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On September 20 2012 05:42 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm still in class, but I finally have a chance to post.
I was leaning towards removing my vote before I had to swich classes, but I didn't want to just unvote and leave without having a chance to say why. Most of my arguments for him were addressed with his recent posting. He has become more active and, I may just be easily swayed (hell, I know I am) but he seems sincere in his recent scumhunting.
##Unvote
##Vote prplhz
I actually think that I would be happier with a MMToss lynch, but at the moment the only options appear to be austin and prplhz, and I'm liking austin more right now.
Oh hai there scum.
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Oh geezus goddamn christ I misread your post.
"liking austin more right now" = thinking austin is more townie as opposed to thinking austin is more scummy.
Anywho, surprised marv sheeped me on that one.
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On September 20 2012 07:22 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh geezus goddamn christ I misread your post.
"liking austin more right now" = thinking austin is more townie as opposed to thinking austin is more scummy.
Anywho, surprised marv sheeped me on that one. Marv was discussing lynching fuba before you brought up that post.
No no no, I mean I thought marv would have corrected me on that or something. He's usually very big on attacking bad logic.
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On September 20 2012 07:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh geezus goddamn christ I misread your post.
"liking austin more right now" = thinking austin is more townie as opposed to thinking austin is more scummy.
Anywho, surprised marv sheeped me on that one. what you think of ange?
Not caught up enough in the thread. I've been out most of the day and I haven't analyzed the chunk of pages around 22-26 or something. I think ange has two of her bigger posts around then, and I'll take a look tonight.
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On September 20 2012 08:12 Palmar wrote:
What the hell happened with the claim...
Anyway dumb lynch. I'll post later.
That's for the post-game rage =/
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Yeah I'm around for the next hour. Pretty tired, but I'll probably post a scumread or two before I go to bed.
Off the top of my head, I still want MMtoss dead. Fact of the matter is that he voted prplzh early and never pursued his read.
Votes him here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250&user=149074
He mentions him twice until I call him out for it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=11#207
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=24#475 (last paragraph)
He never gives clear reasoning for his suspicions. He never attempts to question prplzh, his top scumread. He's content to push suspicion on several players (making his reads and reasoning known on each) without so much as a mention of prplzh.
Like look at this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=23#441
Look how willing he is to comment on suspicion against mkfuba and marvellosity... yet his reads on prplzh are nowhere to be found.
I also find his actions near the lynch deadline to be quite strange. His first comment after the Nightpost:
On September 20 2012 06:03 Mementoss wrote:
vote for worst claim in history both timing and context.
He then proceeds to buddy me with incredibly obvious comments:
On September 20 2012 06:03 Mementoss wrote:
Alright Hapa pretty confirmed?
On September 20 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 06:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Also wasn't planning on prplhz claiming vigi. Bit of an IRC miscommunication there. Oh wellz.
Time to re-evaluate some reads in the last few pages. People who honestly thought we were scum after the screwed up claim get some townie points. Yeah you claiming before the flip was good because you confirmed yourself. Prphlhz claiming vig not so good.
On September 20 2012 08:07 Mementoss wrote:Since we both have a scum read on MKfuba who would your 2nd best scum read be atm.
But what's interesting most interesting is how active he is after the lynch deadline, as opposed to his complete silence before the deadline. All the other active members of the thread commented on the badly executed mason claim in the posting frenzy in the last ten minutes. Mementoss just sat there and watched. Coupled with his sudden activity right after the thread and the content of his posts, I think this is scummy.
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Since we're all talking about Palmar, this is what I think:
On September 20 2012 04:21 Palmar wrote:
I don't even understand this game anymore.
Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses.
mementoss is probably not scum.
marv and austinmcc both have a good chance of being scum, but I feel considerably better about marv. It's also very strange how hard it is to get any kind of a train rolling against marv. I've already explained why this guy is the one that needs to hang today.
Can we consolidate there, please?
So vote austin when he's Palmar's 2nd scumread and Palmar believes prplzh is obvious town, right?
On September 20 2012 04:43 Palmar wrote:
Fuck it. I'm off for a bit.
[b]I'll rather no-lynch than do a dumb lynch so see you guys later.[b]
Nope.
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I'll retract on Mementoss for now, and I think Bluelightz is worth taking a look at.
Bluelightz has two substantial posts in his filter:
Case on Mementoss ----> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=9#179
He states that Mementoss isn't contributing, then proceeds to quote like 10 of his posts. More importantly, this was all on day 1, where mementoss's activity levels were acceptable by any standard.
Case on Prplzh ----> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=25#484
This is a really interesting case, because nowhere in the case does he say that Prplzh is "scummy" or is scum. He repeatedly mentions how certain aspects of prplzh's play upsets him ("ticks him off", yadda yadda), but it's not clear if he's even voting prplzh because he's scummy.
It also seems somewhat of an "overkill" case. At that point in the game, prplzh was the clear leading vote candidate with plenty of cases out there against him. Making some gigantic summary post wanting to lynch prplzh is completely unnecessary and reads like an attempt to fake a contribution.
In addition, he has zero interaction with his #1 scum read.
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Well actually, you had that quote in Normal Mini III about Bluelightz meta - he's obsessed with town when he's town, and scum when he's scum. Now I know you were scum that game, but I'm curious if you think that read is accurate?
