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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 21:22 GMT
#1314


Hit my fucking music.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 21:29 GMT
#1321
On September 23 2012 06:26 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 06:22 Hapahauli wrote:
I think we have our scumteam somewhere in Hiro, Ange, Bluelightz.


A lil wifom, remember Hiro made his first case on GK (Palmar) and Palmar was pushing Hiro pretty hard before he died. not sure what I make of this.


Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Bluelightz isn't scummy, he's Bluelightz. If you attack him, be prepared for non-responsiveness and random shitty defense posts at the last minute, whether he's town or scum.

Iamperfection is active and aggressive enough that I no longer consider him a top scumread. I've seen him play poorly before as town so this is reasonable to say.

My current list of people I'll be pressuring going into D1 if I'm alive (which I probably will be, unless something weird happens):

HiroPro
Mkfuba07
Ange777
Palmar

The first two because they're scum, the second two because they should be good scumhunters, better than they are this game

Also marv like ange and plam

peace


Now we have a little context on this. BH last words. He must been right about more than 1 in his top 4 to die because honestly he was pretty wrong on prplhz and didn't contribute that much after that fact.

to be fair bh had no extra information and we now know that palmar is scum. And kind unfortunatly bh gave bluelightz almost a free pass to do whatever he wants if he is scum.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 21:45 GMT
#1326
On September 23 2012 06:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Guys guys guys.

Guys.

Bluelightz? Still think he's scum, can someone comment on this?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=59#1171



Also:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 13:45 Bluelightz wrote:
On Ange777, I like the points against Ange, I don't like that Ange made one case on prplhz, then made another, with the points, it's just recycling bullshit.

Right now, Palmar seems more scummy to me then Ange (but willing to switch if need be) because


On September 18 2012 23:05 Palmar wrote:
ok I've caught up.

Will read more attentively later, some of you guys textwall like bosses. Here's my current idea of the thread.


I will deny!
iamperfection
Hapahauli
blazinghand
Palmar

Junglers
Zephirdd
Mementoss
bluelightz
prplhz
Ange777
mkfuba07

5 carries on your team
Marvellosity
HiroPro
austinmcc


Seriously? Palmar's a vet but I don't think he can go down this low, I think the unexplained list is self-evident of why it's bad.


On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now.

ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory.

hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town.

It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear.

don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time.


Additionally, This post: Unexplained stuff all across the board! Then he thinks Ange IS town but refuses to disclose why HE thinks Ange is town.

Lastly, I view Palmar's tunneling of marv only to be viewed as "doing something" (read: scumhunting).

##Vote: Palmar


Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 00:56 Bluelightz wrote:
Also, this is before I go off for the night:

##Unvote
##Vote: Ange777


Don't think having my vote on Palmar will help later on during the last minute mess.

its hard to say but the unvote from palmar to ange has absolutley no reason for it unless he can predict the future.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 21:46 GMT
#1327
but what are we gonna do he will probally give no reason to his answers if we ask questions like bh said.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 21:53 GMT
#1329
On September 23 2012 06:49 austinmcc wrote:
(1) hooray
(2) still not scum

is it ok if we dont take your word for it?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 21:56 GMT
#1331
Could you explain further why you didnt just switch to palmar when you could? You said you had a scum read on both ange and palmar so why care. Even if its true that you thought ange had a better chance it should have been pretty clear that the confirmed townies [hapa and memon] were gonna have their way basically.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#1335
ok
@ hiro
Why didnt you dump reads when you should have been shitting your pants about to be lynched?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 22:47 GMT
#1338
On September 23 2012 02:33 ghost_403 wrote:
V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT:

Ange777 ( 5 ) austinmcc, bluelightz, Hapahauli, HiroPro, iamperfection
marvellosity ( 1 ) Palmar
Palmar ( 4 ) Ange777, Marvellosity, Mementoss, Zephirdd

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!
Presently, no one is set to be lynched! 3.5 hours remain in Day 2!

