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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:03 GMT
#821
Like if you wanna call a shot on HiroPro/mkfuba over a lurker like bluelightz, don't expect it to happen if you don't tell us why.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:18 GMT
#823
A little late, but I just wanted to comment on Palmar's case on marv: I really don't get it. I don't see how it makes him scum.

First of all, there's one post in Marv's filter that screams townie to me:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=23#445

He's slightly suspicious of a bunch of people, and clearly put quite a bit of effort into the post. He's way too open, and I'd expect his scumplay to be a lot lazier, especially given his recent long string of scumgames.



Now as for Palmar's case, here's what it hinges on:
1) Marv changed his posting style when he was called out
2) Marv is not encouraging people to read the thread objectively
3) Marv's self-aware OMGUS vote
4) Marv sheeping on some "bad logic"

First off, I don't understand why 1 or 2 are scumtells. Pretty much anyone will change their posting style after being called out for it, town or scum. In addition, townies spin posts subjectively all the time - that's very common in townie D1 play.

Number 3 is a null-tell to me. There's a very legitimate chance he was just in a bad mood.

Number 4 can be scummy under the right conditions, but marv's posting otherwise (above) suggests that it's just him making observations rather than legitimately sheeping cases. Unless he keeps doing this later in the game (i'll probably be long dead by then, so someone better watch out for this), this is not a major tell on D1.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:20 GMT
#824
@ Mkfuba

I have some discussion of Bluelightz meta on pages 40/41, check 'em out. He has recent town games in GSL mini and Normal Mini III. His most recent scumgame was Normal Mini II I believe. Great thing is, these are all minis just like this game
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:23 GMT
#829
On September 21 2012 04:21 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 03:46 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 21 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote:
Mementoss is almost certainly town. If I do end up dead tonight you really, really need to take a critical look at the fact that prplhz and I agreed on reads. It's really fucking frustrating that you paint someone scum, then town proceeds to ignore you once you get shot.

Always look at everything said by the people night killed by mafia. Do so critically, but usually there is a reason the people who died, die.

I think marv needs to die tomorrow. If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. Hapahauli is confirmed town with no action so he should absolutely be protected tonight. However it's probably better that we assume there is a chance BlazingHand and I get protected because that might deter scum from shooting us.

it's very unfortunate prplhz messed up the claim but once he did it I suppose there wasn't anything to do but lynch him. We could've ended up with 2 confirmed townies. I was pretty sure they were both town, especially hapa, but really prplhz too.

The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum.

mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be.

His addition of mkfuba07 into the mix and the connections between marv and mkfuba is a very valuable addition to the thread, something I would not expect anyone that's scum to pick up on. It proves he's reading the thread with a lot of attention.

Regarding my own meta, marv is using it in the wrong way, obviously. The problem is marv seems to have a lot of time to post, so read everything said and done for it's content, not for who is yelling the loudest.


No. No not really.

also, looks like hiro and marv are both voting for austinmcc, which makes it less likely that he's scum at face value, although that's a very sketchy way to think about anything. Still, just confirms to me that it's not austin but marv we should be hanging tonight.


Doesn't look like "very little reason to think he might flip scum" to me.

To make sure I understand, are you pointing out that he admits his own reasoning is sketchy, but sticks with it anyway?


In his latest post, he basically stated that there was a very little chance of austinmcc flipping scum, and he mentioned that he pointed it out previously.

In the post that he does however, he's much more wishy-washy on his reasoning. He admits his reasoning is bad, and uses it more as a justification to lynch marv rather than saying austin isn't scum. There's no indication in that post that he things austin is townie and/or shouldn't get lynched.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:27 GMT
#830
On September 21 2012 04:21 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 01:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, like I"m comparing his mentality here to his mentality in some of his other town games. His Normal Mini III play should speak for itself (townie reads on everrrryone), but take one of his posts in GSL Mini for example:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925&currentpage=15#295
He doesn't really tunnel 1 scumread. Gives a townie, null, and slightly scummy read all in one post. There are several posts like that throughout his filter - he rarely takes a hardline "tunnel-y" opinion on someone in that game.

