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On September 23 2012 06:26 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 06:22 Hapahauli wrote: I think we have our scumteam somewhere in Hiro, Ange, Bluelightz. A lil wifom, remember Hiro made his first case on GK (Palmar) and Palmar was pushing Hiro pretty hard before he died. not sure what I make of this. Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: Bluelightz isn't scummy, he's Bluelightz. If you attack him, be prepared for non-responsiveness and random shitty defense posts at the last minute, whether he's town or scum.
Iamperfection is active and aggressive enough that I no longer consider him a top scumread. I've seen him play poorly before as town so this is reasonable to say.
My current list of people I'll be pressuring going into D1 if I'm alive (which I probably will be, unless something weird happens):
HiroPro Mkfuba07 Ange777 Palmar
The first two because they're scum, the second two because they should be good scumhunters, better than they are this game
Also marv like ange and plam
peace Now we have a little context on this. BH last words. He must been right about more than 1 in his top 4 to die because honestly he was pretty wrong on prplhz and didn't contribute that much after that fact. to be fair bh had no extra information and we now know that palmar is scum. And kind unfortunatly bh gave bluelightz almost a free pass to do whatever he wants if he is scum.
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On September 23 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote: My best bet atm is Hiro/austin
Yeah re-read the last minute when we wanted to lynch Hiro, I think austin knew there wasn't enough people to kill Hiro so thats why he was stubborn on staying on ange. He knew bluelightz and ange wouldn't be around. And you weren't around. He probably woulda expected people to come back to voting ange and never woulda expected that switch onto palmar.
This is my most likely thought right now.
Still lost on bluelightz and zeph.
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guys guys guys guys listen guys guys
listen guys listeeen
remember austinmcc? The guy who defended palmar day 2 and kinda disappeared?
Remember when austin and prplhz were about to be lynched, and then Palmar said prplhz was town? And he said austin was one of his scum reads? But he never voted austin? Remember how shitty it was his reasoning for that?
Guys, what you make of that? -_-
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On September 23 2012 06:34 Zephirdd wrote: guys guys guys guys listen guys guys
listen guys listeeen
remember austinmcc? The guy who defended palmar day 2 and kinda disappeared?
Remember when austin and prplhz were about to be lynched, and then Palmar said prplhz was town? And he said austin was one of his scum reads? But he never voted austin? Remember how shitty it was his reasoning for that?
Guys, what you make of that? -_-
guyguyguyguyguy listen
remember when palmar said one of his top scum reads was hiro pro was his best scum read and then left his vote lonesome on marv?
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Guys guys guys.
Guys.
Bluelightz? Still think he's scum, can someone comment on this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=59#1171
Also:
On September 22 2012 13:45 Bluelightz wrote:On Ange777, I like the points against Ange, I don't like that Ange made one case on prplhz, then made another, with the points, it's just recycling bullshit. Right now, Palmar seems more scummy to me then Ange (but willing to switch if need be) because Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote: ok I've caught up.
Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.
I will deny! iamperfection Hapahauli blazinghand Palmar
Junglers Zephirdd Mementoss bluelightz prplhz Ange777 mkfuba07
5 carries on your team Marvellosity HiroPro austinmcc
Seriously? Palmar's a vet but I don't think he can go down this low, I think the unexplained list is self-evident of why it's bad. Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote: Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now.
ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory.
hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town.
It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear.
don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time. Additionally, This post: Unexplained stuff all across the board! Then he thinks Ange IS town but refuses to disclose why HE thinks Ange is town. Lastly, I view Palmar's tunneling of marv only to be viewed as "doing something" (read: scumhunting). ##Vote: Palmar
On September 23 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote: Also, this is before I go off for the night:
##Unvote ##Vote: Ange777
Don't think having my vote on Palmar will help later on during the last minute mess.
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On September 23 2012 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:Guys guys guys. Guys. Bluelightz? Still think he's scum, can someone comment on this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=59#1171
Also: Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 13:45 Bluelightz wrote:On Ange777, I like the points against Ange, I don't like that Ange made one case on prplhz, then made another, with the points, it's just recycling bullshit. Right now, Palmar seems more scummy to me then Ange (but willing to switch if need be) because On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote: ok I've caught up.
Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.
I will deny! iamperfection Hapahauli blazinghand Palmar
Junglers Zephirdd Mementoss bluelightz prplhz Ange777 mkfuba07
5 carries on your team Marvellosity HiroPro austinmcc
Seriously? Palmar's a vet but I don't think he can go down this low, I think the unexplained list is self-evident of why it's bad. On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote: Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now.
ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory.
hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town.