@ hapa i think palmar was counting on me, you and mementoss not switching our votes. I think this would imply that ange is likely town. I said at one point i wasent going to switch my vote so it leads me to believe that he was counting on it. Also like we have stated i think the suspicion on ange was founded so i think he was counting on an ange mis lynch. He would have counted on that and it leads me to believe the final 2 scum are within austin blue and hiropro.

I think that is the most likely conclusion.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 13:20 GMT
#1344
@ austin in light of the flip what do you think is the most likely scenario now regarding the remaining scum?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 14:27 GMT
#1354
On September 23 2012 22:53 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 22:20 iamperfection wrote:
@ austin in light of the flip what do you think is the most likely scenario now regarding the remaining scum?

I still think ange is scum, that's independent of palmar. I think the question about confirming the mason claim + not responding to that at all + seemingly lynching whether they claimed mason or not = scum in my mind.

The rest is all super hypothetical, but I'll spew some nonsense. I'm assuming 3 scum no SK at this point, that's "most likely" afaik. Thoughts:

Ange's response to my mountain question was really cagey. When grush has responded, he's tended to follow a pattern of "what is the equivalent of that descriptor in mafia terms (tallest = what in mafia game?, like that), and then answer based off of what he thinks a descriptor means in terms of mafia. Sometimes he's failed to answer, but still provided the reasoning for what he thinks a descriptor means. Ange's answer was just names. THIS IS NOT A GOOD REASON TO LYNCH SOMEONE OR FIND SOMEONE SCUMMY. BUT, I can't help but interpret her answer. The short, cagey answers make me worried. No reasoning, no explanation, no nothing. Ange hasn't played in either of the games I've asked grush similar questions. I haven't explained why I ask those questions. Her answers, as I see them, show that she doesn't want to reveal her hand at all, and just gives names. I worry about that, and the fact that she does so makes me think that IF she's scum, then the remaining scum (assuming 3) is someone who HAS played in PTP3 or LVII, or at the very least obsed them (If I got those questions from someone, I'd have no clue why they were asking. Ange didn't play in either of those games. Ange should find those questions VERY ODD. She answered them, which to me indicates that someone in QT told her about that stupid questions I've been asking Grush). Therefore, IF scumange, THEN scumsomeonewhoplayedinoneofthose games, leading me to sort of discard bluelightz as scum (I believe iamperfection, marv, hiro, zephir all played in or read those games).

Another ange thought, her response to votes when she came back was very long, very thorough, pretty well thought out. Gut read - that post was crafted, and someone with at least a little experience in playing scum helped shape that in QT. That doesn't really get me anything though as I know palmar was alive at the point that answer was crafted, so ange's post doesn't necessarily give away anything about the 3rd scum if 3 scum.

I need to fully reread Hiro. I just lynched him for being off/less active in PTP3 than I remembered him in town games. That's the reasoning we have for the lynch here. I'm going to be hesitant to lynch on that reasoning (or loosely on that reasoning) when I mislynched on the same grounds last game. So I need to figure out where I went wrong, and see what Hiro shakes out this game. I have a mild townread on Hiro based on that Palmar entrance comment, so right now I would NOT put him as my third scum.

That leaves...marv, zephir, you (bluelightz is out based on mountain answer, hiro out atm).

For NOW, the most likely scenario is NOT marv. marv would normally not get too much cred from me for his read on palmar. but the rb helps craft a better marv town/palmar scum story, and I'll go with it for now. Since you asked it "most likely," I've got to admit that holding the rb and marv claiming it is less likely than marv town. I think it's absolutely plausible that they'd play games with the rb, but certainly not 50+% likely. Also, like I noted at the end of N1, marv/ange interactions D1 were maybe a little wonky. Guh, I really seem to want to make marv scummy here, but no. Most likely town.

So now I've got zephirdd, iamperfection for 3rd scum (still assuming 3). Right at the moment I don't have a preference between those two? Off the top of my head zephir has felt scummier I guess? I'd need to look harder at the two of you.

That answer for third scum sucks, but it's what I have right at this moment. There's the rest of my thoughts on a couple players though.

