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On September 18 2012 08:57 Blazinghand wrote: I think you're scum ##unvote ##vote: iamperfection Care to share why? | ||
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The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote: P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:36 Mementoss wrote: Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah. Believe it or not it did randomly come out as marv. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote: "you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:48 Blazinghand wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RPNf2.png) OK obviously this isn't an accurate representation of what you think, since it's more HOW people react that what their reaction is that determines scumminess (ie you could have a weak, well-reasoned reaction or a strong, well-reasoned reaction). The purpose of this chart is that you're framing your critique of these players wrong. The problem isn't that iamperfection reacted too strongly to my case, it's HOW he reacted too strongly. After lurking and being called out for it by me, after I've moved my vote off prplhz, THEN he strongly condemns my case (without really great reasoning) with swear words. This is why iamperfection's reaction is bad. it's not that he strongly disagrees with my case-- after all, you did as well-- it's HOW he agrees. it's phony. i could of just restated all of hapas reasoning but that would have been scummy 2 now wouldnt it. plus you asked me what my thoughts were on the case so what does you moving your vote off him so what does that have to do with anything. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote: Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. people that defend me frighten me. | ||
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On September 18 2012 21:46 marvellosity wrote: Rereading the thread, and I need to comment on this. Random lynch isn't coming in to the thread and going "let's lynch this guy." You should know this VERY WELL having seen how Palmar went about it; he proposes a methodical method where we all go to some website he set up or some shit and roll a RNG. The point of Palmar's random-lynch is that it is demonstrably random to the whole thread. Yours was not demonstrably random. I know it was so much better. Thanks for explaining your reasoning on why you were somewhat suprised about my actions at the start. It makes more sense now. ## Unvote | ||
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On September 18 2012 22:17 Ange777 wrote: How about you give your own scum reads iamperfection? Why so scared? The last 2 people that defended me were scum. They now im town so they defend me. | ||
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On September 18 2012 10:50 Zephirdd wrote: HEY GUYS Sorry it took you so long. So, are you familiar to the Zephirdd Rule®? This is how it works. "The person that thinks the bullshit from a first post to be scummy is almost certainly scum." Maybe my english here isn't perfect. Anyways, we had our pretty iamperfection throwing his random vote right? Yeah that's some bullshit. Then we got a series of responses from players all dismissing the random vote, but one of them rings my bells: This is the only player at that point that decided to use this random lynch as a reason to vote iamperfection(even if he doesn't actually vote him). So right now, my first reaction is that Hapahauli is trying to take them guitars from da band. ##Vote hapahauli This one is the most damning in my eyes. I thought with that post hapa was sor of joking back at me. In his eyes he uses as a basis to start his case but i think hapas stance there was more of just a throw away comment but he uses as a basis to start his case. so this should be a null tell in my eyes. On September 18 2012 11:52 Zephirdd wrote: let's look at this post for instance. This is a confirmation bias-kind of post, but it in no way means anything to IAMP's alignment. In fact, it is just another null tell. Yet for some odd reason that I can't think of, someone cursing at a case(made by BH of all people) is somehow over-the-top scummy See this is the issue here: Hapahauli finds something on IMP's post and thinks it's scummy. The funniest part of this all(that I just realized)? He never voted IMP! Even though he proposes imp's lynch twice(first after his random vote, then now by saying he is over-the-top scummy), he is set on mementoss. His reasoning is explained as mementoss being 'wishy-washy' on almost less evidence than BH himself! Finally, dismissing a case = defending the player. If you are going to dismiss a case, you either provide solid evidence(more than 'this case is bad because it is not researched enough' even though it had 3 months worth of research) or you show why the attacked player is townie. Oh and finally Is NOT at all part of my case. I never, EVER, mentioned that you voted him. I mentioned that you proposed that he is a good player to be lynched after his BS from the first-post(which in turn leads you to be eligible to the Zephirdd Rule). Who is not reading? The funny thing is he then attacks hapa for making a case on me on which he describes as a null tell. This guy is full of contradictions and bullshit. He misrepresents comments i think he is scum. On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote: tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you. How do you go from over-the-top scummy into 'leaning scum'? I am suggesting that you should push your scum read when you have a freaking scum read. Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here. Also i dont like this at all. He basically gives up here saying nothing is going to change his mind. Why is he not open to possibilites. I think its because he is scum he should have no information right now. If he was town he would consider all possibilities. ##Vote Zephirdd | ||
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On September 18 2012 23:22 mkfuba07 wrote: At the moment I'm opposed to voting for Zephirdd just because I think he really wants his "rule" to become a thing. Right now I think his case is full of confirmation biases (reminds me of my case on Z-BosoN from LVII). I don't think his case against Hapa has any merit, but I also don't feel that the case was scum-motivated. school out early? | ||
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On September 18 2012 23:41 Ange777 wrote: @iamperfection: Where is Zeph defending you? By saying hapa is scum for thinking i was scumy with my first post. Its his whole rule thing. | ||
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On September 19 2012 00:07 Ange777 wrote: Mementoss did defend iamperfection whereas Palmar simply gave him town cred for apparentely no reason. But iamperfection himself had commented on Mementoss' defense so of course I am asking for his stance on Mementoss. to me mementoss seemed to be more remarking just on person who would propose a random lynch in general. In my view Zephirdd is the better option because not only does he defend me he misrepresented hapas posts. On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote: Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. To me he was only stating a fact. | ||
