and it wasn't there. The closest I found was this post from Hapa that says they made the mistake of shooting kreb N2 because of the gut read Jacob had on you as town and that they couldn't kill Jacob, you and myself at once N3 to reduce the number of confirmed/near-confirmed. If this is the quote, it wasn't that your amazing play put you in such a confirmed town role that they should have shot you, its that Jacob (de-facto town leader) thought you were town. He isn't off the mark in saying that your play makes it so you don't get night-killed. If Jacob had been iffy about you I'd bet money Hapa wouldn't have said anything about scum shooting you. Instead of addressing why less than a day into the game you aren't worried about a nightkill you accuse him of flaming while misrepresenting previous games to avoid answering. This is so long it should be spoilered, but its impossible to do on my phone so I'm sorry for the clutter. So you write a lot here concerning that post game discussion I referred to. You may be right that hapa said it. To me there is no difference between them. He said mafia should have killed me because I was considered confirmed town. You sure do focus a lot on that though. That was definitly the least important part of my post. It's not a misrepresentation and I didn't make a big deal about it, unlike you. Why not address the body of the case? | ||
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I'm not really sure what aspects of darth's post you would like me to address. Clarify and I shall address them. Yeah it appears that I do make posts that do not benefit the scumhunt early game. However it does get people talking to maybe it benefits us more than you think? Optimal play probably not. It's just me having fun basically. My play gets better as time goes on, or at least I like to think it does. Why aren't I afraid of nk? Because scum nks the least suspicious person, most helpful person they can get away with. If scum nks me tonight that would be quite a stupid nk. People.ask.me.why I'm.afraid of nk... people ask me why I'm not afraid of.nk. I love bringing nk up lol. Again this is a response to a direct question. Personally I think mostly the time for fucking around has past. I will not discuss my desire for survival unless someone asks me about it. People.have a provlem with my jokes? It's extremely obvious to me which posts of mine should and should not be taken seriously. Why did I bait his fos? His threat pissed me off. If a guy threatens you, you have.to challenge him or you become his bitch. To clarify my case against darth. He isn't flaming but he trying to make people mad. You can tell.in every post where he foses.someone just by the tone of his prose. Savvy? that was.the example I used, but there are.plenty. more. Who even uses that word except in old.westerns when a figure of authority is talking down to a subordinate. | ||
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I.think people misunderstand.the nature of scumslips. I'm surprised that people who have been scum before don't realise this. Think of the scumslips you've made.They aren't obvious like that. I made plenty last game. So you don't think I was aggressive my second game? Read the post where drazzak foses me. I.flame quite bad there.if I remember.correctly. People.critisize me for not scumhunting. Well I identified my top scum read and his scummy behavior. My time is not infinite though and people keep asking me questions I have to answer. Would you prefer I ignore questions? | ||
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why do I have to assume darth isn't a choice? | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:29 Z-BosoN wrote: All right, I went through debears filter now, and I'm confident he is scum. Let's go through this more carefully now. His first post: First of all, his "I want town to win!!" post telling town to use their coaches. He then FoS's Kush, due to the fact that he's playing a similar game as the one he was scum. He says that DP + kush flame war is bad for the town, but doesn't attack Darthpunk, probably because he finds kush to be more scummy looking. Now, from a townie perspective, what does debear want? Information in order to lynch kush, as he pointed a FOS mostly based on a meta read. But suddenly, towards darthpunk: He is defensive towards kush. That's not how townies think. While I agree that DP is a bit overboard on kush, I don't agree that he failed to give arguments as to why he thinks that is so. A townie with a FOS on someone will want to deal with the arguments first. He doesn't do that, and suddenly becomes defensive on Kush. He says, later: He is more bothered by DPs certainty than by his actual arguments. Inconsistency #1. He then comes up with two cases. One against me, and one against Djoref: Notice the similarity between the two. He attacks us for asking questions (later on denies that they provide any discussion whatsoever), and falls into the same "semi-active lurker" category he's sniffing about. I will ignore the quality of his arguments, which I personally think are horrible, and will look more towards their similarity. From his case against me: From his case against Djoref: See the similarity, especially the bolded part? It seems that he has this "semi-active scum" cake recipe that he is using to sniff out scum. He also calls us out on our posting quality, in my case saying it is bad. I won't address his next post towards me because I've already done so, and because it doesn't increase his scumminess , as "bad cases =/= scum" (although it pisses me off). Anyways, now to the main stuff. He has a case against me and Djoref, for pretty much the same reasoning. Yet, check out what his next post on Djoref is: Wtf??? What ?? Where is his case against Djoref?? He goes from a scummy-looking sheep with one liners to a "townie who should pm marv for help"? Could he have forgotten that Djoref was one of his main suspicions? Inconsistency #2 Note that I no longer think that his defense of SDM is scummy. I've gone over that a few times and I admit that it can also come from a townie perspective. To summarize, here are the main inconsistencies in his play that scream to me SCUM: 1) He had a FOS on kush, then hurried on to defend him, in the manner I've shown above. I cannot fathom for the life of me having a FOS on someone and suddenly feel like I have to address an exaggeration on that person before I actually address the case. 2) He completely absolves Djoref for absolutely no reason. Townies do not throw around suspicions only to insta-drop them. 3) The other supporting arguments I've shown above. debears is SCUM! ##vote debears Hi z bozon. Inconsistencies do not make someone scum. Also it's quite funny how you are so certain this early in the game. To summarize this awesome post: your case is not strong. you are overconfident in your scumread. | ||
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its not that I don't give a fuck about this game. its that I don't give a fuck about not making "scumslips". what questions have I dodged? To need to ask me them with a.question mark apart from the rest of your text. The only question I see are what are other examples of savvy. I can't find them on my.phone. He fought with Alsn (allison?) though. Maybe you can look into that racquetball is lame. also you are.not excused cursing. | ||
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