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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:06 GMT
#1235
The fact that HiroPro came and voted ange, took off for the whole cycle and said k I guess were lynching palmar and voted palmar is pretty damning too. Espeically when both ange and Palmar had a chance of being lynched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:18 GMT
#1242
On September 23 2012 05:08 austinmcc wrote:
Mementoss,

Show nested quote +
Oh for sure it's definitely possible they are both scum, but unlikely. Even if one bussed the other D1 or D2, it would be really weird if they were still alive D4/5 why would scum not kill the guy who drove the lynch of a scum.
Again, this is assuming a lot. Just off the top of my head, why mafia wouldn't want to kill them as town:

If palmar is town, why should mafia kill him? He's got no towncred, nobody cares about his reads. IF he flips town, then people reread him and give him some credence. Until he's flipped though, the entirety of town basically writes his posts off. He's not dangerous while alive, only dangerous (maybe) once flipped. Moreover, he gives you a great way to split votes every lynch, you can be sure people will be discussing lynchign palmar, voting palmar, trying to get switches onto palmar, and so it helps ensure that town doesn't have great consensus on a lynch target (and if they DO get consensus on Palmar, they lynch town, ta da!).

If marv is town, why should mafia kill him? Marv has spent so much time and effort sniping at Palmar that he's not doing much else. Townmarv needs shooting when he's active, stirring up discussion, getting reads from everyone on everything, forcing action (See BH D1 early). Marv isn't doing that this game because he's bogged down with Palmar. EVEN if palmar is mafia, there's no need to shoot marv. Palmar's existence and taunting makes marv near-useless as townie, A FACT WHICH HE RECOGNIZES TO SOME EXTENT - + Show Spoiler +
On September 21 2012 09:42 marvellosity wrote:
I'm so behind, I hadn't even got on to considering austin's posts yet :<
On September 21 2012 09:45 marvellosity wrote:
no, I mean I literally had been talking to you and looking at Bluelightz's past games and shit, so i was putting austin's posts aside for a moment.

I'll have a proper look myself; obviously I'd had some niggles as I asked you that question about her interactions with iamp a little earlier.
On September 21 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote:
I need to read the thread more closely if i'm missing shit like that on first pass

. It's one reason I'm trying to stay on Marv and get him to do non-Palmar stuff, because IF he's town he's valuable, but he's not being so while he's consumed with posting about and thinking about Palmar. He knows it, he admits that he's missing stuff, but he keeps chasing Palmar. No need for mafia to kill him when he's missing stuff.

Show nested quote +
What do you think of Hiro, are you willing to make the switch.?

To be completely honest, I haven't been looking at Hiro this day. I'm reluctant to make a switch so late on someone I haven't been giving full consideration to during this cycle.


I won't be here at deadline. I'm at work now and really don't want to stay here on a Saturday. If you guys are switching and have enough votes...then I guess you're switching? Wish we'd stay on ange, who NOBODY is really stepping up and defending except Palmar, who the majority of people seem to think is scum. I can't guarantee that my vote is available at deadline to prevent a no-lynch, but I can stay another 10 minutes or so and hope that it's in a useful spot.


This shit isn't important right now. And you misunderstood the point I was trying to say I didn't say it made sense for palmar of marv to be killed in this context. Im saying if either one of them pushed the others lynch and they flipped scum it would be really weird that they would stay be kept alive by mafia. So it would be unlikely move as both of them being mafia. It was a response to your hypothetical. Obviously its a lot of assumptions -_-.

Also deadline is right now. Do you not find it odd hiro left all day and came back to say k were lynching palmar now and vote palmar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:21 GMT
#1247
On September 23 2012 05:20 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 05:18 Mementoss wrote:
Also deadline is right now. Do you not find it odd hiro left all day and came back to say k were lynching palmar now and vote palmar?

I think we've got a number of people who are doing that. I find it...really unhelpful and I wish they wouldn't. But when ange is gone for long periods of time, Palmar pops in and out, Zephirdd pops in and out and just says he's sheeping, Bluelightz is never around, and marv is entirely absent right before lynch, I don't find it "odd" that Hiro returns right now.

I think the majority of the players here are unhelpful right now for this deadline and these switches. I don't find it odd that one more is.