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On September 19 2012 02:53 prplhz wrote: I voted you now didn't I? Really thats all you have to say? | ||
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On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote: I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate. Whats this? @mkfuba show no fear man stay in here. | ||
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thanks for the help What are you afraid of? Make a read. Basically you blame everyone else for your inability to not get a read. Its day one no read is going to be perfect and your indecisivness leads me to believe more and more that your scum. It seems like to me your just trying to lay groundwork for someone else to make a case because your to afraid to do it. | ||
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On September 19 2012 11:40 Zephirdd wrote: Also while I'm at it, what's your opinion on the following players imp? - Hapahauli - marvellosity - prplhz - mkfuba - blazinghand If you already gave a read on them, you can link me the post. You can also ask me anything specific if you want. i only like to give town reads when i think it will prevent a mis lynch otherwise its pointless in my eyes. So my current view is your scum and that mkfuba is terrible town. | ||
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On September 19 2012 12:03 Zephirdd wrote: Maybe you could elaborate on me being scum or try to actively push some discussion while I'm busy reading the thread, how about that? I'm barely on page 5. fair enough Palmar bugs me a lot with his last post. screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later ##vote marvellosity[/QUOTE] I want to him explain his thinking in leaving the thread after making that vote. I want more explanation on his thought process there. Also he promised he would come back so he better do it | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:47 Palmar wrote: Do you honestly think that this is a valid point? Should I just hold back my opinions because they don't match what's already going on? screw this, marv is scum. I'll prove it later ##vote marvellosity that was his quote. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote: I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv. ##vote: prplhz Blazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? Hey mementoss can you explain the bolded part, thanks. | ||
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On September 20 2012 03:04 Blazinghand wrote: It's amazing how prplhz only puts effort into this game when tons of people pressure him What should he have said nothing at all? stfu. | ||
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On September 20 2012 03:11 Blazinghand wrote: I'm amazed you've invested one of your precious few posts telling me to shut up this game. What prplhz should really have done is be scumhunting all day, rather than posting a massive text-wall defense 3 hours from the deadline. This should be pretty obviously what someone would do if they wanted to help town. No it looks like to me know that you must have some kind of extra informatioN.? Because ut seems like to me you just created a situation where there is no possibslity that prplhz is town. | ||
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## unvote ## vote austinmcc | ||
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On September 20 2012 04:17 Blazinghand wrote: Blazinghand's Ghetto Votecount: austinmcc ( 3 ) Marvellosity, mkfuba07, HiroPro marvellosity ( 2 ) Palmar, prplhz prplhz ( 5 ) Ange777, blazinghand, bluelightz, Mementoss, Zephirdd Zephirdd ( 1 ) iamperfection Mementoss (2) Austinmcc, Hapahauli Presently, no one is set to be lynched, because of an alarming headpant epidemic! 1.75 hours remain in Day 1 ! I changed my vote | ||
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On September 20 2012 04:21 Palmar wrote: I don't even understand this game anymore. Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses. mementoss is probably not scum. marv and austinmcc both have a good chance of being scum, but I feel considerably better about marv. It's also very strange how hard it is to get any kind of a train rolling against marv. I've already explained why this guy is the one that needs to hang today. Can we consolidate there, please? Why not consolidate on Austin if you think he is scum he has 4 votes | ||
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On September 20 2012 04:23 Ange777 wrote: @Iamperfection: Are you just completely in sheeping mode now?? Bear in mind you yourself said the following: So you'd rather sheep two players where you believe one of them to be a terrible player than vote on your own? And no, I'd rather lynch prplhz who still is my top scum read than Mementoss. Yes, he makes himself scummy but I am far more convinced by prplhz' being scum than Mementoss. It seems pretty reasonable to me I'm usable not unrobe when I think someone is town. So why wouldnt I. | ||
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On September 20 2012 04:22 Palmar wrote: also, looks like hiro and marv are both voting for austinmcc, which makes it less likely that he's scum at face value, although that's a very sketchy way to think about anything. Still, just confirms to me that it's not austin but marv we should be hanging tonight. Oh I didn't see that nvm | ||
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On September 20 2012 04:38 marvellosity wrote: sounds like some epic phone posting gone wrong You know me to well. I meant to say it is reasonable for me to follow my town reads because they are usually right | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:16 austinmcc wrote: Explain your vote if you are here I did you didn't like the explanation. And I'm starting to not like my explanation | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:26 Ange777 wrote: Seriously guys, where are you? It's half an hour till lynch and we still don't have a majority! I want to see the people who have their votes on austin answering my question: It's pure wifom | ||
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## Vote prplhz | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:58 prplhz wrote: i can't believe people aren't unvoting in face of mason claim my vigilante claim was a troll jesus christ the WTF WERE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT TO MESS UP THAT MUCH. | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote: Why are you ninja voting iamperfection??? Why did you think it was wierd that i was changing my vote? | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:42 Ange777 wrote: Because I don't understand your voting behaviour. When we were criticising you for sheeping with your town reads you were confident enough that they would find scum and only this made you actually vote yourself? so someone makes a vig claim and then someone makes a mason claim and your biggest question is why did iamperfection change his vote????????????? dont you think it was pretty obvious why i would change at that moment? | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:44 Ange777 wrote: I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now. how dare you | ||
