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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 20:57 GMT
#658
## unvote
## Vote prplhz
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 20:57 GMT
#665
wtf how could that happen?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#671
because they must be a liar to screw up that much
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 20:59 GMT
#674
On September 20 2012 05:58 prplhz wrote:
i can't believe people aren't unvoting in face of mason claim

my vigilante claim was a troll jesus christ

the WTF WERE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT TO MESS UP THAT MUCH.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#702
LOL
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 21:26 GMT
#721
On September 20 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote:
Why are you ninja voting iamperfection???

Why did you think it was wierd that i was changing my vote?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 21:45 GMT
#725
On September 20 2012 06:42 Ange777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 06:26 iamperfection wrote:
On September 20 2012 05:58 Ange77javascript:tlpdize('reply_area')7 wrote:
Why are you ninja voting iamperfection???

Why did you think it was wierd that i was changing my vote?


Because I don't understand your voting behaviour. When we were criticising you for sheeping with your town reads you were confident enough that they would find scum and only this made you actually vote yourself?



so someone makes a vig claim and then someone makes a mason claim and your biggest question is why did iamperfection change his vote?????????????

dont you think it was pretty obvious why i would change at that moment?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 21:46 GMT
#726
On September 20 2012 06:44 Ange777 wrote:
I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now.

how dare you
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 19 2012 22:22 GMT
#730
On September 20 2012 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh geezus goddamn christ I misread your post.

"liking austin more right now" = thinking austin is more townie as opposed to thinking austin is more scummy.

Anywho, surprised marv sheeped me on that one.

what you think of ange?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 20 2012 13:57 GMT
#764
@palmar
why dont you answer to marvs point he made here

On September 20 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote:
my problem with Palmar, actually, is that although his play has been similar in respects to NMM3, in others it has not.

Like, he's pursued me and ragequit and been an arse in a general townie way, but look at this:

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 19:05 Palmar wrote:
Okay, I have a lot of things to catch up on.

I have a theory that GM trolled me this game, and everyone rolled scum, that's how you guys seem to be playing anyway.

VisceraEyes is the key to this game. Early on I suspected him heavily of being scum, but his constant flip-flopping and random attacks, along with a surprisingly well thought out accusation of Lvdr made me rethink my stance on him, and at the moment I'm going to risk counting him among town. So now that I've put VisceraEyes in the town category, it's time to start thinking about how people connect to him, and have reacted to his presence.

I'd like to congratulate the scumteam though, there's not a single one of you completely obvious by now, which is strange.

Lvdr:

Lvdr does have a few weird things in his filter indeed:

On August 22 2012 11:46 Lvdr wrote:
@Palmar You've gone all silent on me. I have questions.

Do you think there is no reason to be looking at the players at the moment?

If the day was ending today, who would you vote, and why?


Recycling my questions is hardly relevant, especially since he was the one claiming the game was in "downtime". Which to any sane townie should mean that the heat needed to be turned on, instead of just accepting shitty play. This doesn't make him scum though, he might just have no idea how the game works.

Asking for an explanation of the random lynch strategy is dumb, but I've seen enough dumb people do it to not try to link it to him being scum.

I also hate the constant ##FOS bullshit, it's pointless, no one gives a fuck about what you suspect if you have nothing to act on it.

Lvdr has multiple things that make me think he might be scum. And the point VisceraEyes made about him assuming VE is town, is actually quite valid. The problem is that once again there's a chance Lvdr might just be a townie who assumes VE is town.


talismaniac:

Very little content. He's been completely non-commital throughout the game. There exists a connection between him and Lvdr, in the form of talismaniac sheeping VE immediately based on the "scumslip" that happened. This doesn't necessarily mean they cannot both be scum (lvdr and talis), but it makes it less likely.

talis also has an extremely large percentage of his posts focused somehow on VE, I'm not sure what to make of it.

If we do default to a lurker lynch, I think talis should be the one hanging, he's basically done nothing through the game.

Obvious:

This is the problem when play with new people, I have no idea how bad obvious is at mafia.

List of obvious's achievements this game:

1. talk like yoda for a bit
2. talk about policy lynches
3. post an analysis on kville, basically rehashing what had already been said
4. try to lynch me on dumb policy anyway.

Here's the problem. Obvious's play is completely fucking terrible. the question remains, is he scum because of it? He's basically throwing away any intention of actually trying to scumhunt by wanting to lynch me based on the fact that I want to randomly lynch a guy on day 1.

Now everyone knows by now that the random lynch has nothing to do with alignment, it's been suggested by townies and scum throughout tl mafia games, and the effort involved is simply typing "hey let's random lynch, ok guys?". It's a complete and utter null tell about someone's alignment.

What is interesting is that Obvious has completely neglected to look at my play beyond that notion. If you want to lynch someone, you have to look at what he has done in the game. Trying to lynch me is not scummy, per se, it's how he's trying to lynch me.