Do you find it odd that marv was around all the time to spam and then leaves before the lynch deadline when people are switching to the one person he made a case on today hiro?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:25 GMT
#1253
On September 23 2012 05:23 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 05:21 Mementoss wrote:
On September 23 2012 05:20 austinmcc wrote:
On September 23 2012 05:18 Mementoss wrote:
Also deadline is right now. Do you not find it odd hiro left all day and came back to say k were lynching palmar now and vote palmar?

I think we've got a number of people who are doing that. I find it...really unhelpful and I wish they wouldn't. But when ange is gone for long periods of time, Palmar pops in and out, Zephirdd pops in and out and just says he's sheeping, Bluelightz is never around, and marv is entirely absent right before lynch, I don't find it "odd" that Hiro returns right now.

I think the majority of the players here are unhelpful right now for this deadline and these switches. I don't find it odd that one more is.


Do you find it odd that marv was around all the time to spam and then leaves before the lynch deadline when people are switching to the one person he made a case on today hiro?


Yes, I do. But the logical conclusion of your question is maybe pushing marv for a lynch, which I don't want to do right now. We've got enough swapping and targets right now, another is NOT going to help. This is already way too much.

But yeah, it looks bad that he seems to be gone now when lynch options include PALMAR and HIRO, who he has seemingly wanted lynched since he learned to walk.


Actually marv had hiro as town day 1 and then for the same reasons he had hiro as town he used those reasons to make hiro scum in day 2 as hapa pointed out earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:28 GMT
#1257
On September 23 2012 05:26 austinmcc wrote:
I have to go. I will try and check phone at deadline. Trying to mass swap this late in a cycle is an awful idea, especially when we don't even know who we'd swap to. Ange, fine. Palmar, fine. But then an additional swap onto Hiro for reasons that apply to half the thread is something I don't want to do.

Hiro's post on Palmar doesn't give me a clear town read on him, but...it's curious and maybe leads to a slight town read, for reasons entirely unrelated to activity. BLARKJSDKLASJDASLDKJASD. I'll read him a little closer, but I don't like the way this lynch is feeling.

1.5 days of nice happy town thread, good discussion, good targets, really useful. Then AS:DKDJASHDLJKASDHASJKLDHASDKLAHSD. AMG PALMAR CAME IN LET'S SWAP SWAP SWAP SWAP. AMG HIRO VOTE SWAP SWAP SWAP SWAP. We were so calm and useful for most of this day, and i like the decisions calm/useful town makes a lot more than I like the last minute decisions that are being considered right now.


See last minute switch onto SnB in LVII. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:38 GMT
#1264
On September 23 2012 05:31 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 05:28 Mementoss wrote:
On September 23 2012 05:26 austinmcc wrote:
I have to go. I will try and check phone at deadline. Trying to mass swap this late in a cycle is an awful idea, especially when we don't even know who we'd swap to. Ange, fine. Palmar, fine. But then an additional swap onto Hiro for reasons that apply to half the thread is something I don't want to do.

Hiro's post on Palmar doesn't give me a clear town read on him, but...it's curious and maybe leads to a slight town read, for reasons entirely unrelated to activity. BLARKJSDKLASJDASLDKJASD. I'll read him a little closer, but I don't like the way this lynch is feeling.

1.5 days of nice happy town thread, good discussion, good targets, really useful. Then AS:DKDJASHDLJKASDHASJKLDHASDKLAHSD. AMG PALMAR CAME IN LET'S SWAP SWAP SWAP SWAP. AMG HIRO VOTE SWAP SWAP SWAP SWAP. We were so calm and useful for most of this day, and i like the decisions calm/useful town makes a lot more than I like the last minute decisions that are being considered right now.


See last minute switch onto SnB in LVII. lol

See last minute D1 switches in Bureacracy. See last minute switches in probably most other games. Foolishness had a comment on it in Bureaucracy. Even though he was scum, it was a townie point to make.

It's just...it's super simple. Scum likes confusion. Scum likes being able to control town. The more craziness occurs, the more confusion and the easier you can control when town's votes are split 3-4 ways.

This may not be scum-oriented, but the fact that we had such a nice D2 for MOST of the cycle, then all of a sudden EXPLOSION into craziness makes me feel like some of this is scum-pushed.