It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear.
don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time. Additionally, This post: Unexplained stuff all across the board! Then he thinks Ange IS town but refuses to disclose why HE thinks Ange is town. Lastly, I view Palmar's tunneling of marv only to be viewed as "doing something" (read: scumhunting). ##Vote: Palmar Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote: Also, this is before I go off for the night:
##Unvote ##Vote: Ange777
Don't think having my vote on Palmar will help later on during the last minute mess. its hard to say but the unvote from palmar to ange has absolutley no reason for it unless he can predict the future.
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but what are we gonna do he will probally give no reason to his answers if we ask questions like bh said.
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(1) hooray (2) still not scum
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On September 23 2012 06:49 austinmcc wrote: (1) hooray (2) still not scum is it ok if we dont take your word for it?
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On September 23 2012 06:53 iamperfection wrote:is it ok if we dont take your word for it? yes
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Could you explain further why you didnt just switch to palmar when you could? You said you had a scum read on both ange and palmar so why care. Even if its true that you thought ange had a better chance it should have been pretty clear that the confirmed townies [hapa and memon] were gonna have their way basically.
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On September 23 2012 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:Guys guys guys. Guys. Bluelightz? Still think he's scum, can someone comment on this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=59#1171
Also: Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 13:45 Bluelightz wrote:On Ange777, I like the points against Ange, I don't like that Ange made one case on prplhz, then made another, with the points, it's just recycling bullshit. Right now, Palmar seems more scummy to me then Ange (but willing to switch if need be) because On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote: ok I've caught up.
Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.
I will deny! iamperfection Hapahauli blazinghand Palmar
Junglers Zephirdd Mementoss bluelightz prplhz Ange777 mkfuba07
5 carries on your team Marvellosity HiroPro austinmcc
Seriously? Palmar's a vet but I don't think he can go down this low, I think the unexplained list is self-evident of why it's bad. On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote: Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now.
ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory.
hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town.
It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear.
don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time. Additionally, This post: Unexplained stuff all across the board! Then he thinks Ange IS town but refuses to disclose why HE thinks Ange is town. Lastly, I view Palmar's tunneling of marv only to be viewed as "doing something" (read: scumhunting). ##Vote: Palmar Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote: Also, this is before I go off for the night:
##Unvote ##Vote: Ange777
Don't think having my vote on Palmar will help later on during the last minute mess.
yeah through elimination I really don't think BL is scum.
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although that voting stuff was weird. meh. will filter people later. there's simply a tonne of information out there to be mined right now.
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On September 23 2012 06:56 iamperfection wrote: Could you explain further why you didnt just switch to palmar when you could? You said you had a scum read on both ange and palmar so why care. Even if its true that you thought ange had a better chance it should have been pretty clear that the confirmed townies [hapa and memon] were gonna have their way basically. Figured either ange or palmar would be lynchable, only saw...one town read on ange and none on palmar? So was confident that someone out of those two would end up being lynched.
Between the two, preferred ange. My main concern was trying to stop further voteswitching onto hiro or marv or any other last minute target instead of the other two.
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ok @ hiro Why didnt you dump reads when you should have been shitting your pants about to be lynched?
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I had to step out. I didn't get back until you guys switched back onto Palmar.
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Just been pulling up some quotes from austin's filter, regarding Palmar.
This is going to be pretty long due to the fact I'm posting a lot of quotes. Some will also be duplicated as they apply to different sections. Sorry if it's a bore. A couple of things I've noticed while going through his filter:
1) austin lumps me and Palmar together. It's always marv and Palmar, or marv or Palmar. 2) austin never gives an actual read on Palmar until the end of the day when it's clear Palmar has a good chance of being lynched. 3) He doesn't want to lynch Palmar, he says this quite a bit.
Marv and Palmar together:
On September 22 2012 01:15 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:09 Mementoss wrote: I'm wondering if it's best for the town if we just settle this nonsense today. Marv vs Palmar The problem with this is that it doesn't give us anything. Both are perfectly capable of setting this up as scumbuddies. I think both are capable of this if they're both town. I don't terribly want to flip either, and I don't think flipping either gives us a conclusive read on the other.
On September 22 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote: I have no desire to lynch palmar or marv today.
If I thought that either of them would feel heavily pressured by a few votes, I might cast my lot in to see what it shook out of one of em, but I see you being able to keep their cool as scum under pressure, and I don't want to play games when I'm so sure ange is scum and we've got her up for lynch right now.
On September 22 2012 06:42 austinmcc wrote: IF Palmar is scum and IF he's dangerous because he can cause more confusion if left alive, then right now, the best opportunity for him to sow confusion is TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE'S DOING.
-snip-
If you know Palmar so well, the flip side is also true. Palmar has played more games with you than with the rest of the players in this game, as far as I know. That means that IF he's going to be dicking with anyone's head, it's going to be yours. So quit letting him.