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On September 20 2012 07:20 Hapahauli wrote: Oh geezus goddamn christ I misread your post. "liking austin more right now" = thinking austin is more townie as opposed to thinking austin is more scummy. Anywho, surprised marv sheeped me on that one. what you think of ange? | ||
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why dont you answer to marvs point he made here On September 20 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote: my problem with Palmar, actually, is that although his play has been similar in respects to NMM3, in others it has not. Like, he's pursued me and ragequit and been an arse in a general townie way, but look at this: Like genuine, constructive opinions on a number of players. Here we have "lol prplhz town you asses lol long post" and that's about it. also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out. | ||
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On September 21 2012 00:10 Blazinghand wrote: Well, I'm fairly sure Palmar actually opposed the prplhz wagon, since he was pushing to get you lynched, Marv. What the hell does that have to do with anything? Scum have the information advantage remember.......................................................................................... | ||
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On September 21 2012 00:13 Blazinghand wrote: you know what iamperfection I'm going to be uncharacteristically civil with you. try reading the rest of the post and the post after it. Basically, If Palmar had been putting in full Palmar effort in the case, it'd be a town-tell. Since his case and his defense of prplhz are not, it is not. So why dont you just straight up say what you think of palmar you seem to have played a lot of games with him stop being a tease and just tell us. | ||
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On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote: Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz". Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. I like how you didnt answer the question........ I was going crazy when the claims went out. I hold hapa in pretty high regard for both his scum play (although he lowerd himself a couple of pegs after that fiasco) so i thought they were both scum immediatly when i saw that. I just couldnt see hapa screwing up that much. To me your questioning of me at that point of time was scum motivated because i think all other town members should have thought that hapa and prphlz were scum. in regards to the bold You give me to much credit im not smart enough to hatch a scheme like that. | ||
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On September 21 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote: yeah I hope to god iamp is town, and basically agree with your read on him. He's not really very useful at all but I kinda enjoy his posts anyway. thanks? | ||
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On September 21 2012 09:01 austinmcc wrote: Hapa, mull this post over along with the timing. I think this is much more likely to be a genuine misunderstanding, but it's her response to iam when asked about her actions around the deadline. I found the answer she gave interesting. When asked about what was going through her head at deadline, she discusses iam's ninja vote 2 minutes before deadline. We know she was in thread because she posted with 3 minutes to go asking prplhz that question. With 2 minutes to go she picks up on iamperfection's vote --> watching thread. But then nothing, and either misinterprets or dodges the question from iam here. I saw this as well i think ange. would have much easiier time explaining her thinking if she was town. Like i said before i think all the other town member should have had red flares going up when they saw a botched claim like. Maybe im being unreasonable but i think her post there was more of pushing of an agenda instead of just explaining her thought process. I would have expected her to say something along the lines of i was confused or something along the lines of i didnt know wtf was going on. | ||
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On September 21 2012 09:24 Hapahauli wrote: "Overkill" in the sense that it was unnecessary. It's not like his case against prplzh was long either - it was just completely unnecessary considering the town atmosphere. There was a lot of suspicion on prplzh well in the open and posted by several players. Instead of just voting for prplzh/sinensis, he made it a point to really "justify" his vote and lay out is rationale by summarizing a bunch of other points against his target. is there a reason we can just ask bluelightz to explain his actions or would it be likely that he aint gonna give an answer regardless of his alignment? | ||
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I happily join you. | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:44 Ange777 wrote: I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now. she also never gave her read on fuba like she said she was going to do but i guess thats mute at this point. | ||
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On September 21 2012 10:16 marvellosity wrote: iamp, this isn't a test, did you think prplhz would flip scum right up to when he didn't? i thought he was town untill the fake claim screw up. | ||
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On September 21 2012 10:58 marvellosity wrote: yeah, that wasn't the question, but it doesn't matter so much now. ?????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him. iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player. As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me. This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive. IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either. The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions. And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess. I want to see what everyone has to say about ange. wtf is this. | ||
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On September 21 2012 11:53 marvellosity wrote: just bad actually how bad bad bad or scum bad | ||
