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On September 23 2012 04:47 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 04:46 austinmcc wrote:On September 23 2012 04:43 iamperfection wrote:On September 23 2012 03:22 austinmcc wrote:On September 23 2012 03:21 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2012 02:53 austinmcc wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote:
ugh, I could somehow see Ange flipping town, and it being Palmar/Hiro/austin.
I think Palmar is a much better lynch today. I think that as to the iamperfection bit that you're concerned about, there's a possibility she had a "logic meltdown." But I'm still convinced she's mafia. Which I'm not, btw. That's ok. If Ange flips town you're scum. And whether you are scum or not, you're blind if you think palmar isn't scum. Oh I've pretty much come around on palmar being scum. But your worries about him wreaking havoc seem pretty unfounded. Also, if Ange flips town I'll actually still be town. If you think he is scum why not vote for him? Because I'm more sure on ange. Afaik, basically everyone on either of the two thinks that both are scum. Do you think Marv is scum?
I think...at the end of N1 I noted that his interactions with hiro and with ange looked funky D1. I have not gone back to fully look through him today, because I liked where we were and throwing marv into the mix for serious discussion was best saved for another day. I think that either ange or palmar, when flipped, tells us SOMETHING about marv, ange a little more (marv and palmar could very easily both be scumbuddies and just spamming thread/distancing themselves).
Right now I'm still...hmmm. I guess I'm scummy on him, yeah. He just continuously rails against Palmar, lets Palmar get his goat, tries to shift the lynch of Ange. Palmar is right that his play changed enormously pre-accusations from Palmar and post-accusations. My play has changed as well though, so I can't do too much with that. However, what marv has actually done once getting active hasn't felt pro-town. I'd hope that town marv would see what's going on, quit spamming so much, quit getting so inflamed, because he's destroyed town atmospheres in past games when doing that as town. So I read his constant sniping at Palmar as scummy.
I'd rather see ange flip. Probably rather see Palmar flip. Rather have legitimate discussion on marv, and rather give him a solid look again, especially if we flip someone non-marv and can draw any connections there.
But I'm generally paranoid, and so I'm always going to be worried about marv/Palmar both being scum, or marv and basically ANY of my other main scum candidates, because his interactions haven't felt townie this game at points. Best I can do is give an approximation of my thoughts at this point, and then do some digging during N2 to figure out how I really feel.
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if palmar is still here switch to hiro
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While we're at it, why is Hiro scum again? I'm mainly sheeping at this point.
Palmar and marv have posts about him. Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta and has been largely useless. He also built a huge-ass case on me and came off it for very little reason (without pushing it) to lynch austin.
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On September 23 2012 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +While we're at it, why is Hiro scum again? I'm mainly sheeping at this point. Palmar and marv have posts about him. Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta and has been largely useless. He also built a huge-ass case on me and came off it for very little reason (without pushing it) to lynch austin.
sounds good, I'll believe in you
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On September 23 2012 04:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +While we're at it, why is Hiro scum again? I'm mainly sheeping at this point. Palmar and marv have posts about him. Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta and has been largely useless. He also built a huge-ass case on me and came off it for very little reason (without pushing it) to lynch austin.
He had decent reason to want to lynch me. Some of the reasoning was off, but I agree that I looked like I should have been lynched for those posts.
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I didn't push my case on hapa because there was no one who actually seemed willing to vote for him.
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On September 23 2012 04:53 Mementoss wrote:
Marv and Palmar both think HiroPro is scum, good compromise?
One is bussing the other is not.
This is assuming a lot. We have no idea who out of marv and palmar is/isn't scum. None, one, both.
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I'm still not sold on Ange being town. I however can see a situation in which she was town, and the iamperfection thing was just a really bad/illogical reaction to the prplhz flip. Confirmation bias on iamperfection perhaps.