This last quote was also part of a whole chain of posts where austin tells me to stop sniping at Palmar.
On September 22 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 08:12 Ange777 wrote: have missed something. But please rather sooner than later cause otherwise I'll go to sleep first. What would your read be on me if all you had was the TOO obvious post and the prplhz vote post? What is your current read on mementoss? If you had to choose a lynch target for today that wasn't you, palmar, or marv, who would you be looking at and why?
If we weren't playing mafia, and everyone in this thread was actually a mountain (except you), who would be the tallest mountain? Which mountain would have the most wildlife living on it?
Interesting how he lumps me in with Palmar once again, even though I've obviously been a completely unviable lynch target for the day. Why not marv?
I don't wanna lynch Palmar:
On September 22 2012 01:15 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 01:09 Mementoss wrote: I'm wondering if it's best for the town if we just settle this nonsense today. Marv vs Palmar The problem with this is that it doesn't give us anything. Both are perfectly capable of setting this up as scumbuddies. I think both are capable of this if they're both town. I don't terribly want to flip either, and I don't think flipping either gives us a conclusive read on the other.
On September 22 2012 02:49 austinmcc wrote:As long as we're playing connection games, I'm still wondering about this: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 19:06 Palmar wrote:For the record, I don't think mementoss is scum. I agree with almost everything said in this post, aside from lynching me. But it's fine, I don't intend for this game to reach lylo. On September 20 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote: okay prplhz list of reads:
town: iamperfection blazing zephirdd hapa mementoss palmar
townie/null: austinmcc mkfuba07 bluelightz
scummy: ange777 hiropro
scum: marv
remember to lynch palmar at lylo Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 10:02 austinmcc wrote:
SNIPPED
I'd be interested in Palmar's thoughts on ange. She was in prplhz's "scummy" range, along with hiropro, who seems to be palmar's lynch preference for today. Palmar was that one of prplhz's reads you were alright with? If so, do you want to share reasoning? Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 22:21 Palmar wrote: That is very much fine with me. This ange lynch is not good anyway. There's been far less Palmar --> Ange interaction when compared to Palmar --> Hiro, which is saying something I guess. Although there was a good amount of Ange --> Palmar action D1 where she was asking him lots of questions and trying to keep thread from letting him get by with what he was adding. I still don't want to lynch Palmar, but only after pulling it back out do I realize how much I dislike him agreeing with "almost everything" in prplhz's list. I don't care as much about a lack of reasoning behind reads, but that post from his is actually NO reads. Agreeing with almost everything there tells us nothing about what he actually does and doesn't agree with, besides prplhz's read on Palmar himself.
On September 22 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote: I have no desire to lynch palmar or marv today.
If I thought that either of them would feel heavily pressured by a few votes, I might cast my lot in to see what it shook out of one of em, but I see you being able to keep their cool as scum under pressure, and I don't want to play games when I'm so sure ange is scum and we've got her up for lynch right now.
On September 23 2012 02:53 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote: ugh, I could somehow see Ange flipping town, and it being Palmar/Hiro/austin.
I think Palmar is a much better lynch today. I think that as to the iamperfection bit that you're concerned about, there's a possibility she had a "logic meltdown." But I'm still convinced she's mafia. Which I'm not [on Palmar], btw.
Complete lack of a read on Palmar:
On September 22 2012 00:27 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 00:19 marvellosity wrote: That says nothing at all, well done again. No reasoning for anything at any point in that post. I don't know if you're trying to or not, but this keeps clogging up the thread. The majority of his posts have not included reasoning. You've got a lot of posts calling him out on that. We see the lack of reasoning; you can stop. Nobody is sitting in thread saying Palmar has done a great job of letting us see where he's getting his calls from. Nobody is sheeping his reads either. I still don't know what to make of Palmar, but 10 more discussions of how he's not giving full-throated reads isn't going to do anything for anyone. Moreover, some of those reads DO have reasoning, but earlier in thread - I know iam was covered in his first reads, I believe he may have given reasoning for hiro at some point (not entirely sure there). There's no NEED for reasoning on hapa, and little need for anything on mementoss.
Starts the story with "I don't know what to make of Palmar"
On September 22 2012 00:38 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 00:29 marvellosity wrote: No, he never ever gave reasoning for Hiro. The fact that you don't even fucking realise this is why I should keep pointing stuff like that out. In short, piss off austin. Yup, I was wrong. No reasoning on Hiro. But no, it's not a reason to keep pointing it out, and it's especially not a reason to keep sniping at him. If you've been trying to potty train a kid for 8 years and he's still just peeing himself at the dinner table, then at some point you give up on it. You strap a diaper and a helmet on him and send him out into the world to go count to purple. Anybody who thinks, right now, "Palmar is giving a hell of a lot of good reasoning behind his reads" is that kid. Anybody who isn't doesn't need to be informed that there's still a lack of involvement. Spend your energy elsewhere. I've seen you get tangled up with one person for an entire cycle, and it neuters your ability to do anything else. IF Palmar is scum, then it feels like that's what is going on, you're just being goaded into wasting all your effort on sniping/fuming/looking at Palmar.