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On September 21 2012 11:59 Zephirdd wrote: huuuh I guess I wasn't too straight with that post huh. ok. 1. The voting and the meta are no reasons to call IMP town. His latest posts during the night(questioning ange and stuff), however, are. 2. Ange is looking bad(aka likely scum) when reading all those cases you made. I think she has a decent chance to flip scum. I want to see what other players(Hiro, Bluez, Palmar, ...) have to say about Ange. Oh and I just realized I straight up contradicted myself on my post. So let me explain this. He was my main scum read, and when I tried to look up his filter in order to make a decent case, I changed my mind. I didn't change the first sentences of that post though. Sorry. so who is you main scum read then? | ||
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On September 21 2012 12:06 Zephirdd wrote: I like my zephirdd rule T_T and I like to be more thinky on day 2. Turns out I don't like my main scum read anymore and the one that has a shitton of evidence on her head looked green to me during day 1. It's not that easy to chew all of this. Logically everything you made make sense and I can't deny. I just need some time to absorb it. Also I'm compiling a list of people's relations to Ange to hold them accountable. maybe I should do that about mkfuba too, but I guess anything people said could be at most a null tell since so many people seem to have thought mkfuba was scum. Well, let's see what I find seems like you want to hold everone accountable except yourself. ill come back to this in the morning. @ange | ||
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On September 21 2012 22:32 Palmar wrote: So let's say Ange gets lynched and flips town, are you going to try and lynch me for being useless. I don't think there's enough dumb players in this game. In fact, connecting an unrevealed lynch like that to me somehow is just reinforcing my belief that you should die today. You're basically already planning for the next move after Ange gets mislynched. Fuck that, I'm not allowing you to do that. ##Vote marvellosity @Restoftown: Here's a very simple reason for this vote. Marv just made a post where he's planning on how to proceed in the game without considering the results of his current plan right now, which is indicative of him having additional information that we don't have, ie already knowing how an Ange lynch will end. didnt zeph do the same thing with regards to me in planning for the next day? | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:23 Ange777 wrote: GG scum  Especially well played by Keir!!!I've never been nightkilled before, observing the game from the sidelines was somehow really frustrating especially with the low activity. I don't know if I'd have been able to catch both scum but I'm sure that at least I'd have been able to push for more activity ^^ It was sad that I had started to give my first better read on Zeph and not on another player, maybe that would have been more useful My vote isnt going anywhere. That was from gsl open mini at the end of the game. She should have said a lot more with this much suspicion on her. | ||
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On September 22 2012 05:38 Mementoss wrote: zzzzzzzzzzzzz ange's last post 29 hours ago. Before the suspicion on her the longest she was inactive from this game was about 13 hours. should we alert the authorties? get search teams together? | ||
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On September 22 2012 09:01 Ange777 wrote: Read on you before was null/town. Now it's town. Current read on Mementoss is scummy. He accuses me of only making a case on a player who was already under suspicion from a lot of players. Same can be said for him. And I don't think his case has any merit, it seems more like his quote can be applied to him as well. Especially the Smiley part of his case is just ridiculous. I can't get the thought out of my head that he is simply looking for things in my filter that he can turn scummy like the smiley. To be honest, I have not read through the latest pages that closely (it really is late) and I would like to re-read them before making my choice. But if I can't pick Palmar (I wouldn't lynch marv, I still have a nullish read on him) it would be one of Mementoss or iamperfection. Mementoss for this absolutely weird case and iamperfection for not contributing at all until being called out by me. Tallest mountain? iamperfection. Most wildlife? Zeph I don't know if you want to hear about my real life issues ... if it helps I was excessively inactive in Newbie Mafia XV and I was town. read the thread | ||
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On September 21 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote: Leader of da Band ![[image loading]](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/26900547/James+Hetfield+James+Seattle.jpg) James Hetfield - One of the greatest frontmen of all time Sup I'm the leader of da band. When I initially got this role my strategy was to wait until night 3 to shoot, because that is when I always die and I confirmed the shot would still go through. I wanted to do this because I thought it would increase my odds a lot to hit scum. Night 1 Odds 1/11 ( 1 Dead 1 Me) Night 2 Odds 1/8 (4 Dead 1 me) Night 3 Odds 1/5 (7 dead 1 me) But this relied on too much assumptions. Not ever lynching scum, not getting role blocked, mafia shots going through ever night etc. Why I decided to shoot tonight: Well I felt quiet a bit of pressure throughout a lot of day 1 from probably 4ish players. Throughout the night phase people were still discussing their reads on me and I didn't really like that. Not because I thought I would be lynched day 2, but because I think it wastes a lot of potential time hunting actual scum. Also, I thought my shot could give a solid stance on the person I shot and time wouldn't be wasted on discussing their lynch. Basically to get town on good track to a scum lynch day 2. How I decided who to shoot and who I shot: Who I Couldn't shoot: Marv Palmar Hapa BH Why? Pretty simple, I don't want my shot to stack and they are pretty popular targets tonight imo. So that limits it down a little. Too null to shoot: Ange IamPerfection Zephridd Too null for me to shoot. In Ange's case I think she can be really useful to the town if shes town, and if shes scum I think we will have enough posts to analyse to take her down. I actually considered shooting Iamperfection, just for the fact that I don't want his random shit around anymore I don't want him around at lylo situation. But I decided against it, despite what people say I still think he wouldn't quiet have the balls to bring that much attention to himself as a noob scum. Zephridd is same case as Ange, I think if hes scum he posts enough that he will fuck up and we can lynch him. Who I really considered shooting in order of most to least: MKFuba HiroPro BL MKfuba, though slightly more active than the other 2 has really caught my eye as scummy from his starting post. Throughout his filter he seems scared to post anything and delays on posting. He picks out easy things to post about. He would likely be part of the day 2 discussion at least in my mind. Hiro, always a hard motherfucker to read imo. I went through his filter and everything seems genuine he's doing his own thing and seems open and honest, glad I read his filter because Im leaning a bit