I think your making a big stretch there and making a lot of assumptions. I think palmars whole plan was to have mis lynch on ange then probally dominate the town conversation from then on forward. A green flip i think would have caused a lot of confusion i think and the marv palmar fighting would just continue giving palmar more time to push further agendas. So im 99% certian ange is town.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 14:38 GMT
#1357
On September 23 2012 23:35 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 23:27 iamperfection wrote:
I think your making a big stretch there and making a lot of assumptions. I think palmars whole plan was to have mis lynch on ange then probally dominate the town conversation from then on forward. A green flip i think would have caused a lot of confusion i think and the marv palmar fighting would just continue giving palmar more time to push further agendas. So im 99% certian ange is town.

Show nested quote +
The rest is all super hypothetical, but I'll spew some nonsense.

The response to the mountain question doesn't lead to any kind of strong read, but that's where my thoughts go based on her answer.

I would ask, however, why, if Palmar's plan was to have a mis lynch on ange, he wouldn't vote ange. Is your line of thinking "Palmar knows town finds he scummy, therefore he calls ange town, hoping people will lynch her harder because she's got a townread from Palmar?" That's ALSO pretty tenuous. I'm not sure how you're interpreting Palmar's actions to yield that plan.


he cant vote ange that would be the whole point.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 14:42 GMT
#1358
im just having a hard time thinking the two biggest wagons were both on scum.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 15:19 GMT
#1365
On September 23 2012 23:53 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote:
im just having a hard time thinking the two biggest wagons were both on scum.

So then what do you make of the end of D2? We had ange wagon, palmar wagon, and then hiro swap towards the end. If you have a hard time thinking we had two wagons on scum, do you feel that hiro is townie?

I have to reasses things if your town. I think you have defended yourself fairly well and i see how you can think the things you are thinking if you are town

I do think hiro is full of shit though. i think if i was under that much pressure as he was twoards the end i would dump as many reads as i can and i would probally troll the shit out of hapa and mementoss if i was in the same situation.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 19:40 GMT
#1368
On September 24 2012 04:14 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Marv wrote: hiro scum, unless ve flips scum


Yea, I was right.

thats nice and all. Where you think the scum are at?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 19:51 GMT
#1370
On September 24 2012 04:48 HiroPro wrote:
ange is scum. I don't care enough to figure out who else is. And not like you're going to listen to me anyway lol.

are you fucking serious.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 21:26 GMT
#1395
On September 24 2012 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Thoughts on the NK marv? Pretty strange one that is.

they thought the defense was real good maybe?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 21:30 GMT
#1397
On September 24 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Thoughts on the NK marv? Pretty strange one that is.


erm, fucking useful?

literally i don't know how to speculate when they had you, confirmed town to hit, and Mementoss, semi-confirmed town to hit, or me to hit.

I don't understand it at all actually. Trying to discredit me?

Let me go a little austin on you for a moment - Mementoss is SK, I blocked scum hit and Mementoss hit austin. Before you all shout at me, I agree that's pretty fucking unlikely, but yeah.

I'm only mentioning it because I don't understand the kill at all.
\
...............................................and you just yelled at hapa
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 21:32 GMT
#1400
On September 24 2012 06:28 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2012 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:
Thoughts on the NK marv? Pretty strange one that is.


erm, fucking useful?

literally i don't know how to speculate when they had you, confirmed town to hit, and Mementoss, semi-confirmed town to hit, or me to hit.

I don't understand it at all actually. Trying to discredit me?

Let me go a little austin on you for a moment - Mementoss is SK, I blocked scum hit and Mementoss hit austin. Before you all shout at me, I agree that's pretty fucking unlikely, but yeah.

I'm only mentioning it because I don't understand the kill at all.

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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 21:35 GMT
#1405
On September 24 2012 06:34 HiroPro wrote:
marv is the SK. he slipped.

he slipped but in another way.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 23 2012 21:37 GMT
#1408
On September 24 2012 06:36 HiroPro wrote:
no that's what he wants you to think.

## vote Hiropro

get out
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