"If" - uh huh.
On September 22 2012 02:49 austinmcc wrote:As long as we're playing connection games, I'm still wondering about this: Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 19:06 Palmar wrote:For the record, I don't think mementoss is scum. I agree with almost everything said in this post, aside from lynching me. But it's fine, I don't intend for this game to reach lylo. On September 20 2012 05:46 prplhz wrote: okay prplhz list of reads:
town: iamperfection blazing zephirdd hapa mementoss palmar
townie/null: austinmcc mkfuba07 bluelightz
scummy: ange777 hiropro
scum: marv
remember to lynch palmar at lylo Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 10:02 austinmcc wrote:
SNIPPED
I'd be interested in Palmar's thoughts on ange. She was in prplhz's "scummy" range, along with hiropro, who seems to be palmar's lynch preference for today. Palmar was that one of prplhz's reads you were alright with? If so, do you want to share reasoning? Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 22:21 Palmar wrote: That is very much fine with me. This ange lynch is not good anyway. There's been far less Palmar --> Ange interaction when compared to Palmar --> Hiro, which is saying something I guess. Although there was a good amount of Ange --> Palmar action D1 where she was asking him lots of questions and trying to keep thread from letting him get by with what he was adding. I still don't want to lynch Palmar, but only after pulling it back out do I realize how much I dislike him agreeing with "almost everything" in prplhz's list. I don't care as much about a lack of reasoning behind reads, but that post from his is actually NO reads. Agreeing with almost everything there tells us nothing about what he actually does and doesn't agree with, besides prplhz's read on Palmar himself.
I don't want to lynch Palmar, but I don't like this. Don't like? And? Just so we don't get confused that "don't like" means "I think he's scum", we have him definitely not wanting to lynch Palmar a few hours later:
On September 22 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote: I have no desire to lynch palmar or marv today.
On September 22 2012 06:42 austinmcc wrote: IF Palmar is scum and IF he's dangerous because he can cause more confusion if left alive, then right now, the best opportunity for him to sow confusion is TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE'S DOING.
If if if if if
On September 23 2012 02:53 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote: ugh, I could somehow see Ange flipping town, and it being Palmar/Hiro/austin.
I think Palmar is a much better lynch today. I think that as to the iamperfection bit that you're concerned about, there's a possibility she had a "logic meltdown." But I'm still convinced she's mafia. Which I'm not [on Palmar], btw.
Still not convinced on Palmar.
On September 23 2012 03:22 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 03:21 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2012 02:53 austinmcc wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote: ugh, I could somehow see Ange flipping town, and it being Palmar/Hiro/austin.
I think Palmar is a much better lynch today. I think that as to the iamperfection bit that you're concerned about, there's a possibility she had a "logic meltdown." But I'm still convinced she's mafia. Which I'm not, btw. That's ok. If Ange flips town you're scum. And whether you are scum or not, you're blind if you think palmar isn't scum. Oh I've pretty much come around on palmar being scum. But your worries about him wreaking havoc seem pretty unfounded. Also, if Ange flips town I'll actually still be town.
Wait, what? austin now thinks Palmar is scum? Based on what? There has been no read at all on Palmar in any of his filter, and now, when everyone else actually wants to lynch Palmar, austin has come around to thinking that Palmar is scum?
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On September 23 2012 02:33 ghost_403 wrote: V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT: Ange777 ( 5 ) austinmcc, bluelightz, Hapahauli, HiroPro, iamperfection marvellosity ( 1 ) Palmar Palmar ( 4 ) Ange777, Marvellosity, Mementoss, Zephirdd
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! Presently, no one is set to be lynched! 3.5 hours remain in Day 2! @ hapa i think palmar was counting on me, you and mementoss not switching our votes. I think this would imply that ange is likely town. I said at one point i wasent going to switch my vote so it leads me to believe that he was counting on it. Also like we have stated i think the suspicion on ange was founded so i think he was counting on an ange mis lynch. He would have counted on that and it leads me to believe the final 2 scum are within austin blue and hiropro.
I think that is the most likely conclusion.
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@marv
thanks mate, I'm too lazytired to dig that filter.
So yeah, austin is scum. It's an associative tell really. palmar scum -> austin scum.
I cant sleep ~_~
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I unvoted because at the time no one seemed to think of lynching Palmar aside from those that voted him already, so I helped consolidate on Ange.
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