town on him. Bluelightz, from what I've heard you don't really want him around at lylo and his case on me was bad, and I don't think hes going to be able to convince anyone of scum with cases like that. His meta apparently shows that hes more sure and critical as scum and more unsure as town. He seemed unsure on my case but on the prplhz case he seemed really aggressive and very critical and sure. He also has been lurking the hardest so the shot wouldn't be wasted. In the end I went with my gut and shot MKFuba. Now at least tomorrow will be productive I will be confirmed and scumkfuba will be out of the game. If my shot doesn't go through: I was either a) roleblocked, which I will be notified of and its fine, other than it makes me look more scummier than ever or b) I hit SK. If my shot doesnt go through and I was not notified of being role blocked. The lynch 100% needs to be on Mk to kill off the SK who chose night immunity. Thats all folks, my first time being vig and it was pressureful. I hope I hit scum, but at the very least, I hope this will help propel day 2 into an ideal scum hunting atmosphere and a fresh start to the game. TLDR I SHOT MKFUBA Kicked out of the band I googled scum mkfuba and this picture came up + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/C5Z80.jpg) Not sure what it means though. he is this or sk only possiblity. | ||
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On September 22 2012 09:04 Ange777 wrote: Wasn't scum KP 2? what? | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:23 Ange777 wrote: GG scum Especially well played by Keir!!!I've never been nightkilled before, observing the game from the sidelines was somehow really frustrating especially with the low activity. I don't know if I'd have been able to catch both scum but I'm sure that at least I'd have been able to push for more activity ^^ It was sad that I had started to give my first better read on Zeph and not on another player, maybe that would have been more useful keep that in mind when you come back. | ||
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On September 22 2012 09:26 austinmcc wrote: The read on mementoss is null. You could not have caught up from either alignment. None of the stuff you answered was on the same page as his claim, so you may very well not have seen it. The day post WAS on that page, but again that doesn't really come out one way or the other. The answer about your read on me is...not an answer. I was wondering just based off the two scummy posts I have, what your read would be. Happy you've got the correct read on me, but I'm unsure exactly when and why it went from null/town to town. Care to give the reasoning behind it? I know it's kind of nitpicky and technical, but my vote is staying on you because of that deadline conduct. I really find it weird that you'd ask about the mason claim, then do nothing when it was clear they were claiming masons. If you thought iamperfection's vote swap was funny, that would mean you thought the whole scum team revealed themselves in like...2 minutes (:56 was the claims, :58 was iamperfection's vote iirc). Then you're so convinced he'll flip red, despite asking whether prplhz confirmed the mason claim. IF he did, you still voted him. IF he didn't, you had no reason to unvote him because of how they screwed up the claim. So...you were going to lynch him whether he claimed mason or not. I'm still mulling over your mountain answers. May I ask why iamperfection for tallest mountain? i think i know the answer but you go first ange. gogogogo | ||
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On September 22 2012 12:25 Zephirdd wrote: hey I am a mountain with wildlife. Al them girls say that ehll yea drunk, partyime. somehow ange's lynch feelss worng. guys please kill palm hes useless so you come in here and saw we should lynch palmer. And yet you just acted like palmer has this game............. wtf if somebody thinks we shouldnt lynch ange i want a god damn explantion. She comes in here saying her top two reads are me and mementos. From my point of view she gave absouloutley no read what so ever and i think that was the purpose of her post to feign contribution while giving no reads in the likely event she gets lynched. When she flips scum it would all intent and puproses make me almost confirmed town. Thats why she came in here and posted like she did she wants to leave the town with nothing. I think its complete bs that she didnt see mementoss post. | ||
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On September 22 2012 20:13 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit that post was offensive. Sorry ange. On another note, many things ange has done make sense to me. For example, its reasonable to think that she thought your voting was a way to get towncred by doing something so stupid that scum would never do(thnk of Risen on liii). This and palmar defending her. If she flips green it puts this itolduso face on him and will cause even more confusion regarding the thread. Palmar has been useles and me and marv provided enough reasons to kill him already. Now to fix my hangover... speaking of offensive posts why dont we take another look at this gem. On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him. iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player. As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me. This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive. IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either. The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions. And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess. I want to see what everyone has to say about ange. You see to have an obsession with trying to make links between players without them having even flipped scum. Ange take another look at this post and tell me what you think please. And once again your points about me make no sense last time i checked i am not risen. And just to be toally transparent my top scum reads are you, ange and palmer. | ||
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On September 23 2012 03:22 austinmcc wrote: Oh I've pretty much come around on palmar being scum. But your worries about him wreaking havoc seem pretty unfounded. Also, if Ange flips town I'll actually still be town. If you think he is scum why not vote for him? | ||
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On September 23 2012 06:26 Mementoss wrote: A lil wifom, remember Hiro made his first case on GK (Palmar) and Palmar was pushing Hiro pretty hard before he died. not sure what I make of this. Now we have a little context on this. BH last words. He must been right about more than 1 in his top 4 to die because honestly he was pretty wrong on prplhz and didn't contribute that much after that fact. to be fair bh had no extra information and we now know that palmar is scum. And kind unfortunatly bh gave bluelightz almost a free pass to do whatever he wants if he is scum. | ||