Can someone who's played with obvious before tell me just how bad he is? Like you have to be pretty fucking bad to think this kind of playing is valid, but I've lynched terrible townies before...

marv

Fuck you marv, if I had a gun I'd shoot you for being useless and terrible.

Shady

Having not played with him before and knowing nothing about the guy, I wrote him off as a pointless townie. Some people seem to be suggesting that he might be much more outspoken when he's town.

There's a link between shady and ve, it's very unlikely they're scum together, but seeing as I think VE is town, that's kind of redundant.

He might well be scum, for all I know, but not knowing his meta there's nothing glaringly obvious about his play at the moment.

Kville

Strange one, similar position to obivous. He came into the thread in the worst possible way, but I like his attitude after fucking up. There's no persistance on the marv vote, he's willing to reconsider his stances and such.

I already explained how I felt about him coming into the thread here:

On August 22 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote:
Kville it's not an unreasonable thing to do by marv to cast his vote on you, when at the time you had simply not posted in the thread.

While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum.

Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you?



I'm going to roll the dice on town for this guy.





I'll probably write more and make a decision what I want to lynch

at the moment I'm leaning obvious.



Like genuine, constructive opinions on a number of players. Here we have "lol prplhz town you asses lol long post" and that's about it.


also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 20 2012 15:11 GMT
#776
On September 21 2012 00:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, I'm fairly sure Palmar actually opposed the prplhz wagon, since he was pushing to get you lynched, Marv.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Scum have the information advantage remember..........................................................................................
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 20 2012 15:15 GMT
#779
On September 21 2012 00:13 Blazinghand wrote:
you know what iamperfection I'm going to be uncharacteristically civil with you.

try reading the rest of the post and the post after it. Basically, If Palmar had been putting in full Palmar effort in the case, it'd be a town-tell. Since his case and his defense of prplhz are not, it is not.

So why dont you just straight up say what you think of palmar you seem to have played a lot of games with him stop being a tease and just tell us.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 20 2012 19:21 GMT
#826
On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:
Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet.

Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection.

@iamperfection:

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On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.


What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it.

And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand.

Two possibilities:

1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him.

2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".

Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour.

I like how you didnt answer the question........

I was going crazy when the claims went out. I hold hapa in pretty high regard for both his scum play (although he lowerd himself a couple of pegs after that fiasco) so i thought they were both scum immediatly when i saw that. I just couldnt see hapa screwing up that much. To me your questioning of me at that point of time was scum motivated because i think all other town members should have thought that hapa and prphlz were scum.

in regards to the bold
You give me to much credit im not smart enough to hatch a scheme like that.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 20 2012 22:35 GMT
#909
On September 21 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
yeah I hope to god iamp is town, and basically agree with your read on him. He's not really very useful at all but I kinda enjoy his posts anyway.

thanks?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 21 2012 00:21 GMT
#926
On September 21 2012 09:01 austinmcc wrote:
Hapa, mull this post over along with the timing. I think this is much more likely to be a genuine misunderstanding, but it's her response to iam when asked about her actions around the deadline. I found the answer she gave interesting.

Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:
@iamperfection:

On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.


What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it.

And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand.

Two possibilities:

1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him.

2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".

Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour.


When asked about what was going through her head at deadline, she discusses iam's ninja vote 2 minutes before deadline.

We know she was in thread because she posted with 3 minutes to go asking prplhz that question. With 2 minutes to go she picks up on iamperfection's vote --> watching thread. But then nothing, and either misinterprets or dodges the question from iam here.

I saw this as well i think ange. would have much easiier time explaining her thinking if she was town. Like i said before i think all the other town member should have had red flares going up when they saw a botched claim like. Maybe im being unreasonable but i think her post there was more of pushing of an agenda instead of just explaining her thought process.

I would have expected her to say something along the lines of i was confused or something along the lines of i didnt know wtf was going on.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 21 2012 00:24 GMT
#928
and just so im being clear im fine with lynch of blue or ange
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 21 2012 00:25 GMT
#930
On September 21 2012 09:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you say it was overkill? It wasn't that long.

The one thing I noticed, actually, was that he opened both the Sinensis and prplhz cases here up with

Case

I find that kinda interesting. But obviously it's not very strong. Quickly browsing through GSL/NMM3 I don't see him doing that there.


"Overkill" in the sense that it was unnecessary. It's not like his case against prplzh was long either - it was just completely unnecessary considering the town atmosphere. There was a lot of suspicion on prplzh well in the open and posted by several players.

Instead of just voting for prplzh/sinensis, he made it a point to really "justify" his vote and lay out is rationale by summarizing a bunch of other points against his target.

is there a reason we can just ask bluelightz to explain his actions or would it be likely that he aint gonna give an answer regardless of his alignment?
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 21 2012 00:31 GMT
#932
ebowp
'cant
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 21 2012 00:40 GMT
#935
[b]## Vote Ange77[b]

I happily join you.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
September 21 2012 00:40 GMT
#936
## vote ange77
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