EBWOP: "He mentions them elsewhere, but doesn't explain them until after he's posted the list." I feel like at that point it's not even a summary, it's just a list of people who don't have to worry about being pressured by prplhz.

Sorry for posting so much right now. I believe I have class during the deadline, and while I will have access to a computer for the later half of it, I can't guarantee that I'll have time to keep posting then.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

September 19 2012 18:56 GMT

#532

On September 20 2012 02:58 marvellosity wrote:

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As your vote is currently on austinmcc, care to comment on his case and what you make of his recent activity?

Absolutely!

I think the most convincing thing about it is the overall feeling that MMToss isn't really pressuring his scumreads. He hasn't said much about prplhz since the vote until his post about marv and I being suspicious together. I actually forgot that he even had his vote on him. Austinmcc didn't feel particularly pressured. And despite feeling like MMToss should be voting for me instead of prplhz based on his posting so far, I don't feel particularly pressured by him. He seems to be kind of passively throwing around suspicion, but keeping his vote firmly set on prplhz without any force behind it. I'm not sure if this is necessarily scummy (I know, wishy-washy), but I don't feel like it's consistent with MMToss's town play (the limited amount that I have experienced).

Gotta switch classrooms... I'll take another look at austin's recent posts and comment when I'm settled in the other room. Sorry about that :<

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

September 19 2012 20:42 GMT

#622

I'm still in class, but I finally have a chance to post.

I was leaning towards removing my vote before I had to swich classes, but I didn't want to just unvote and leave without having a chance to say why. Most of my arguments for him were addressed with his recent posting. He has become more active and, I may just be easily swayed (hell, I know I am) but he seems sincere in his recent scumhunting.

##Unvote
##Vote prplhz

I actually think that I would be happier with a MMToss lynch, but at the moment the only options appear to be austin and prplhz, and I'm liking austin more right now.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

September 19 2012 22:16 GMT

#727

On September 20 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:

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Oh hai there scum.

Not sure how that makes me scum. I pretty much made the same decision you did at the end, though we were coming from opposite directions. Of the two, we both voted for our more null read. Unlike you, I didn't have a confirmed townie to make the choice extra easy.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

September 19 2012 22:22 GMT

#731

Sorry, I have a tendency to say things in the perfect way to be misinterpreted. It's my curse.

And marv's been consistent with that since my "supposed to be a response to austin but was more of a post about MMToss" post.

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

September 20 2012 19:04 GMT

#822

I'm back and caught up, though I think I'll have to go through some peoples' previous games. I should be here until the daypost.

Marv's posts about Palmar are making me come around regarding him (Palmar). Marv's posts, as well as Hapa's earlier addition, have pushed him to the scummy side for me. He hasn't done anything overtly scummy, but from what I understand Palmar gives himself away with the quality of his play, and many here feel that he's not playing to his potential. If NMM3 is the source of that lengthy post marv quoted, I'll be taking a look at his filter from that game to get a comparison. My only comparison right now is from DN mafia, where I believe he had three one liners. I'm not sure what was going on there, but I'm pretty sure I can't draw anything from his play that game...

As for Bluelightz, I had considered him earlier, but put him aside in favor of someone who until that time hadn't really contributed anything except self-defense (austin). It did seem strange how easily and apparently pleasantly he removed his vote on mementoss, but I thought that just might be his way. I don't like that he hasn't responded to questions from myself and austin (possibly others) regarding mementoss, especially after this empty post that states that he's going to do exactly that:

On September 20 2012 10:26 Bluelightz wrote:
GOD DAMN prplhz/ -_-.

Reading up on any accusations or shit (like questions D

From what a few people have written, it seems as though this is in relative keeping with his town meta, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, and I'm not necessarily going to take meta arguments in his "defense" at face value. Does Bluelightz have a pretty consistent town meta, and can I understand it better by looking at any of his recent townie games?

mkfuba07

United States1151 Posts

September 20 2012 19:21 GMT

#827

On September 21 2012 03:46 Hapahauli wrote:

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On September 21 2012 02:29 Palmar wrote:
Mementoss is almost certainly town. If I do end up dead tonight you really, really need to take a critical look at the fact that prplhz and I agreed on reads. It's really fucking frustrating that you paint someone scum, then town proceeds to ignore you once you get shot.

Always look at everything said by the people night killed by mafia. Do so critically, but usually there is a reason the people who died, die.

I think marv needs to die tomorrow. If we have a vigilante, the safest targets are HiroPro and perhaps mkfuba07. Generally it's easier to shoot lurkers as they won't be missed. Hapahauli is confirmed town with no action so he should absolutely be protected tonight. However it's probably better that we assume there is a chance BlazingHand and I get protected because that might deter scum from shooting us.

it's very unfortunate prplhz messed up the claim but once he did it I suppose there wasn't anything to do but lynch him. We could've ended up with 2 confirmed townies. I was pretty sure they were both town, especially hapa, but really prplhz too.

The reason I didn't want to switch to austinmcc is that two of my strongest scumreads were already voting for him as I pointed out. Now there's obviously the chance that austin is an SK and I was just being a stubborn asshole, but with hiro and marv both trying to kill him, I saw very little reason to think he might flip scum.

mementoss's interactions with blazinghand during the first moments of the game seem very straightforward and matter of fact. there is no sense of panic as he breaks down the points Blazinhand raised against him. The main reason I think he's town are the two big posts he came up with after I posted the case on marv. In both of them he's genuinely looking at the situation as it is, instead of as he wants it to be.

His addition of mkfuba07 into the mix and the connections between marv and mkfuba is a very valuable addition to the thread, something I would not expect anyone that's scum to pick up on. It proves he's reading the thread with a lot of attention.

Regarding my own meta, marv is using it in the wrong way, obviously. The problem is marv seems to have a lot of time to post, so read everything said and done for it's content, not for who is yelling the loudest.

No. No not really.

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Doesn't look like "very little reason to think he might flip scum" to me.

To make sure I understand, are you pointing out that he admits his own reasoning is sketchy, but sticks with it anyway?