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On September 19 2012 01:57 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is being awful
he should die
he read my alignment correctly in NMM3 and I refuse to believe he'd so arbitrarily get it so wrong here
straight OMGUS, deal with it
Just because he read you in one game correctly means he should always he it right? The only way he would know your alignment for sure would be if he was scum. I don't see any town motivation from this post.. not convinced on the original thoughts against why you would be scum, but the reaction sure has made me think you may be scum. If you are town, get it together man.
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Am I the only one that find MKFubas first post extremely scummy?
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On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from classes.
Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.
Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv?
A good place to start would be who do YOU want to lynch and explain why.
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On September 19 2012 07:20 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh, and Mementoss, would you like my to try to explain why my first post was as... limited as it was? I haven't yet simply because it's really not all that enlightening, and my explanation is unlikely to convince you of anything. But if you'd like an explanation I'm willing to give one.
No I don't particularly care, now that your here your future posts will give me more insight to your alignment.
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I don't find Palmar's case to be pisspoor or terrible at all, I can completely see where he is coming from, in almost all his points. That being said I don't agree with them 100% or am convinced that Marv is scum. I feel like the main part of the marv case is based on this post:
On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 01:33 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 01:32 marvellosity wrote: why do GK and Palmar look town to you, then? Well, goodkarma looks town because he was putting effort into his posts and because he was pushing the right agendas and because he replaced out (sorry, but town replaces out 10 times more than scum). Palmar is looking interested in this game and that's good enough for me for now. You will agree with me that HiroPro's case is not exactly overly convincing. No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier.
I can see marvs logic behind it, but I think he just worded it in a way that seems really scummy. Than the rest of the case is based on marv's emoitions/change of play, but from my experience playing with players like VE I know this emotional case isn't alignment indicative. It also bothers me how players with no opinions at all in the game thus far when Palmar first brought up Marv, were all for voting marv. Before Palmar presented a more polished/convincing case.
That being said there is something I want to point out. The odd connection between MKFuba and Marv all game. They have been buddy buddy from the start, from Marv purposely leaving Fuba out of his lynching useless lurkers discussing, to Marv defending MKFuba, to MKfuba discrediting the case on Marv, to being very VAGUE and calling it interesting, to MKFuba and Marv both trying to push an austinmcc lynch. (With Mkfuba being consistent on it all game, and marv just recently bringing it up)
On September 19 2012 00:07 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 00:04 Mementoss wrote:On September 19 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On September 19 2012 00:00 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 23:56 marvellosity wrote:On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote: @marv:
I don't remember if I've played with Hiro (probably not). Is there some meta play I should be aware of? Otherwise I can't understand why you are pushing a HiroPro lynch when I feel like prplhz is far more scummy.
@iamperfection:
Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you? Because prplhz has at least done *something* and HiroPro hasn't? Wouldn't by the same logic you would have MKFuba in there? On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote: @iamperfection:
Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you? Why did you purposely leave Palmar's name out when you clearly quoted him "defending" iamperfection in the same fashion I did in your own post before? Seen below: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 23:48 Ange777 wrote:@Palmar: Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 22:57 Palmar wrote:On September 18 2012 09:39 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote:On September 18 2012 09:35 Hapahauli wrote:On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote:you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote: P.S the whole point is that iamp's suggestion wasn't random, so we already have a liar. LAL? I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Geebus why are you flipping out? what? " you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on." Seems very unnecessarily critical/harsh/attacking. Like I don't think his case is good either, but that's just over the top and scummy imo. he is a big boy. i dont think he will lose sleep over it. Confirms my post above. No scum would say this. Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points. I commented on fuba already, if you care to read my posts. The point with Hiro is that he posted several times but without any substance whatsoever. I am reading your posts, basically it says, MKFuba is doing the exact same thing as Hiro but I know him IRL so I'll focus on HiroPro, is this not correct? Incorrect, fuba basically hadn't posted AT ALL, whereas Hiro *was* posting, but what he was posting was worthless. How do you not see the distinction?
On September 19 2012 08:03 mkfuba07 wrote:I'm interested in prplhz at the moment. His entire perogative seems to be sharing town reads while inserting witty side comments. Just when he made me think he was going to start contributing more he posts a pointless list of town reads and then votes for marv. Aside from vague assertions of Ange's suspiciousness earlier, and now a weak argument against marv, all prplhz has given us are town reads, which won't catch scum unless he can find all 9 (or however many) of us. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 07:55 prplhz wrote:On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from classes.
Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake.
Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv? Why do you want to know that? I mentioned Ange777 very briefly and right now a lot of shit with marvellosity is going down and then you ask a relatively irrelevant question. What makes you want to know about my opinion on Ange777 so much that you ignore everything else in the thread? I mention Ange because before marv, she was your only "scumread" as far as I can tell. I put it in quotes because I'm not even sure how you felt about her in the first place, aside from the fact that she "looked terrible" and that you wanted to kill her for unknown reasons. I wanted to know what you currently think of her because she's the only person I've seen you be suspicious of aside from marv.