What made me convinced to look back into Hiros filter was his vote on Palmar. It made no sense from a town point of view. He thought ange was scum made a post about why, voted her. Left all day 2 comes back at the end and says oh we are voting palmar now? And votes Palmar.

His excuse for being non-active all day was because there was nothing to discuss because he was happy with either the ange or palmar lynch. However, why would he bother to come back to switch onto palmar, when he made an explaqation on why he thought ange was scum and say this:


On September 23 2012 04:43 HiroPro wrote:
k, we lynch palmar?

kk

##Unvote
##Vote Palmar


When ange was majority and set to be lynched? To hold true with his explanation earlier there would be no reason to come into the thread because he was happy with ange getting lynched. Why did he switch off ange onto Palmar?

wifom
+ Show Spoiler +
You know who else started the day with voting ange and making a post about why with a decent post and then after ange was starting to pick up he switched onto palmar with no real reason? Marv.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:41 GMT
#1267
vote count plz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:48 GMT
#1268
mementoss vote count:

Hiro (4) - perfection, mementoss, hapa, zephridd
Palmar (3) - Hiro, marv, ange
Ange (2) - Bluelightz, austinmccc
marv (1) - Palmar

No one set to be lynched
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:49 GMT
#1269
6 required for lynch and since its only me and hapa and (austin???) in thread I don't think anyone is going to get lynched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:50 GMT
#1271
ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:50 GMT
#1272
anyone else here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:51 GMT
#1277
Hiro is not happening we need 2 more to swithc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:52 GMT
#1279
since the 3 of us can't switch to ange and get a lynch we need to lynch palmar, I don;t really think he is scum, but it will help shed light on the situation.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Palmar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:53 GMT
#1281
well since zephridd is here we could kill ange.

Ange or Palmar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:56 GMT
#1284
I think palmar will flip town, but we will see, there is a chance he will flip town adn the state of the town can't afford a no-lynch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 20:57 GMT
#1286
EBWOP: Chance he could flip scum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 21:21 GMT
#1308
gj marv u were right.

if you were telling the truth palmar roleblocked you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 21:26 GMT
#1319
On September 23 2012 06:22 Hapahauli wrote:
I think we have our scumteam somewhere in Hiro, Ange, Bluelightz.


A lil wifom, remember Hiro made his first case on GK (Palmar) and Palmar was pushing Hiro pretty hard before he died. not sure what I make of this.


On September 21 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Bluelightz isn't scummy, he's Bluelightz. If you attack him, be prepared for non-responsiveness and random shitty defense posts at the last minute, whether he's town or scum.

Iamperfection is active and aggressive enough that I no longer consider him a top scumread. I've seen him play poorly before as town so this is reasonable to say.

My current list of people I'll be pressuring going into D1 if I'm alive (which I probably will be, unless something weird happens):

HiroPro
Mkfuba07
Ange777
Palmar

The first two because they're scum, the second two because they should be good scumhunters, better than they are this game

Also marv like ange and plam

peace


Now we have a little context on this. BH last words. He must been right about more than 1 in his top 4 to die because honestly he was pretty wrong on prplhz and didn't contribute that much after that fact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 21:31 GMT
#1322
On September 23 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote:
My best bet atm is Hiro/austin


Yeah re-read the last minute when we wanted to lynch Hiro, I think austin knew there wasn't enough people to kill Hiro so thats why he was stubborn on staying on ange. He knew bluelightz and ange wouldn't be around. And you weren't around. He probably woulda expected people to come back to voting ange and never woulda expected that switch onto palmar.

This is my most likely thought right now.

Still lost on bluelightz and zeph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
September 22 2012 21:36 GMT
#1324
On September 23 2012 06:34 Zephirdd wrote:
guys guys guys
guys
listen
guys
guys

listen
guys
listeeen

remember austinmcc?
The guy who defended palmar day 2 and kinda disappeared?

Remember when austin and prplhz were about to be lynched, and then Palmar said prplhz was town? And he said austin was one of his scum reads? But he never voted austin? Remember how shitty it was his reasoning for that?

Guys, what you make of that? -_-


guyguyguyguyguy listen

remember when palmar said one of his top scum reads was hiro pro was his best scum read and then left his vote lonesome on marv?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
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