no blinders at all. In fact I've basically done everything I can to strip away interactions he's had with *me* and concentrated mostly on interactions he's had elsewhere. For example:

1) posting largely unexplained lists, as he does as scum
2) calling one of the main wagons town, but never ever explaining why he's town and letting him get lynched
3) afking for the lynch, again doing nothing to save his town read
4) not voting for his other scumread on contradictory reasons as *someone else* pointed out.
5) calling Hiro scum without ever giving any reasons

This is nothing to do with any blinkers I have, dear.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 20:59 GMT

#872

I remember iamperfection being quite cautious as scum in his newbie game. I was scum coach that game and he sought affirmation a lot for what he was going to post.

He's not a newbie anymore but his brashness seems to be the polar opposite of that.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 21:37 GMT

#895

I was roleblocked

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 21:39 GMT

#897

On September 21 2012 06:38 Palmar wrote:
I believe mementoss's claim and I think it's way too bold for an SK to do that on day 1.

If you weren't to lynch me today, who would you lynch and why?

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 21:43 GMT

#900

On September 21 2012 06:42 Palmar wrote:
HiroPro.

Would you agree on lynching him?

I don't have the time to write up a case now, but because mostly of weak presence and strange things I've noticed about him.

No, I don't want to lynch HiroPro for reasons I elaborated on shortly before the deadline.

I do agree with you about the weak presence, though. Please write up a case as soon as you can this cycle as for obvious reasons it will affect my read on you.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 21:55 GMT

#901

god, BH's reply on BL was so fucking unsatisfying :<

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 22:02 GMT

#902

The towniest thing about Palmar at the moment is that he's keeping his cool and not engaging in "you're bad" with me. It's something he does constantly in his scum games, and it's something I've been trying to draw out of him, pretty largely without success.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 22:19 GMT

#905

I'm going to have to refilter, maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow.

I understand why you're voting for Bluelightz, but I'm finding it really hard to feel enthusiastic about wanting to lynch him, but I'll look at him again and see what I can glean.

I'm going to have a hard look at austin again. I know it looks like he suddenly started contributing tonnes, but I know he'd be capable of doing that out of necessity if he needed to. His extremely long absence still doesn't sit well with me, despite what came after. And his comments like "if I were scum, I'd be caught for doing weird setup shit (paraphrasing), not what I'm doing now!"

Honestly I'm finding it superhard to envisage THREE scum right now (or 2/1, whatever).

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 22:31 GMT

#907

yeah I hope to god iamp is town, and basically agree with your read on him. He's not really very useful at all but I kinda enjoy his posts anyway.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 22:33 GMT

#908

Hapa, just because it came to mind - what do you make of Ange quizzing iamperfection about his vote around the time of the lynch / dumb claims?

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 22:36 GMT

#910

no problem cutie.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 23:04 GMT

#912

On September 21 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's pretty strange, given that ange herself was active in the thread during the whole mason-claim fiasco. However, there's just too much overall effort in her posting for me to give her a scumread, despite her relentless tunneling of prplzh. She was never afraid to comment in detail on other cases (Palmar's case on marv), and as far as I'm concerned, was the only player in the thread to have decent rationale for voting him.

Ok. Agree on your bold point quite a bit actually. Normally if scum decide to tunnel someone to look like they're contributing, that's all they do.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 23:23 GMT

#914

can't tell you right now i'm afraid, gonna have to reread properly first.

leaning townish/null/scummish.

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 23:43 GMT

#917

[QUOTE]On September 21 2012 08:25 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 21 2012 08:04 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 21 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:
[QUOTE]On September 21 2012 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa, just because it came to mind - what do you make of Ange quizzing iamperfection about his vote around the time of the lynch / dumb claims?[/QUOTE]

It's pretty strange, given that ange herself was active in the thread during the whole mason-claim fiasco. However, there's just too much overall effort in her posting for me to give her a scumread, despite her relentless tunneling of prplzh. She was never afraid to comment in detail on other cases (Palmar's case on marv), and as far as I'm concerned, was the only player in the thread to have decent rationale for voting him. [/QUOTE]

Ok. Agree on your bold point quite a bit actually. Normally if scum decide to tunnel someone to look like they're contributing, that's all they do.
[/QUOTE]

Wanted to comment on this, because this is exactly what Bluelightz has been doing.

The more I read through his meta, the more differences in mentality I see between this game and his townie games. Townie bluelightz likes looking for... for lack of better words... "townie idiosyncrasies." He finds little things that makes people townie/null/not-scum/whatever and it really influences his voting process. This gives other people the impression that he's a crazy/wild player due to his mentality.

But when you look at this game, he's built two big cases against players. He's never declared a townie read, and he's been fairly tunnel-y. Look how clean his play is. Does that look like the wild townie Bluelightz "capable of doing anything" that you know?[/QUOTE

As you keep banging on about him, I decided to go back for myself at Normal Mini Mafia II.

And the large problem I came across is that he was quite the opposite there. In fact I was somewhat shocked to see how involved he 'seemed'. If you want me to dig up examples I will, but I think his 'tunnelyness' here is more akin to, say GSL where he basically stuck on vader for two days, than NMM2, where he was on drwiggles, VE, Sinensis, and with other interactions besides.

What say you?

marvellosity

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September 20 2012 23:55 GMT

#922

You're ignoring my characterisation of his scumplay in NMM2, though, which is more pertinent.

marvellosity

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September 21 2012 00:21 GMT

#927

Why do you say it was overkill? It wasn't that long.

The one thing I noticed, actually, was that he opened both the Sinensis and prplhz cases here up with

Case

I find that kinda interesting. But obviously it's not very strong. Quickly browsing through GSL/NMM3 I don't see him doing that there.

marvellosity

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September 21 2012 00:30 GMT

#931

On September 21 2012 09:24 Hapahauli wrote:

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"Overkill" in the sense that it was unnecessary. It's not like his case against prplzh was long either - it was just completely unnecessary considering the town atmosphere. There was a lot of suspicion on prplzh well in the open and posted by several players.

Instead of just voting for prplzh/sinensis, he made it a point to really "justify" his vote and lay out is rationale by summarizing a bunch of other points against his target.

yeah, i don't see a problem in rationalising your vote, but I do see where you're coming from. Hmm. I am still musing on this "case" thing though. I wonder if it's like he subconsciously needs to announce that's what it is, whereas he doesn't in townie games. Or if I'm completely making a mountain out of a molehill.