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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 00:54 GMT
#940
On September 20 2012 06:44 Ange777 wrote:
I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now.

she also never gave her read on fuba like she said she was going to do but i guess thats mute at this point.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 01:58 GMT
#959
On September 21 2012 10:16 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, this isn't a test, did you think prplhz would flip scum right up to when he didn't?

i thought he was town untill the fake claim screw up.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 02:00 GMT
#961
On September 21 2012 10:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 10:58 iamperfection wrote:
On September 21 2012 10:16 marvellosity wrote:
iamp, this isn't a test, did you think prplhz would flip scum right up to when he didn't?

i thought he was town untill the fake claim screw up.


yeah, that wasn't the question, but it doesn't matter so much now.

??????????????????????????????????????????
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 02:48 GMT
#967
On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote:
As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him.

iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player.

As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me.

This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive.

IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either.

The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions.

And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess.

I want to see what everyone has to say about ange.

wtf is this.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 02:51 GMT
#968
also your points about me make no sense im not those players.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 02:54 GMT
#971
On September 21 2012 11:53 marvellosity wrote:
just bad actually

how bad

bad bad
or
scum bad
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 02:55 GMT
#973
feel free to chim in any time zeph
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 02:56 GMT
#974
chime
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 03:01 GMT
#980
On September 21 2012 11:59 Zephirdd wrote:
huuuh I guess I wasn't too straight with that post huh.

ok.

1. The voting and the meta are no reasons to call IMP town. His latest posts during the night(questioning ange and stuff), however, are.

2. Ange is looking bad(aka likely scum) when reading all those cases you made. I think she has a decent chance to flip scum.

I want to see what other players(Hiro, Bluez, Palmar, ...) have to say about Ange.

Oh and I just realized I straight up contradicted myself on my post.

Show nested quote +
iamperfection is my main scum read
...
The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions.


So let me explain this. He was my main scum read, and when I tried to look up his filter in order to make a decent case, I changed my mind. I didn't change the first sentences of that post though. Sorry.

so who is you main scum read then?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 03:01 GMT
#981
i see
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 03:23 GMT
#984
On September 21 2012 12:06 Zephirdd wrote:
I like my zephirdd rule T_T and I like to be more thinky on day 2. Turns out I don't like my main scum read anymore and the one that has a shitton of evidence on her head looked green to me during day 1. It's not that easy to chew all of this.

Logically everything you made make sense and I can't deny. I just need some time to absorb it.

Also I'm compiling a list of people's relations to Ange to hold them accountable. maybe I should do that about mkfuba too, but I guess anything people said could be at most a null tell since so many people seem to have thought mkfuba was scum.

Well, let's see what I find

seems like you want to hold everone accountable except yourself. ill come back to this in the morning.

@ange
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 13:40 GMT
#1003
On September 21 2012 22:32 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, you do need to, because otherwise Ange will get lynched. And then we will lynch you next for being useless.

Tell us how her actions around the lynch time can be viewed with a townie perspective. "No" simply isn't good enough.


So let's say Ange gets lynched and flips town, are you going to try and lynch me for being useless.

I don't think there's enough dumb players in this game. In fact, connecting an unrevealed lynch like that to me somehow is just reinforcing my belief that you should die today. You're basically already planning for the next move after Ange gets mislynched. Fuck that, I'm not allowing you to do that.

##Vote marvellosity

@Restoftown:

Here's a very simple reason for this vote. Marv just made a post where he's planning on how to proceed in the game without considering the results of his current plan right now, which is indicative of him having additional information that we don't have, ie already knowing how an Ange lynch will end.

didnt zeph do the same thing with regards to me in planning for the next day?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 20:29 GMT
#1081
On September 14 2012 14:23 Ange777 wrote:
GG scum Especially well played by Keir!!!

I've never been nightkilled before, observing the game from the sidelines was somehow really frustrating especially with the low activity. I don't know if I'd have been able to catch both scum but I'm sure that at least I'd have been able to push for more activity ^^ It was sad that I had started to give my first better read on Zeph and not on another player, maybe that would have been more useful


My vote isnt going anywhere. That was from gsl open mini at the end of the game. She should have said a lot more with this much suspicion on her.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 20:41 GMT
#1084
On September 22 2012 05:38 Mementoss wrote:
zzzzzzzzzzzzz ange's last post 29 hours ago.

Before the suspicion on her the longest she was inactive from this game was about 13 hours.

should we alert the authorties? get search teams together?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 22:05 GMT
#1115
Vote Count please
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 23:39 GMT
#1122
On September 22 2012 08:36 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +

My cases don't target people that are easy targets. Take prplhz for example, he did call me scummy. And I have not made a case on mkfuba. I had simply announced that I would re-read his filter. I started to question Palmar. I don't think that you would call him an easy target would you?


rofl

ya what?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 21 2012 23:42 GMT
#1124
@ ange

i believe someone pointed out you usally are never this inactive for a period of time do you have any explanation?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 00:02 GMT
#1131
On September 22 2012 09:01 Ange777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote:
On September 22 2012 08:12 Ange777 wrote:
have missed something. But please rather sooner than later cause otherwise I'll go to sleep first.

What would your read be on me if all you had was the TOO obvious post and the prplhz vote post?