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On September 23 2012 06:41 Hapahauli wrote: Guys guys guys. Guys. Bluelightz? Still think he's scum, can someone comment on this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=59#1171 Also: its hard to say but the unvote from palmar to ange has absolutley no reason for it unless he can predict the future. | ||
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On September 23 2012 06:49 austinmcc wrote: (1) hooray (2) still not scum is it ok if we dont take your word for it? | ||
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On September 23 2012 02:33 ghost_403 wrote: V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT: Ange777 ( 5 ) austinmcc, bluelightz, Hapahauli, HiroPro, iamperfection marvellosity ( 1 ) Palmar Palmar ( 4 ) Ange777, Marvellosity, Mementoss, Zephirdd With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! Presently, no one is set to be lynched! 3.5 hours remain in Day 2! @ hapa i think palmar was counting on me, you and mementoss not switching our votes. I think this would imply that ange is likely town. I said at one point i wasent going to switch my vote so it leads me to believe that he was counting on it. Also like we have stated i think the suspicion on ange was founded so i think he was counting on an ange mis lynch. He would have counted on that and it leads me to believe the final 2 scum are within austin blue and hiropro. I think that is the most likely conclusion. | ||
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On September 23 2012 22:53 austinmcc wrote: I still think ange is scum, that's independent of palmar. I think the question about confirming the mason claim + not responding to that at all + seemingly lynching whether they claimed mason or not = scum in my mind. The rest is all super hypothetical, but I'll spew some nonsense. I'm assuming 3 scum no SK at this point, that's "most likely" afaik. Thoughts: Ange's response to my mountain question was really cagey. When grush has responded, he's tended to follow a pattern of "what is the equivalent of that descriptor in mafia terms (tallest = what in mafia game?, like that), and then answer based off of what he thinks a descriptor means in terms of mafia. Sometimes he's failed to answer, but still provided the reasoning for what he thinks a descriptor means. Ange's answer was just names. THIS IS NOT A GOOD REASON TO LYNCH SOMEONE OR FIND SOMEONE SCUMMY. BUT, I can't help but interpret her answer. The short, cagey answers make me worried. No reasoning, no explanation, no nothing. Ange hasn't played in either of the games I've asked grush similar questions. I haven't explained why I ask those questions. Her answers, as I see them, show that she doesn't want to reveal her hand at all, and just gives names. I worry about that, and the fact that she does so makes me think that IF she's scum, then the remaining scum (assuming 3) is someone who HAS played in PTP3 or LVII, or at the very least obsed them (If I got those questions from someone, I'd have no clue why they were asking. Ange didn't play in either of those games. Ange should find those questions VERY ODD. She answered them, which to me indicates that someone in QT told her about that stupid questions I've been asking Grush). Therefore, IF scumange, THEN scumsomeonewhoplayedinoneofthose games, leading me to sort of discard bluelightz as scum (I believe iamperfection, marv, hiro, zephir all played in or read those games). Another ange thought, her response to votes when she came back was very long, very thorough, pretty well thought out. Gut read - that post was crafted, and someone with at least a little experience in playing scum helped shape that in QT. That doesn't really get me anything though as I know palmar was alive at the point that answer was crafted, so ange's post doesn't necessarily give away anything about the 3rd scum if 3 scum. I need to fully reread Hiro. I just lynched him for being off/less active in PTP3 than I remembered him in town games. That's the reasoning we have for the lynch here. I'm going to be hesitant to lynch on that reasoning (or loosely on that reasoning) when I mislynched on the same grounds last game. So I need to figure out where I went wrong, and see what Hiro shakes out this game. I have a mild townread on Hiro based on that Palmar entrance comment, so right now I would NOT put him as my third scum. That leaves...marv, zephir, you (bluelightz is out based on mountain answer, hiro out atm). For NOW, the most likely scenario is NOT marv. marv would normally not get too much cred from me for his read on palmar. but the rb helps craft a better marv town/palmar scum story, and I'll go with it for now. Since you asked it "most likely," I've got to admit that holding the rb and marv claiming it is less likely than marv town. I think it's absolutely plausible that they'd play games with the rb, but certainly not 50+% likely. Also, like I noted at the end of N1, marv/ange interactions D1 were maybe a little wonky. Guh, I really seem to want to make marv scummy here, but no. Most likely town. So now I've got zephirdd, iamperfection for 3rd scum (still assuming 3). Right at the moment I don't have a preference between those two? Off the top of my head zephir has felt scummier I guess? I'd need to look harder at the two of you. That answer for third scum sucks, but it's what I have right at this moment. There's the rest of my thoughts on a couple players though. I think your making a big stretch there and making a lot of assumptions. I think palmars whole plan was to have mis lynch on ange then probally dominate the town conversation from then on forward. A green flip i think would have caused a lot of confusion i think and the marv palmar fighting would just continue giving palmar more time to push further agendas. So im 99% certian ange is town. | ||
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On September 23 2012 23:35 austinmcc wrote: The response to the mountain question doesn't lead to any kind of strong read, but that's where my thoughts go based on her answer. I would ask, however, why, if Palmar's plan was to have a mis lynch on ange, he wouldn't vote ange. Is your line of thinking "Palmar knows town finds he scummy, therefore he calls ange town, hoping people will lynch her harder because she's got a townread from Palmar?" That's ALSO pretty tenuous. I'm not sure how you're interpreting Palmar's actions to yield that plan. he cant vote ange that would be the whole point. | ||
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On September 23 2012 23:53 austinmcc wrote: So then what do you make of the end of D2? We had ange wagon, palmar wagon, and then hiro swap towards the end. If you have a hard time thinking we had two wagons on scum, do you feel that hiro is townie? I have to reasses things if your town. I think you have defended yourself fairly well and i see how you can think the things you are thinking if you are town I do think hiro is full of shit though. i think if i was under that much pressure as he was twoards the end i would dump as many reads as i can and i would probally troll the shit out of hapa and mementoss if i was in the same situation. | ||