Or his first post in GSL:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925&currentpage=7#128
He establishes Risen as town when the whole town wants to lynch him.



The most recent scumgame I found in his filter was Normal Mini II
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=235418

He does play a fairly different meta than this game (few very long posts, etc), but I think he's displaying a similar mentality. He's very critical of people's play in his scumgame (as he was with prplzh). He's much more sure of his reads, similar to this game.

This could be a trip down meta-confirmationbais lane and I'll have to look more into it, but the mentality IMO is striking. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts.


I would disagree he seemed very unsure of his read on me in the early game this game.


I agree with you partially, and I'm not suggesting that BL is 100% scum. However, there are a lot of other things in his filter that need to be looked at. Namely his "overkill' case against prplzh, as well as his complete absence of townie reads that are so common in his other town games. He hasn't been participating in discussion much at all, and his play seems remarkably clean for someone with a "crazy" town meta.

Point is, I think that town really let him off the hook D1. He needs to be questioned, and he's blending in successfully.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:49 GMT
#832
Oh and since night deadline is in a couple of hours and I have a commute subject to traffic:

Town:
Marv (for reasons previously posted)
BlazingHand (duh)
Zeph (mega confirmation bais vs. me)
prplzh (owait.)

Null-ish:
Ange (:effort: making me lean town on her)
mkfuba (leaning town for reasons posted in thread - too open with thought process)
Mementoss (null)
Hiro (nullz)
austinmcc (nullzzzzz)

scum:
Bluelightz
Palmar

I'll try to work out some of those null reads before the deadline. Should have a half an hour or so before the deadline to work on things.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:52 GMT
#835
Oh throw iamperfection in the null category as well. Workin on some stuff
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:53 GMT
#836
On September 21 2012 04:51 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 04:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh and since night deadline is in a couple of hours and I have a commute subject to traffic:

Town:
Marv (for reasons previously posted)
BlazingHand (duh)
Zeph (mega confirmation bais vs. me)
prplzh (owait.)

Null-ish:
Ange (:effort: making me lean town on her)
mkfuba (leaning town for reasons posted in thread - too open with thought process)
Mementoss (null)
Hiro (nullz)
austinmcc (nullzzzzz)

scum:
Bluelightz
Palmar

I'll try to work out some of those null reads before the deadline. Should have a half an hour or so before the deadline to work on things.


Could you elaborate more why you think MKfuba is town? I think the fear he has with posting openly has clearly painted him scum.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=37#736
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 19:59 GMT
#840
On September 21 2012 04:58 marvellosity wrote:
Hapa, what made you nullify your read on Mementoss?


Seems to have a clear conscience. Didn't really get caught up in the accusations against him and continued to scumhunt. I'd actually lean town on him tbh.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 20:00 GMT
#841
On September 21 2012 04:57 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 04:53 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 21 2012 04:51 Mementoss wrote:
On September 21 2012 04:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh and since night deadline is in a couple of hours and I have a commute subject to traffic:

Town:
Marv (for reasons previously posted)
BlazingHand (duh)
Zeph (mega confirmation bais vs. me)
prplzh (owait.)

Null-ish:
Ange (:effort: making me lean town on her)
mkfuba (leaning town for reasons posted in thread - too open with thought process)
Mementoss (null)
Hiro (nullz)
austinmcc (nullzzzzz)

scum:
Bluelightz
Palmar

I'll try to work out some of those null reads before the deadline. Should have a half an hour or so before the deadline to work on things.


Could you elaborate more why you think MKfuba is town? I think the fear he has with posting openly has clearly painted him scum.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=37#736


Before he made that post on austin though he made a much weaker one, his filter generally gives me a feel of him being scared to post then deciding to post later. The post on me was a different way of wording what other people have already said. Hard to tell though.