Worth noting that Buelightz has no town reads this game.
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Yeah, like I"m comparing his mentality here to his mentality in some of his other town games. His Normal Mini III play should speak for itself (townie reads on everrrryone), but take one of his posts in GSL Mini for example:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=15#295
He doesn't really tunnel 1 scumread. Gives a townie, null, and slightly scummy read all in one post. There are several posts like that throughout his filter - he rarely takes a hardline "tunnel-y" opinion on someone in that game.
Or his first post in GSL:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=7#128
He establishes Risen as town when the whole town wants to lynch him.
The most recent scumgame I found in his filter was Normal Mini II
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=235418
He does play a fairly different meta than this game (few very long posts, etc), but I think he's displaying a similar mentality. He's very critical of people's play in his scumgame (as he was with prplzh). He's much more sure of his reads, similar to this game.
This could be a trip down meta-confirmationbais lane and I'll have to look more into it, but the mentality IMO is striking. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts.
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On September 21 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote:On September 21 2012 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:
Well actually, you had that quote in Normal Mini III about Bluelightz meta - he's obsessed with town when he's town, and scum when he's scum. Now I know you were scum that game, but I'm curious if you think that read is accurate?
Worth noting that Buelightz has no town reads this game. That would be the most compelling evidence, I think. Even in GSL he voted a 'null' read on Day 1 because everyone else seemed town. On the flip side to this (talking to myself here), Bluelightz backing down off Mementoss like that is a typical BL town thing to do.
Any examples? After looking at his meta a bit, I'd expect townie bluelightz to give a town read on Mementoss at some point in the game.
Really I find it odd that he tunneled prplzh without giving opinions on any of the other lynch candidates.
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Eh? I just read that and that's not what happened at all:
1st post:
On August 22 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:Hello, Bluelightz is here  . I have suspicions on Obvious which I will outline in my next post.
2nd post:
On August 22 2012 10:59 Bluelightz wrote:Nevermind my Obvious suspicions, his response is towny. Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 10:54 Obvious.660 wrote:On August 22 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:Hello, Bluelightz is here . I have suspicions on Obvious which I will outline in my next post. Sweet. I was getting bored. His response is towny because of this (that he has time, he's spending time to discuss stuff with town).
He then posts 1 or two more things on Obvious then gets caught up in defending himself, jumping around votes and suspicions. He finally votes obvious on the lastminute bandwagon, but follows it up with this:
On August 24 2012 10:41 Bluelightz wrote:
I'd love jumping to chez, but imma make a quick case first on him.
Just a remarkably different mentality - much less sure of himself, and much more open with his reads.
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EBWOP:
Eh? I just read that and that's not what happened at all:
Referring to...
I don't find that odd in the slightest, to be honest.
In NMM3 he called Obvious scum, Obvious made some response, Bluelightz backed down immediately.
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On September 21 2012 01:59 HiroPro wrote:
Bluelightz's play is not similar to NMM2, lol. I cohosted that game. I haven't payed much attention to his town games (other than WOF, which is an aberration for him), so I dunno about that part.
I remember in NMM2 he was forcing his reads so hard. Like it was obvious that he was going after someone just to look like he was doing something.
The way to catch him is when he slips (he slipped hard that game in the VE-slOosh lynch). Connections work too.
But I haven't see anything from him this game that's really alignment-indicative.
This is what his case on prplzh reads like to me.
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Oh 'fair nuff. Needless to say I don't think he's guaranteed scum by any means, but his play has a pretty different mentality from his past town games. His play is quite different post-length wise from his scumgames as well, but I think there are some similarities between the two.
Overall, I just really want to hear more from him. Town really let him get away with sitting back and taking obvious stances this game.
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On September 21 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote:
Mementoss is almost certainly town. If I do end up dead tonight you really, really need to take a critical look at the fact that prplhz and I agreed on reads. It's really fucking frustrating that you paint someone scum, then town proceeds to ignore you once you get shot.
Always look at everything said by the people night killed by mafia. Do so critically, but usually there is a reason the people who died, die.
I think marv needs to die tomorrow. If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. Hapahauli is confirmed town with no action so he should absolutely be protected tonight. However it's probably better that we assume there is a chance BlazingHand and I get protected because that might deter scum from shooting us.
it's very unfortunate prplhz messed up the claim but once he did it I suppose there wasn't anything to do but lynch him. We could've ended up with 2 confirmed townies. I was pretty sure they were both town, especially hapa, but really prplhz too.
The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum.
mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be.
His addition of mkfuba07 into the mix and the connections between marv and mkfuba is a very valuable addition to the thread, something I would not expect anyone that's scum to pick up on. It proves he's reading the thread with a lot of attention.
Regarding my own meta, marv is using it in the wrong way, obviously. The problem is marv seems to have a lot of time to post, so read everything said and done for it's content, not for who is yelling the loudest.
No. No not really.
also, looks like hiro and marv are both voting for austinmcc, which makes it less likely that he's scum at face value, although that's a very sketchy way to think about anything. Still, just confirms to me that it's not austin but marv we should be hanging tonight.
Doesn't look like "very little reason to think he might flip scum" to me.
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Btw, waddya think of Bluelightz Palmar? He's one player that could be considered a lurker, yet you haven't considered shooting him for whatever reason.
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