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On September 24 2012 04:48 HiroPro wrote: ange is scum. I don't care enough to figure out who else is. And not like you're going to listen to me anyway lol. are you fucking serious. | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:25 Hapahauli wrote: Thoughts on the NK marv? Pretty strange one that is. they thought the defense was real good maybe? | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote: \erm, fucking useful? literally i don't know how to speculate when they had you, confirmed town to hit, and Mementoss, semi-confirmed town to hit, or me to hit. I don't understand it at all actually. Trying to discredit me? Let me go a little austin on you for a moment - Mementoss is SK, I blocked scum hit and Mementoss hit austin. Before you all shout at me, I agree that's pretty fucking unlikely, but yeah. I'm only mentioning it because I don't understand the kill at all. ...............................................and you just yelled at hapa | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote: erm, fucking useful? literally i don't know how to speculate when they had you, confirmed town to hit, and Mementoss, semi-confirmed town to hit, or me to hit. I don't understand it at all actually. Trying to discredit me? Let me go a little austin on you for a moment - Mementoss is SK, I blocked scum hit and Mementoss hit austin. Before you all shout at me, I agree that's pretty fucking unlikely, but yeah. I'm only mentioning it because I don't understand the kill at all. | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:34 HiroPro wrote: marv is the SK. he slipped. he slipped but in another way. | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:36 HiroPro wrote: no that's what he wants you to think. ## vote Hiropro get out | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:38 HiroPro wrote: /yawn expected alright explain how marv is the sk? i think i can wait till the end of time for that answer. | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:48 HiroPro wrote: ooh a jk breadcrumb. cooooooollllll. i know who it is now. oh oh oh oh oh oh. but yeah you guys should lynch mementoss..... i see what you did there make us think your the last scum and mementoss is the sk? | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:55 marvellosity wrote: Anyone fancy moving this day to 24h? still would like ange and blue to both get back in here. | ||
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On September 19 2012 11:39 HiroPro wrote: You consider this scummy from bluelightz? Knowing him, I'd be more concerned if he was actually trying to look useful. On September 22 2012 03:06 HiroPro wrote: What Palmar stuff? All I see is him still saying stuff without giving reasons for any of it. He's scum. Bluelightz is pretty null. I don't see anything scummy about him not sharing his town reads outright. And the "overkill" point isn't very good. Bluelightz just honestly posts weird. These were the posts that hiro made in reference to bluelightz. I would characterize them as him defending him or giving a null read. Don't really know what that means but he does defend him. Although it does give a platform for bluelightz to do whatever he wants. | ||
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On September 24 2012 07:53 HiroPro wrote: When I didn't post because you guys seemed to have caught two scum and I was good with that, you said I was scum cause I didn't care. Now I'm actually trying to help cause I've realized what you guys haven't and now you're calling me scum again for posting??? when you come back give a detailed read on me zeph ange and blue please. | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:11 HiroPro wrote: Zeph wake up and smell the coffee. Mementoss is a serial killer. So why in the hell are you voting for me, when I'm a townie? if you keep harping about an sk we have no reason not to lynch you stop it. | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:12 HiroPro wrote: no clue what bluelightz is. ange is scum for reasons that people (austin) already said. zeph, I dunno, I don't read what he writes. ya your not helping. | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:12 HiroPro wrote: no clue what bluelightz is. ange is scum for reasons that people (austin) already said. zeph, I dunno, I don't read what he writes. hapa your buying this crap? | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:22 Hapahauli wrote: Well I think they're both scum lol. My vote could be on either for all I care. ##Unvote ##Vote HiroPro (I love being able to say that without people being suspicious of me =D) we can still make fun of it for you after the game. Mason claim never forget. I will remember that until the day i die. | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:31 Hapahauli wrote: But back to scum #3, is there anyone that actually thinks that Ange could flip town after this? we should let her explain in detail like she said. | ||
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On September 24 2012 09:43 Mementoss wrote: dat night kill. Don't really understand it. Didn't have time to post before the nights end. Only thing I was going to say was if 2 people died, then marv is probably SK. Still possible. But less likely. If 2 people woulda died it woulda meant this most likely. N1 I shot mkfuba, Mafia shot Marv (who chose to be night immune), and Marv shot BH. I think I'm missing something here. N1 Marv claimed to be roleblocked. N2 Hapa claimed to be roleblocked. By these facts it's pretty likely town has a jailkeeper. (since we killed palmar the mafia roleblocker.) Except this is really weird because why wasn't Palmar's RB ever claimed for night 1? But yeah its pretty fucking strange that Hapa (Mason), Mementoss (Vigi), and Marv (took down Palmar) are still alive. Is it possible that SKs shot was blocked or stopped night 1 and now SK is withholding their shots because: a) After night 1, it seemed to be pretty established that there was probably no SK b) To make me look bad. Not sure, just food for thought for now. Austin was the strongest pusher of Ange left and he died. BH was planning on going after Ange and he died. Palmar called Ange town before he died. WIFOM. I'm going to really have to re-check the filters this cycle. marv was most likely role blocked by palmar. | ||