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On September 23 2012 04:55 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2012 04:47 Mementoss wrote:On September 23 2012 04:46 austinmcc wrote:On September 23 2012 04:43 iamperfection wrote:On September 23 2012 03:22 austinmcc wrote:On September 23 2012 03:21 marvellosity wrote:On September 23 2012 02:53 austinmcc wrote:On September 23 2012 02:21 marvellosity wrote:
ugh, I could somehow see Ange flipping town, and it being Palmar/Hiro/austin.
I think Palmar is a much better lynch today. I think that as to the iamperfection bit that you're concerned about, there's a possibility she had a "logic meltdown." But I'm still convinced she's mafia. Which I'm not, btw. That's ok. If Ange flips town you're scum. And whether you are scum or not, you're blind if you think palmar isn't scum. Oh I've pretty much come around on palmar being scum. But your worries about him wreaking havoc seem pretty unfounded. Also, if Ange flips town I'll actually still be town. If you think he is scum why not vote for him? Because I'm more sure on ange. Afaik, basically everyone on either of the two thinks that both are scum. Do you think Marv is scum? I think...at the end of N1 I noted that his interactions with hiro and with ange looked funky D1. I have not gone back to fully look through him today, because I liked where we were and throwing marv into the mix for serious discussion was best saved for another day. I think that either ange or palmar, when flipped, tells us SOMETHING about marv, ange a little more (marv and palmar could very easily both be scumbuddies and just spamming thread/distancing themselves). Right now I'm still...hmmm. I guess I'm scummy on him, yeah. He just continuously rails against Palmar, lets Palmar get his goat, tries to shift the lynch of Ange. Palmar is right that his play changed enormously pre-accusations from Palmar and post-accusations. My play has changed as well though, so I can't do too much with that. However, what marv has actually done once getting active hasn't felt pro-town. I'd hope that town marv would see what's going on, quit spamming so much, quit getting so inflamed, because he's destroyed town atmospheres in past games when doing that as town. So I read his constant sniping at Palmar as scummy. I'd rather see ange flip. Probably rather see Palmar flip. Rather have legitimate discussion on marv, and rather give him a solid look again, especially if we flip someone non-marv and can draw any connections there. But I'm generally paranoid, and so I'm always going to be worried about marv/Palmar both being scum, or marv and basically ANY of my other main scum candidates, because his interactions haven't felt townie this game at points. Best I can do is give an approximation of my thoughts at this point, and then do some digging during N2 to figure out how I really feel.
Oh for sure it's definitely possible they are both scum, but unlikely. Even if one bussed the other D1 or D2, it would be really weird if they were still alive D4/5 why would scum not kill the guy who drove the lynch of a scum.
Anyways its too late for marv discussion now, but I will be addressing it in the night cycle, before either me or hapa get shot (most likely).
What do you think of Hiro, are you willing to make the switch.?
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On September 23 2012 04:58 HiroPro wrote:
I didn't push my case on hapa because there was no one who actually seemed willing to vote for him.
You've also been pretty fucking useless all game.
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Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta
Are you kidding me?
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On September 23 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:Are you kidding me?
That's just what marv said, summarizing his point.
But point me to one useful thing you've done all game.
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Yes because "being useful" is such an amazing indicator of whether someone is scum or not. Go read my filter, it's clear you haven't.
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On September 23 2012 05:02 HiroPro wrote:
Yes because "being useful" is such an amazing indicator of whether someone is scum or not. Go read my filter, it's clear you haven't.
I have. Point me to one useful thing you've done all game.
The only "case" you've made you immediately sheeped off because no one was voting for me. That's a pretty bullshit reason when you thought I was scum.
So please, point me to one useful thing you've done. If you can't, now's the time to start.
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The fact that HiroPro came and voted ange, took off for the whole cycle and said k I guess were lynching palmar and voted palmar is pretty damning too. Espeically when both ange and Palmar had a chance of being lynched.
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Yeah he doesn't really give a shit about who is getting lynched.