What is your current read on mementoss?

If you had to choose a lynch target for today that wasn't you, palmar, or marv, who would you be looking at and why?

If we weren't playing mafia, and everyone in this thread was actually a mountain (except you), who would be the tallest mountain? Which mountain would have the most wildlife living on it?


Read on you before was null/town. Now it's town.

Current read on Mementoss is scummy. He accuses me of only making a case on a player who was already under suspicion from a lot of players. Same can be said for him. And I don't think his case has any merit, it seems more like his quote

Show nested quote +
I could go over each point again but read this case and tell me it seems like ange is trying hard to find scum or just pulling posts out of the filter and making commentary.


can be applied to him as well. Especially the Smiley part of his case is just ridiculous. I can't get the thought out of my head that he is simply looking for things in my filter that he can turn scummy like the smiley.

To be honest, I have not read through the latest pages that closely (it really is late) and I would like to re-read them before making my choice. But if I can't pick Palmar (I wouldn't lynch marv, I still have a nullish read on him) it would be one of Mementoss or iamperfection. Mementoss for this absolutely weird case and iamperfection for not contributing at all until being called out by me.

Tallest mountain? iamperfection. Most wildlife? Zeph

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On September 22 2012 08:42 iamperfection wrote:
@ ange

i believe someone pointed out you usally are never this inactive for a period of time do you have any explanation?


I don't know if you want to hear about my real life issues ... if it helps I was excessively inactive in Newbie Mafia XV and I was town.

read the thread
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 00:03 GMT
#1132
On September 21 2012 06:00 Mementoss wrote:
Leader of da Band


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James Hetfield - One of the greatest frontmen of all time


Sup I'm the leader of da band.

When I initially got this role my strategy was to wait until night 3 to shoot, because that is when I always die and I confirmed the shot would still go through. I wanted to do this because I thought it would increase my odds a lot to hit scum.

Night 1 Odds 1/11 ( 1 Dead 1 Me)

Night 2 Odds 1/8 (4 Dead 1 me)

Night 3 Odds 1/5 (7 dead 1 me)

But this relied on too much assumptions. Not ever lynching scum, not getting role blocked, mafia shots going through ever night etc.

Why I decided to shoot tonight:

Well I felt quiet a bit of pressure throughout a lot of day 1 from probably 4ish players. Throughout the night phase people were still discussing their reads on me and I didn't really like that. Not because I thought I would be lynched day 2, but because I think it wastes a lot of potential time hunting actual scum. Also, I thought my shot could give a solid stance on the person I shot and time wouldn't be wasted on discussing their lynch. Basically to get town on good track to a scum lynch day 2.

How I decided who to shoot and who I shot:

Who I Couldn't shoot:
Marv
Palmar
Hapa
BH

Why? Pretty simple, I don't want my shot to stack and they are pretty popular targets tonight imo.

So that limits it down a little.

Too null to shoot:
Ange
IamPerfection
Zephridd

Too null for me to shoot. In Ange's case I think she can be really useful to the town if shes town, and if shes scum I think we will have enough posts to analyse to take her down. I actually considered shooting Iamperfection, just for the fact that I don't want his random shit around anymore I don't want him around at lylo situation. But I decided against it, despite what people say I still think he wouldn't quiet have the balls to bring that much attention to himself as a noob scum. Zephridd is same case as Ange, I think if hes scum he posts enough that he will fuck up and we can lynch him.

Who I really considered shooting in order of most to least:
MKFuba
HiroPro
BL

MKfuba, though slightly more active than the other 2 has really caught my eye as scummy from his starting post. Throughout his filter he seems scared to post anything and delays on posting. He picks out easy things to post about. He would likely be part of the day 2 discussion at least in my mind.

Hiro, always a hard motherfucker to read imo. I went through his filter and everything seems genuine he's doing his own thing and seems open and honest, glad I read his filter because Im leaning a bit town on him.

Bluelightz, from what I've heard you don't really want him around at lylo and his case on me was bad, and I don't think hes going to be able to convince anyone of scum with cases like that. His meta apparently shows that hes more sure and critical as scum and more unsure as town. He seemed unsure on my case but on the prplhz case he seemed really aggressive and very critical and sure. He also has been lurking the hardest so the shot wouldn't be wasted.

In the end I went with my gut and shot MKFuba. Now at least tomorrow will be productive I will be confirmed and scumkfuba will be out of the game.

If my shot doesn't go through:

I was either
a) roleblocked, which I will be notified of and its fine, other than it makes me look more scummier than ever

or

b) I hit SK. If my shot doesnt go through and I was not notified of being role blocked. The lynch 100% needs to be on Mk to kill off the SK who chose night immunity.

Thats all folks, my first time being vig and it was pressureful. I hope I hit scum, but at the very least, I hope this will help propel day 2 into an ideal scum hunting atmosphere and a fresh start to the game.

TLDR I SHOT MKFUBA

Kicked out of the band

I googled scum mkfuba and this picture came up
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[image loading]

Not sure what it means though.

he is this or sk only possiblity.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
September 22 2012 00:05 GMT
#1136
On September 22 2012 09:04 Ange777 wrote:
Wasn't scum KP 2?

what?
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