On September 19 2012 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm going to look through marv's filter now, but from what I can tell the case against him is that he found an argument interesting and he got mad at something he found stupid. I feel like both things are consistent with what I know of him.
-Never comments again after supposedly going through his filter.
-Now the recent sheep from marv from hiropro onto austin without much real reason to.
I know connections don't mean anything before flips. And I know mkfuba and marv know eachother IRL. But I thought it was something important to point out.
That being said MKfuba seems scum, and if I had more time I would be doing a fully fledged case on him. I would also be really happy with his lynch.
Also more to note, this "divided town" thing how is it bad? It seems to me that we caught scum very early in the day 1, and scum is scrambling to put cases on everyone else to get the attention away from prplhz, the votes haven't been coming easy on prplhz despite him being the main discussion of day 1. Hell, he hasn't even reached majority yet this game. He's also had his share of people call him or his posting townie, yet prplhz hasn't really came back to scumhunt.
Im outtie till later. Will be back before deadline, may come in for some quick comments before that too.
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On September 20 2012 00:02 austinmcc wrote:*snip* So here's the thing. I don't get the feeling like mementoss is scumhunting. Not in the way that people should be getting that feeling about me, or others that have lurked. I get the feeling like he's been trying to show that he's scumhunting, but that his reactions are entirely wrong for someone who is doing so. - His reaction to my TOO obvious post was to tell me not to be wishy-washy. When everyone else's reaction was "austinmcc scum." He then later notes that he applied pressure with his comments.
- He pokes at mkfuba, but when mkfuba responds with a nothingpost, mementoss doesn't care at all.
- He engages marv in discussion, after something weird, but seems to draw no conclusion from the discussion, ending at his starting point
- He voted prplhz based partially on BH's case (fine) and partially on prplhz asking who mkfuba was (not a scummy contradiction, NOT fine)
I know that it's shitty to be gone, throw out someone new, vote them, try to switch votes, blah blah. But mementoss is the most scummy person to me. I'd rather vote someone scummy than sheep, although prplhz isn't a pure sheep, he doesn't look great and I was really worried about something Zephirdd mentioned, that mini where he got pinned on D1, claimed cop, and then just sat back all game. Still...mementoss scummier. ##Unvote##Vote: Mementoss
Hapa, you had previous concerns over mementoss. They seem to still be around. How do you feel about his reactions to my TOO obvious post and mkfuba's weird post? marv and palmar, you guys both found me SCUMMY based on that TOO obvious post. How do you feel about mementoss's reaction? Was he just calmer about it, or does it actually feel like he responded in an entirely different way than a town mindset player would? Other folks. Has mementoss done a thing you're happy with? Contributed something you're happy with?
I have a little time, should I guess I should address your main points:
- I was the first person that I recall pointing out how awkward that first post was, I didn't specifically say it was scummy, but said everything that indicated I thought so. I was looking for another response post from you to see what I could get from there. It eventually came, but it was far later and I didn't get to follow up because I was defending myself at the time. As marv mentioned I didn't say I super pressured you, just applied some to get something out of you.
-MKfuba I couldn't care less about what excuse he has for his shitty first post. He could literally post anything, it wouldn't do anything to change my mind or do anything at all. So I wanted him to scum hunt, to see if it was going to be genuine or just a forced sheep attempt. Don't have time to elaborate more on this/him atm.
- As I noted, in that post, I didn't really have a conclusion I was just bringing it up while it was in my mind, as it may be useful later, and I'm just gunna post what I see. I don't have an overarching masterplan I just post what I see when I see it.
- I voted based on the fact that my gut feeling on prplhz first post was scummy after I found his lie, and just the way it was worded. BH brought more supplemental evidence to show that prplhz meta matched. As the game wore on prplhz has been posting and has had scummy posts, since a majority of the early discussion was on him anyways, I was happy to read/respond/discuss what was going on in the thread so that day 1 wouldn't be a tunnel fest. I'm not going to harp on one player all game when I am already voting him. I think Ange summed up the more recent prplhz scummy posts, and as a whole the scumminess this game. I agree with what she said.
It seems like your just trying to make non-scummy things and force them to look scummy.
While I got your attention, why don't you answer this... How do you go from voting Prplhz, to saying I would like BL to be lynched to making a case on me within an hour.
On September 19 2012 22:41 austinmcc wrote: I have been absent. I am getting this vote into thread because the deadline is coming. I like it better than the other options that MIGHT be legitimate at this point, which seem to be ... just marv?