Oh haha, it's funny cause I looked at his post on you again, and he actually answered the wrong question from marv. Marv asked him for his read on austinmcc, and he provided a read on you.

No idea what it means, but worth noting. I'll have to do some more thinking on mkfuba.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 20:03 GMT
#843
Ok actually this post by mkfuba is really freggin weird.

On September 20 2012 03:56 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 02:58 marvellosity wrote:
On September 20 2012 02:56 mkfuba07 wrote:
EBWOP: "He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them until after he's posted the list." I feel like at that point it's not even a summary, it's just a list of people who don't have to worry about being pressured by prplhz.


Sorry for posting so much right now. I believe I have class during the deadline, and while I will have access to a computer for the later half of it, I can't guarantee that I'll have time to keep posting then.


As your vote is currently on austinmcc, care to comment on his case and what you make of his recent activity?

Absolutely!

I think the most convincing thing about it is the overall feeling that MMToss isn't really pressuring his scumreads. He hasn't said much about prplhz since the vote until his post about marv and I being suspicious together. I actually forgot that he even had his vote on him. Austinmcc didn't feel particularly pressured. And despite feeling like MMToss should be voting for me instead of prplhz based on his posting so far, I don't feel particularly pressured by him. He seems to be kind of passively throwing around suspicion, but keeping his vote firmly set on prplhz without any force behind it. I'm not sure if this is necessarily scummy (I know, wishy-washy), but I don't feel like it's consistent with MMToss's town play (the limited amount that I have experienced).

Gotta switch classrooms... I'll take another look at austin's recent posts and comment when I'm settled in the other room. Sorry about that :<


Marv asked him for his read on austinmcc.

"Absolutely!"
"MMtoss is playing strange..."
"I'll look at austin later"

Wat?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 20:09 GMT
#847
Yeah see I wasn't around too much late yesterday =(
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 20:17 GMT
#851
On September 21 2012 05:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 05:09 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah see I wasn't around too much late yesterday =(


order of things to do: read things and THEN comment, rather than comment and find out it's been said


Blah blah blah yeah yeah yeah...
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 20:19 GMT
#853
Anywho, off to the train station.

Updated list:

Town:
Marv (for reasons previously posted)
BlazingHand (duh)
Zeph (mega confirmation bais vs. me)
prplzh (owait.)

Null-ish:
Ange (:effort: making me lean town on her)
Mementoss (leaning town for reasons posted in thread)
austinmcc (slightly townie - effortz, townie response to case against him early)
Hiro (nullz)
iamperfection (sorta scummy, mostly his vote here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&currentpage=27#526 - not sure if he's scumhunting or not)
mkfuba (leaning scum)

scum:
Bluelightz
Palmar

Peace out folks
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 21:03 GMT
#879
poo.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 21:03 GMT
#880
unfortunate news to return to.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#883
On September 21 2012 06:04 Mementoss wrote:
well this is shit on 2 levels
it doesn't confirm me town at all
and i didn't hit scum.


It doesnt?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 21:06 GMT
#885
On September 21 2012 06:06 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 21 2012 06:04 Mementoss wrote:
well this is shit on 2 levels
it doesn't confirm me town at all
and i didn't hit scum.


It doesnt?

SK


SK's gonna claim vigi D1? Doubt it.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 21:08 GMT
#887
On September 21 2012 06:06 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 06:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 21 2012 06:04 Mementoss wrote:
well this is shit on 2 levels
it doesn't confirm me town at all
and i didn't hit scum.


It doesnt?


Mafia should have 2 kp if 3 players


or 1 kp SK and 1 kp mafia


uh no?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 20 2012 21:20 GMT
#893
##Vote Bluelightz

To get things started. I've said all I've need to say, and he's my top scumread for now, with Palmar a close second.
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