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Mementoss,
Oh for sure it's definitely possible they are both scum, but unlikely. Even if one bussed the other D1 or D2, it would be really weird if they were still alive D4/5 why would scum not kill the guy who drove the lynch of a scum. Again, this is assuming a lot. Just off the top of my head, why mafia wouldn't want to kill them as town:
If palmar is town, why should mafia kill him? He's got no towncred, nobody cares about his reads. IF he flips town, then people reread him and give him some credence. Until he's flipped though, the entirety of town basically writes his posts off. He's not dangerous while alive, only dangerous (maybe) once flipped. Moreover, he gives you a great way to split votes every lynch, you can be sure people will be discussing lynchign palmar, voting palmar, trying to get switches onto palmar, and so it helps ensure that town doesn't have great consensus on a lynch target (and if they DO get consensus on Palmar, they lynch town, ta da!).
If marv is town, why should mafia kill him? Marv has spent so much time and effort sniping at Palmar that he's not doing much else. Townmarv needs shooting when he's active, stirring up discussion, getting reads from everyone on everything, forcing action (See BH D1 early). Marv isn't doing that this game because he's bogged down with Palmar. EVEN if palmar is mafia, there's no need to shoot marv. Palmar's existence and taunting makes marv near-useless as townie, A FACT WHICH HE RECOGNIZES TO SOME EXTENT - + Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 09:42 marvellosity wrote:
I'm so behind, I hadn't even got on to considering austin's posts yet :< On September 21 2012 09:45 marvellosity wrote:
no, I mean I literally had been talking to you and looking at Bluelightz's past games and shit, so i was putting austin's posts aside for a moment.
I'll have a proper look myself; obviously I'd had some niggles as I asked you that question about her interactions with iamp a little earlier. On September 21 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote:
I need to read the thread more closely if i'm missing shit like that on first pass
What do you think of Hiro, are you willing to make the switch.?
To be completely honest, I haven't been looking at Hiro this day. I'm reluctant to make a switch so late on someone I haven't been giving full consideration to during this cycle.
I won't be here at deadline. I'm at work now and really don't want to stay here on a Saturday. If you guys are switching and have enough votes...then I guess you're switching? Wish we'd stay on ange, who NOBODY is really stepping up and defending except Palmar, who the majority of people seem to think is scum. I can't guarantee that my vote is available at deadline to prevent a no-lynch, but I can stay another 10 minutes or so and hope that it's in a useful spot.
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For anyone voting Hiro, you're comfortable just switching off of Palmar to Hiro because Hiro has been unhelpful?
Hasn't Palmar been unhelpful? Why switch from unhelpful to unhelpful because of unhelpful?
I dunno Hiro's alignment, but I know I just mislynched him in PTP3 (themed, not mini) for being more inactive than I thought town Hiro was, because I remembered him asking lots of questions and pushing his thoughts towards logical conclusions in other games. My gut read, without having given him my full attention this game, is that Hiro is... town? I guess? That point on Palmar entering the thread with 3 scumreads isn't guaranteed townie post, but it makes me feel like he's town.
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Yeah I'm pretty comfortable after looking at his D2 play. It reads like he doesn't give a shit about the lynch.
He sheeped Ange, then switched to Palmar for no explanation. All the while, he hasn't given a hard opinion on any other player in the game.
It doesn't help that he switched off his main scumread (me) after building a case on me just because no one wanted to vote me. Didn't push his case at all.
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On September 23 2012 05:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah I'm pretty comfortable after looking at his D2 play. It reads like he doesn't give a shit about the lynch.
He sheeped Ange, then switched to Palmar for no explanation. All the while, he hasn't given a hard opinion on any other player in the game.
It doesn't help that he switched off his main scumread (me) after building a case on me just because no one wanted to vote me. Didn't push his case at all.
Palmar doesn't give a shit about lynch. Ange doesn't really give a shit about lynch. Zephirdd says he's just sheeping and doesn't know why Hiro is scum (doesn't care about lynch). Bluelightz I dunno if he cares about lynch or not.
Half the game doesn't seem to give a shit about the lynch, except that they don't want it on them. Why SWITCH to one guy at the end of a day because of that reasoning?
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