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On September 24 2012 22:31 marvellosity wrote: Put it this way, we just lynched Palmar for not contributing or caring for town. Hiro is in a similar boat. Who do you think will be next? psst bluelightz hes suggesting your next. | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:12 HiroPro wrote: no clue what bluelightz is. ange is scum for reasons that people (austin) already said. zeph, I dunno, I don't read what he writes. @ memen. Why the hell would town hiropro make this post. He is tunneling on sk just so he dosent have to give any other reads. | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:15 Mementoss wrote: Alright, I just didn't think that Zephridd and Hiro could be scum together was the main reason why I thought hiro might be town because I was more confident in my read on Zephridd. Cause I didn't think Zephridd would go from one Bus to the other Bus. I think IAMperfection has been given a free ride almost as much as Zephridd and would like some updated discussion regarding his alignment. I don't have time ATM, but I think we need to use today for more than vote hiro, incase hiro flips town. ask your questions and i will answer. | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:18 Mementoss wrote: Its definitively not townie, but you could pull up similar posts on a lot of townies, that are just lazy. And now hiro is in full tilt mode. But there is a good chance he can flip scum fore sure. Im just saying there is also a really good chance zephridd is scum. i dont see why your worried but the points you make about zeph would confirm my theory that ange is town if true. i think it still fits a hiropro scum. | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:42 Bluelightz wrote: *Raises hand* Yeah, I'm gonna go serious mode then probably  .There is no time like the present my friend. | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:47 Bluelightz wrote: First up I guess, How did Hapa get roleblocked if the roleblocker (Hey Palmar!) got lynched? that was not encouraging | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:52 Zephirdd wrote: Because marvellosity claimed jailer. Are you seriously attacking the confirmed mason? >_> uh no lol | ||
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On September 25 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote: Now I've done my scumhunting bit: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u740E.jpg) well there goes his case against you now. | ||
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On September 25 2012 20:22 marvellosity wrote: Guys, don't get lazy. Comment on what I had to say about Ange. Well it kind of hinges on how much she looked at hiro those first days. I could see a scenario where she didn't take that hard of a look as town. From my own perspective players come and go from my radar so maybe hiro wasen't on her radar and she didn't consider him that much. | ||
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On September 26 2012 07:22 Hapahauli wrote: For everyone not-confirmed town (Ange777, Zephirdd, iamperfection, Bluelightz), make sure you post your reads on each of the other players. The more open you are, the better chance we'll have of nailing the last scum tomorrow. as of right now i'm inclined to think bluelightz is town. The grilling he took and his responses seem like they are honest. That leaves Zeph and ange Marv made a case on ange but like i said before i think it is possible she could have reached the conclusion she did as town. Zeph post he made here and response was to simply say it was a bad post On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him. iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player. As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me. This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive. IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either. The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions. And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess. I want to see what everyone has to say about ange. This post just bugs me so much because i don't think in that way. I feel you can only make connections when someone has flipped scum. Along with comparing me to players im not (which really bugged me by the way) i just dont see town mentality behind that post and i think it was a post more designed to help position himself after an ange mis-lynch. So if you ask me right now i would say zeph is the final scum. but I'm open for more discussion. | ||
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@ ange and zeph http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFxmAdyKcg | ||
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On September 26 2012 22:05 Zephirdd wrote: hmmm so you're the SK? >_>" My reads so far are.. Ange - town that people are shitting on. Everything she has done so far can exist from a town perspective. Zephirdd - Fucking towniest guy ever iamperfection - he was terrible day 1, looked better day 2. To be honest, his play makes some sense from a SK perspective: Blazinghand was a nobrainer shot, and he had a town read on austin closer to the end of the day - SK's usually want town mislynches dead when they think a scum catch is more likely the next day. austin was about to be mislynched, and I see no reason for scum to kill him, but that seems plausible for a SK to do. Bluelightz - scum by process of elimination. I don't think ange is scum, I don't think IMP is mafia. what do you guys think of this possibility? I'm trying to avoid the general mindset here, because I think Ange isn't as bad as make her out to be. you ruined my joke | ||
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On September 26 2012 22:09 Zephirdd wrote: what makes you think that you are on position of 'waiting'? -_- hapa said so. can you elaborate more on why you think im sk? | ||
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On September 26 2012 22:19 Zephirdd wrote: Day 2, after the choice of mindset, you became much more townie. It doesn't help that you were sure austin was scum and, by the time he becomes "townie" for you, he dies. Can you elaborate on this please. as in wtf are you trying to say. | ||
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On September 27 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote: no, it should seem a lot MORE likely from your perspective. Presuming you're vigi, you know you're telling the truth, and the setup is: VJMMTTT = 3mafia + SK that cant be right. | ||
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On September 27 2012 00:14 marvellosity wrote: it's on the C9 setup page linked in the OP well then im confused because im a regular townie | ||
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On September 27 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote: VJMM is Mementoss/me/prplhz/Hapa, the rest of the townies would be VTs 3 townies flipped | ||
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On September 27 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote: The C9 setup is made by rolling 7 numbers, but 7 isn't the total number of townies oh lol | ||
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gg remember me by my music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5W7RrBftiY | ||
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how did it happen hapa? | ||
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On September 24 2012 10:24 HiroPro wrote: TIME STAMPSSSS!!!!! by way i just lost it at this post. Thought it was one of the funniest things ever. | ||
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