##Vote: prplhz
I think I'd much rather lynch bluelightz, unless there's been any action on that front, but I don't believe that's going to happen.
Its not just that you'd rather lynch bluelightz youd MUCH rather. Yet you don't even explain why you think he's scummy or attempt to convince anyone he is scum. Then you spend time making a case on me. What happened to BL, if you'd much rather lynch him why was there no case on him? This time-line makes no sense to me, it makes it seem like your just making up targets as you go, and you don't really care who gets lynched. On that note, where the fuck is bluelightz anyways, or perfection, or HiroPro.
Also, why do people keep saying they think prphlz is town without explaining it? All they say is, look big post, big post = cares, cares=town. It makes no sense. And the fact that several people have been doing it, is very strange. The way this prphlz lynch has been going down all day, makes me think he is scum for sure.
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On September 20 2012 01:06 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote mementoss
I'll re-iterate what I said before. Mementoss voted for prplhz early in the game. He never once questioned prplhz, and hasn't mentioned him for well over 24 hours while having his vote on him. This makes no sense from a townie perspective.
As for prplhz, I have a townie read on him. Too many people are sheeping his case. Things are coming together too easily. Finally, I don't agree with Ange's case. Ange reads his posts as "useless fluff", and therefore he's scum. I read his posts completely differently, and see a townie who's being open with his suspicions.
For example, look how he voted marv, and explicitly stated he had reservations about it. That's not scum behavior. Voting for someone you don't believe is scum = scum behavior. Voting someone while expressing reservations is a cautious townie. What's the point of including that reservations line as scum? It's just as easy to sheep and tunnel marv without any reservations.
To me, his "reservations" say that he's open about his reads and mentality. I believe prplhz is town.
Please take a look at mementoss's filter. There's nothing townie about it. He seemingly forgot about his suspicions prplhz and has been trying to point fingers since. Like read his filter, he never has a definite scumread and has been fanning the flames of several cases made through the day; astinmcc, mkfuba, and most recently marv.
And by too many people are sheeping his case you mean he never reached majority so was never in danger of actually being lynched right?
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EBWOP: @ Hapa if you read my last post before my defence post, I mention that I still maintain that I think prphlz is scum and the way the lynch is going makes me think he is scum even more.
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On September 20 2012 01:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv.##vote: prplhzBlazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:21 Mementoss wrote:On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler +On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys
please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read
there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 06:08 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 06:07 Mementoss wrote: I think day one should be discussing what da bands name is gunna be name my band ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8f6HH.png) Hey mementoss can you explain the bolded part, thanks.
Just a reference to this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=85#1685
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The fact that hapa has based a scum read on me twice this game based heavily on false information kinda makes me think he is pushing too hard for the mislynch on me. I can't go through his whole filter right now, but I would reccomend looking into his filter and I will dig into it later. His play doesn't seem to resemble his play in deathnote as far as I recall. Could very well be scum.
As for the prplhz defense, I'm less sure now than I was before. Will have to re-read when I get home.
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I am here now off of work
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are we seriously going to let a no lynch happen
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On September 20 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 05:39 Mementoss wrote: are we seriously going to let a no lynch happen thanks for this, very helpful
cool I'd like to point out 3/6 pages of your unhelpful filter right now but I won't
also this lol
+ Show Spoiler +On September 17 2012 20:58 marvellosity wrote: Before this starts - gonna try to be somewhat less posty and more thinky this game. Let's see if I succeed. you failed.
At least we have the 7 votes now for the first time since the start of the game. The resistance on this lynch has been incredible all cycle.
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The perfect plan gone wrong they mixed up their fake claims
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On September 20 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: No, I'm freggin claiming mason because prplhz is going to flip mason 100%
Well why did you wait for 6 minutes before the lynch than. It woulda been helpful maybe 4 hours ago.
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On September 20 2012 05:59 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:On September 20 2012 05:58 Hapahauli wrote: Just wait 2 minutes BH. Just wait. Nice try, but I'm not unvoting, and neither is anyone else unless they want to raise my ire. Prplhz today, you tomorrow. Don't listen to him, this is what scum is saying to try to make us doubt. C9++ rolls...2 or 3 scum right? You're saying they either out their ENTIRE team or 2/3 of it to save one?
could be 2 scum 1 SK
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On September 20 2012 06:01 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +Goon: You are a Rocker! You're smarter than the rest of these fools, and you know that a successful band doesn't have 13 people in it. That's just stupid. All those guys on MTV? How many people are in their bands? Four. Unfortunately, Tommy's mom won't let him join your band, so there's only three of you, but three is better than 13, right? The only reason you're here is to gain exposure by touring with da Band for a while, but really you just want the rest of them gone so everyone can see your style. You're gonna make it big some day. for those who missed it
OP also says role PM's could change slightly
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vote for worst claim in history both timing and context.
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